What is Christ's rest?

SabbathBlessings · Sunday at 11:37 AM

Christ said:

Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am [a]gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Many believe and teach Christ's rest some how relieves our moral obligation to obey the Sabbath commandment, but is this what Jesus is teaching?

Jesus said this and still kept the Sabbath going to church reading God's word Luke 4:16 as the apostles did following in His footsteps keeping every Sabbath in the same manner decades after the Cross Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 as the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3 and we see that continuing on in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:22-23

So what rest is Christ referring to?

Psa 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.

The rest Jesus is giving us when we come to Him is rest from our sins. Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins Heb 10:26-30

Sin is:
1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:11-12 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. quoting and contrasting directly from the Ten Commandments breaking one we break them all
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”
Rom 14:23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

We also see this play out in the last days

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Compared to the antidote found in the next verse

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

If we understand Christ rest, it will help us understand Hebrews 4 much better as it is speaking of two rests, not one.

We are invited to enter into Christ rest, just like the Israelites, Heb 4:1 but many didn't enter due to disobedience (sin) even through the same gospel was preached Heb 4:6

Why the Holy Spirit is calling us "TODAY" to come our of our rebellion (sin) and enter His rest quoting directly from Psa 95

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Why there is another day spoken of, which is TODAY God is calling us from our sins and come unto Him and He will give us rest from the burdens of sin but we need to enter through faith Heb 4:2

What did the Israelites disobey during their trial of the wilderness that led them to not enter into Christ rest

Eze 22:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Why the next verse says there remains a Sabbath-rest for the people of God Heb 4:9 and the Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 because breaking God's law is sin 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12

The next verse clearly shows these two rests

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also (in addition) ceased from his works as God did from His.

God ceased from His works on the seventh day, Heb 4:4 Gen 2:1-3 just like God commanded us to Exo 20:8-11 as we were made in His image and likeness so to enter His rest one also ceases from work on the seventh day Sabbath. Exo 20:10

Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience

We don't want to follow the same mistakes of the Israelites who sinned and never entered their rest in Canaan, which is a type of heaven. The same applies to us to enter in Heaven Rev 22:14

12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

In Christ rest no one is in rebellion or breaking God's law, why there is just peace
Isa 48:18
Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Jesus is coming soon and we need to come out of our rebellion to Him and obey Him and His commandments, His version, God’s own personal Testimony Exo 31:18 written personally by God, His law and will Psa 40:8, It’s why we see the ark of the covenant, which holds God’s personal Testimony, the Ten Commandments written and spoken by the God of the Universe revealed at the last Trumpet before Jesus comes in all His Glory Rev 11:19 as it is the standard of what God will judge all man 2 Cor 5:10 James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 11:18-19 Rev 22:14-15 and removing anything God covers under His mercy seat which below sits God’s Testimony His Ten Commandments, laying it aside as to say its not for me, I do not believe that's going to work out so well as Jesus taught plainly Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

So lets be willing to forsake our sins Pro 28:13 and come to Jesus, He will give us rest.

guevaraj · Sunday at 1:07 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
it is speaking of two rests, not one.

Sister, where does the passage speak of "two rests", a second rest distinct from God's rest on the seventh day of creation?

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)

You are adding a second rest to the above passage because you are not aware of how Joshua was prevented from entering the seventh-day Sabbath of creation with the manna, when keeping the seventh day of the week near Jerusalem is half a day too late to enter the Sabbath in Jerusalem. The days of the week during the 40 years in the wilderness were from morning to morning, as revealed in the following passage, where they are given two portions of manna the day before, because there will be no manna tomorrow. Importantly, the bad news, that there will be no quail tomorrow if the next day begins in the evening, is not mentioned, because they will eat quail in the evening before manna is the first thing they will not eat the next day. The omission of the quail clearly shows the days of the week that begin in the morning.

