Yes, back to the people are devils position. I'm still waiting for the disclosure of the cult that teaches such things btw.
You had better reread my post.
I never said people are devils.
Sinners are the children of the devil, according to 1 John 3:10.
And perhaps you can point me to a single scripture that says children of the devil get saved? Just to save time, there are none.
Your citing would be an untruth, and is not written anywhere in God's word.
But doesn't the OP's doctrine say it is so ?
There is no scripture nor is there a single named person as an example who made themselves sinless by any actions of mind or body. Again, what cult is teaching these positions?
Here are three, from Romans 6...
“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom. 6:6-7)
"Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." (Rom 6:18)
"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Rom 6:22)
Well of course you claim yourself better than your devil's children neighbors. Who are you kidding?
Though I have never said it in those words, I agree with the notion.
How can a liar, or thief be "better" than a child of God ?
The whole idea, though, requires a more distinct definition of "better".
Yes, we have untold millions of Jews who were complete failures, but that changed in the N.T? Unlikely. We're still sinners, regardless.
Yes, it did change, as we can now crucify the old man/self, and be raised with Christ to walk in newness of life !
We can now be reborn of God's seed, and become new creatures.
Before Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection, no man could walk in, and after, the Spirit all the time.
It was all made possible by water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sin.
What most still utterly fail to do is to simply tell the truth about it.
Sinners have no compunction about admitting they are sinners.
That's what being in Spirit and Truth is. The Spirit loves all our neighbors. The TRUTH is that we're all sinners.
I agree with your characterization of the word Spirit, but your definition of truth is too general.
Jesus said..."And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." (John 8:32-34)
Admitting one is a sinner is only profitable if it is followed by a real, true, repentance from sin.
That's pretty funny, really. Yes, honesty is not a virtue with phony religious positions.
Take that saying to heart.
I've really had my fill of our exchanges. We've pretty well wrenched out some crucial a critical positional differences. I'm really astounded that any positions can think they legitimately land where your presentations are.
Anyone sorry for hurting himself and others wants a way out of that life.
That kind of sorrow worketh repentance unto salvation.
But acknowledgement of one's sin without that "turn", is only the world's sorrow, and worketh death.
Just as 2 Cor 7:10 says..."For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death."
The last thing I'd expect from those positions is anyone who actually loves their neighbors as themselves, yet simultaneously claiming to be legally obedient. It's actually quite funny
They are the same thing !
"Lovers" don't sin, and "sinners" don't love !
Sadly, the OP's doctrine makes no difference between the two.