On the sixth day, they gathered twice as much as usual—four quarts for each person instead of two. Then all the leaders of the community came and asked Moses for an explanation. He told them, “This is what the LORD commanded: Tomorrow will be a day of complete rest, a holy Sabbath day set apart for the LORD. So bake or boil as much as you want today, and set aside what is left for tomorrow.” So they put some aside until morning, just as Moses had commanded. And in the morning the leftover food was wholesome and good, without maggots or odor. Moses said, “Eat this food today, for today is a Sabbath day dedicated to the LORD. There will be no food on the ground today. (Exodus 16:22-25 NLT)

The order given above with the manna of “day” before “night” since creation is verified in the following passage where the previous "night" is the previous day and the next "night" to come is part of the current day.

The next ~~morning~~/day the older daughter said to her younger sister, “I had sex with our father last night. Let’s get him drunk with wine again tonight, and you go in and have sex with him. That way we will preserve our family line through our father.” (Genesis 19:34 NLT fixed)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Clare73 · Sunday at 2:29 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
Christ said:

Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am [a]gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Many believe and teach Christ's rest some how relieves our moral obligation to obey the Sabbath commandment, but is this what Jesus is teaching?
Jesus said this and still kept the Sabbath going to church reading God's word Luke 4:16 as the apostles did following in His footsteps keeping every Sabbath in the same manner decades after the Cross Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 as the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3 and we see that continuing on in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:22-23
So what rest is Christ referring to?

Psa 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.

The rest Jesus is giving us when we come to Him is rest from our sins. Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins Heb 10:26-30

Sin is:
1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:11-12 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. quoting and contrasting directly from the Ten Commandments breaking one we break them all
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”
Rom 14:23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

We also see this play out in the last days

Rev 14:13 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Compared to the antidote
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

If we understand Christ rest, it will help us understand Hebrews 4 much better as it is speaking of two rests, not one.

We are invited to enter into Christ rest, just like the Israelites, Heb 4:1 but many didn't enter due to disobedience (sin) even through the same gospel was preached Heb 4:6

Why the Holy Spirit is calling us "TODAY" to come our of our rebellion (sin) and enter His rest quoting directly from Psa 95

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Why there is another day spoken of, which is TODAY God is calling us from our sins and come unto Him and He will give us rest from the burdens of sin but we need to enter in through faith Heb 4:2

What did the Israelites disobey during their trial of the wilderness that led them to not enter into Christ rest

Eze 22:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Why the next verse says there remains a Sabbath-rest for the people of God Heb 4:9 and the Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 because breaking God's law is sin 1 John 3:4

The next verse clearly shows these two rests

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

God ceased from His works on the seventh day, Heb 4:4 Gen 2:1-3 just like God commanded us to Exo 20:8-11 as we were made in His image and likeness

Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience

We don't want to follow the same mistakes of the Israelites who sinned and never entered their rest in Canaan, which is a type of heaven

12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

In Christ rest no one is in rebellion or breaking God's law, why there is just peace
Isa 48:18
Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Jesus is coming soon and we need to come out of our rebellion to Him and obey Him and His commandments, His version, God’s own personal Testimony Exo 31:18 written personally by God, His law and will, It’s why we see the ark of the covenant, which holds God’s personal Testimony, the Ten Commandments written and spoken by the God of the Universe revealed at the last Trumpet before Jesus comes in all His Glory Rev 11:19 as it is the standard of what God will judge all man 2 Cor 5:10 James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 11:18-19 Rev 22:14-15 and removing anything God covers under His mercy seat which below sits God’s Testimony His Ten Commandments, laying it aside as to say its not for me, I do not believe that's going to work out so well as Jesus taught plainly Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

Jesus would have obeyed the OT Sabbath, just he obeyed all the ceremonial laws; e.g., defilement, cleansing, etc.

SabbathBlessings · Sunday at 2:38 PM

Clare73 said:
Jesus would have obeyed the OT Sabbath, just he obeyed all the ceremonial laws; e.g., defilement, cleansing, etc.

According to Scripture, the NT Sabbath is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 Exo 20:8-11. Jesus kept the same Sabbath in the commandment, the one He wrote and He spoke as He always led by example, our example to follow. Heb 4:15 1 Peter 2:21-22 1 John 2:6 John 15:10 The Ten Commandments is in His heavenly temple unedited Exo 31:18 Heb 8:1-5 Rev 11:19 and what all man will be judged by regardless if we accept this or not. Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15 Rev 11:18-19

A Christian means to be a follower of Christ. John 15:10 1 John 2:6, there is no other way John 15:6

Clare73 · Sunday at 2:49 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
According to Scripture, the NT Sabbath is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 Exo 20:8-11. Jesus kept the same Sabbath

Jesus was born, lived, preached and died under the Old Covenant law.

Christ rested on the Sabbath according to the Old Covenant law.

SabbathBlessings · Sunday at 2:59 PM

Clare73 said:
Jesus was born, lived, preached and died under the Old Covenant law.

Christ rested on the Sabbath according to the Old Covenant law.

Sort of hard to be a follow of Christ if we are to dismiss everything He taught and lived. The Sabbath in the NT is still according to the commandment Luke 23:56 I am going to take the word of Christ’s close followers over the teachings of people who weren‘t there, as they were followers of Christ, followed Him everywhere so would know how to keep His Sabbath since Jesus was their example and is supposed to be ours. 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15

Sin is still breaking God‘s law quoting from the same Ten Commandments Rom 7:7 1 John 3:4 Breaking one we become a transgressor of God’s law. James 2:11-12 and thats not how one is saved as Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21, not in them. Heb 10:26-30 It really comes down to believing what Jesus taught and lived. If we abide in Him we will keep His commandments John 15:10 the same ones, following in His example 1 John 2:6 as there is no other way John 15:5-6 Its why the Holy Spirit is calling us today if we hear His voice, not to harden our hearts in rebellion. Heb 3:7-8

Clare73 · Sunday at 4:17 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
Sort of hard to be a follower of Christ

Christ followed the ceremonial laws. . .do you follow Christ?

SabbathBlessings · Sunday at 4:25 PM

Clare73 said:
Christ followed the ceremonial laws. . .do you follow Christ?

Where did Jesus ever make one animal sacrifice? Why would anyone make an animal sacrifice when Jesus sacrificed Himself so we no longer bring an animal sacrifice when we sin . Heb 10:1-22 Heb 9:10-15, we go directly to Him when we are sorry for sinning, repent and change directions. Sin being the same, transgressing of God's law 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:11-12

Still doesn't change anything about the Sabbath Luke 23:56 Acts 18:4 Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 etc

Clare73 · Sunday at 4:28 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
Where did Jesus every make one animal sacrifice?

Where did Joseph, Matthew, Mark, John ever make one animal sacrifice?

So, do you follow Christ in his obedience to the ceremonial defilement and cleansing laws?

I didn't think so. . .

Selective "obedience".

Leaf473 · Monday at 6:28 AM

Jesus also kept the feast of tabernacles

If we keep the convocation but not the feast, what does that say about us?

JesusFollowerForever · Monday at 2:36 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
Christ said:

Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am [a]gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Many believe and teach Christ's rest some how relieves our moral obligation to obey the Sabbath commandment, but is this what Jesus is teaching?

Jesus said this and still kept the Sabbath going to church reading God's word Luke 4:16 as the apostles did following in His footsteps keeping every Sabbath in the same manner decades after the Cross Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 as the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3 and we see that continuing on in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:22-23

So what rest is Christ referring to?

Psa 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.

The rest Jesus is giving us when we come to Him is rest from our sins. Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins Heb 10:26-30

Sin is:
1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:11-12 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. quoting and contrasting directly from the Ten Commandments breaking one we break them all
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”
Rom 14:23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

We also see this play out in the last days

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Compared to the antidote found in the next verse

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

If we understand Christ rest, it will help us understand Hebrews 4 much better as it is speaking of two rests, not one.

We are invited to enter into Christ rest, just like the Israelites, Heb 4:1 but many didn't enter due to disobedience (sin) even through the same gospel was preached Heb 4:6

Why the Holy Spirit is calling us "TODAY" to come our of our rebellion (sin) and enter His rest quoting directly from Psa 95

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Why there is another day spoken of, which is TODAY God is calling us from our sins and come unto Him and He will give us rest from the burdens of sin but we need to enter through faith Heb 4:2

What did the Israelites disobey during their trial of the wilderness that led them to not enter into Christ rest

Eze 22:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Why the next verse says there remains a Sabbath-rest for the people of God Heb 4:9 and the Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 because breaking God's law is sin 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12

The next verse clearly shows these two rests

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also (in addition) ceased from his works as God did from His.

God ceased from His works on the seventh day, Heb 4:4 Gen 2:1-3 just like God commanded us to Exo 20:8-11 as we were made in His image and likeness so to enter His rest one also ceases from work on the seventh day Sabbath. Exo 20:10

Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience

We don't want to follow the same mistakes of the Israelites who sinned and never entered their rest in Canaan, which is a type of heaven. The same applies to us to enter in Heaven Rev 22:14

12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

In Christ rest no one is in rebellion or breaking God's law, why there is just peace
Isa 48:18
Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Jesus is coming soon and we need to come out of our rebellion to Him and obey Him and His commandments, His version, God’s own personal Testimony Exo 31:18 written personally by God, His law and will Psa 40:8, It’s why we see the ark of the covenant, which holds God’s personal Testimony, the Ten Commandments written and spoken by the God of the Universe revealed at the last Trumpet before Jesus comes in all His Glory Rev 11:19 as it is the standard of what God will judge all man 2 Cor 5:10 James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 11:18-19 Rev 22:14-15 and removing anything God covers under His mercy seat which below sits God’s Testimony His Ten Commandments, laying it aside as to say its not for me, I do not believe that's going to work out so well as Jesus taught plainly Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

So lets be willing to forsake our sins Pro 28:13 and come to Jesus, He will give us rest.

To me, as understood from scripture, Jesus clearly spoke of two different kinds of rest, and He never said that one replaced the other and neither did his disciples. Christ’s rest, as He described in Matthew 11:28–30, is a daily spiritual rest, a rest for the soul. It is the peace and relief that come from trusting Him, learning from Him, and walking in His gentle and humble way. This rest has no connection to a specific day. It is always available for those who come to Him with heavy hearts and burdens.

“Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart,

and you will find rest for your souls.

For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”Matthew 11:28–30

It is a call for us his followers to rely on him totally. this rest is also spoken of by the prophets; Jeremiah 6:16, Isaiah 28:12

Blessings.

SabbathBlessings · Monday at 2:53 PM

JesusFollowerForever said:
To me, as understood from scripture, Jesus clearly spoke of two different kinds of rest, and He never said that one replaced the other and neither did his disciples. Christ’s rest, as He described in Matthew 11:28–30, is a daily spiritual rest, a rest for the soul. It is the peace and relief that come from trusting Him, learning from Him, and walking in His gentle and humble way. This rest has no connection to a specific day. It is always available for those who come to Him with heavy hearts and burdens.

“Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart,
and you will find rest for your souls.
For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”Matthew 11:28–30

It is a call for us his followers to rely on him totally. this rest is also spoken of by the prophets; Jeremiah 6:16, Isaiah 28:12

The seventh-day Sabbath, on the other hand, is a weekly physical rest commanded by God from creation. In Genesis 2:2–3, God rested on the seventh day and made it holy. In the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:8–11), He commanded us to remember that day and keep it holy by resting from our work. Jesus confirmed this when He said, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27–28). This shows that the Sabbath was made as a gift for all people, not just for Israel, and that Jesus still claimed authority over it.

These two mentioned rests are not the same. One is a gift of spiritual healing that Jesus gives every day. The other is a gift of physical and spiritual renewal once a week. Both come from God, but they serve different purposes. Jesus never told anyone to stop keeping the Sabbath. Instead, He showed the true way to keep it, with mercy, healing, and love not by burdening it with human rules. One is not a replacement for the other and in my opinion they must not be confused.

Blessings.

Brother, they are all connected. If we are resting in Christ is anyone sinning? How can anyone find rest, when sinning? We are still in bondage when we sin. Rom 6:16 1 John 3:8 If we are receiving Christ’s spiritual rest, no one is sinning. It’s what Heb 3 and Heb 4 is really about, hearing His voice, coming out of our rebellion to Him, submitting to His will, which our soul finds rest. Isa 48:18

It seems to me, Christ is responding to this.

Psa 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.

“Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart,
and you will find rest for your souls.
For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”Matthew 11:28–30

JesusFollowerForever · Monday at 3:25 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
Brother, they are all connected. If we are resting in Christ is anyone sinning? How can anyone find rest, when sinning? We are still in bondage when we sin. Rom 6:16 1 John 3:8 If we are receiving Christ’s spiritual rest, no one is sinning. It’s what Heb 3 and Heb 4 is really about, hearing His voice, coming out of our rebellion to Him, submitting to His will, which our soul finds rest. Isa 48:18

It seems to me, Christ is responding to this.

Psa 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.

“Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart,
and you will find rest for your souls.
For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”Matthew 11:28–30

I will verify a few things, I probably misunderstood, Ill get back you you.

Blessings.

SabbathBlessings · Monday at 3:26 PM

JesusFollowerForever said:
I will verify a few things, I probably misunderstood, Ill get back you you.

Blessings.

Looking forward to it!

Blessings.

DamianWarS · Tuesday at 12:37 AM

SabbathBlessings said:
Christ said:

Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am [a]gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Many believe and teach Christ's rest some how relieves our moral obligation to obey the Sabbath commandment, but is this what Jesus is teaching?

Jesus said this and still kept the Sabbath going to church reading God's word Luke 4:16 as the apostles did following in His footsteps keeping every Sabbath in the same manner decades after the Cross Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 as the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3 and we see that continuing on in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:22-23

So what rest is Christ referring to?

Psa 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.

The rest Jesus is giving us when we come to Him is rest from our sins. Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins Heb 10:26-30

Sin is:
1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:11-12 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. quoting and contrasting directly from the Ten Commandments breaking one we break them all
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”
Rom 14:23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

We also see this play out in the last days

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Compared to the antidote found in the next verse

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

If we understand Christ rest, it will help us understand Hebrews 4 much better as it is speaking of two rests, not one.

We are invited to enter into Christ rest, just like the Israelites, Heb 4:1 but many didn't enter due to disobedience (sin) even through the same gospel was preached Heb 4:6

Why the Holy Spirit is calling us "TODAY" to come our of our rebellion (sin) and enter His rest quoting directly from Psa 95

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Why there is another day spoken of, which is TODAY God is calling us from our sins and come unto Him and He will give us rest from the burdens of sin but we need to enter through faith Heb 4:2

What did the Israelites disobey during their trial of the wilderness that led them to not enter into Christ rest

Eze 22:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Why the next verse says there remains a Sabbath-rest for the people of God Heb 4:9 and the Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 because breaking God's law is sin 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12

The next verse clearly shows these two rests

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also (in addition) ceased from his works as God did from His.

God ceased from His works on the seventh day, Heb 4:4 Gen 2:1-3 just like God commanded us to Exo 20:8-11 as we were made in His image and likeness so to enter His rest one also ceases from work on the seventh day Sabbath. Exo 20:10

Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience

We don't want to follow the same mistakes of the Israelites who sinned and never entered their rest in Canaan, which is a type of heaven. The same applies to us to enter in Heaven Rev 22:14

12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

In Christ rest no one is in rebellion or breaking God's law, why there is just peace
Isa 48:18
Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Jesus is coming soon and we need to come out of our rebellion to Him and obey Him and His commandments, His version, God’s own personal Testimony Exo 31:18 written personally by God, His law and will Psa 40:8, It’s why we see the ark of the covenant, which holds God’s personal Testimony, the Ten Commandments written and spoken by the God of the Universe revealed at the last Trumpet before Jesus comes in all His Glory Rev 11:19 as it is the standard of what God will judge all man 2 Cor 5:10 James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 11:18-19 Rev 22:14-15 and removing anything God covers under His mercy seat which below sits God’s Testimony His Ten Commandments, laying it aside as to say its not for me, I do not believe that's going to work out so well as Jesus taught plainly Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

So lets be willing to forsake our sins Pro 28:13 and come to Jesus, He will give us rest.

Jesus shows a better way keeping law, which NT authors teach. That better way is by keeping what is commonly known as "Christ's law" or the "Royal law". by keeping this one law, all law is fulfilled. this is the teaching of the NT, and based on this, no law is broken; there is only lawful practice (this includes lawful sabbath practice)

We ourselves are unable to keep the sabbath day holy because a requirement of keeping the 7th day is ceasing work upon the onset of completed work, as Gen 2:1-2 shows us. there is no resting work when the work is not yet finished, so although we may keep a practice of ceremonial rest on the sabbath, that ceremonial rest does not accomplish spiritual rest it can only point to it which is it's purpose.

It is Christ that has come and finished the work, and it is only Christ that has the authority to gives us that rest as he is the Lord of the Sabbath. In the 4th commandment, it is not just us that rest, but slaves and animals too. Animals (or anyone under authority), have no authority to rest and can not take the rest themselves. They can only rest when they are given rest. not just by anyone, but by one with authority.

This is a powerful salvation metaphor and it is Christ who has the authority to give us this rest that Sabbath ultimately speaks of, a rest we cannot take for ourselves or keep holy, regardless of our repeated attempts try. Christ has completed the work and he has authority to give the rest, thus, we must go through Christ in order to keep the Sabbath holy and to be recipients of its rest which again points to Christ's law as its lawful practice.

SabbathBlessings · Tuesday at 4:47 AM

DamianWarS said:
Jesus shows a better way keeping law, which NT authors teach. That better way is by keeping what is commonly known as "Christ's law" or the "Royal law". by keeping this one law, all law is fulfilled. this is the teaching of the NT, and based on this, no law is broken; there is only lawful practice (this includes lawful sabbath practice)

Jesus prophesied that He would magnify His law Isa 42:21 so we see this play out in the teachings of Jesus and what that looks like.

Jesus said if we break the commandment of thou shalt not murder one would be in fear of the Judgement. Mat 5:21 Notice how He did not say, not to keep the commandment and one would be in fear of Judgement if doing so, but He went on to explain the real intent behind this commandment, which is a change of our heart. If our heart is changed by Jesus, we would never get to the point of breaking the commandment because thoughts of anger and contempt turn into compassion and love and thou shalt not murder would automatically be kept. This is what Jesus was teaching, not that one can literally break any of the commandments, He made this point clear by saying not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments, which of course includes the Sabbath commandment and in doing so one would be least in heaven and if reading the next verse I do not mean that means one will be there Mat 5:19-20

Regarding the Royal Law they come directly from the Ten Commandments. Paul called it the summary, the Royal Law of course includes both the Greatest Commandments to love God and love man, but quoting one of the greatest commandments we know they mean both. Just like when quoting from one of the Ten Commandments, we know they came in a unit of Ten Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 as this is also demonstrated in what James said:

James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
Rom 13:9 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [a]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

And if you keep reading James clearly shows when we break one of the "He said" which James is quoting God in the Ten Commandments, we break them all and become a transgressor of the law which means we are sinning.

James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. Which is sin 1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

And what we will be Judged by

Janes 2:12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Why we see God's personal Testimony, the Ten Commandments Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13 at the last trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ Rev 11:18-19

DamianWarS said:
We ourselves are unable to keep the sabbath day holy because a requirement of keeping the 7th day is ceasing work upon the onset of completed work, as Gen 2:1-2 shows us. there is no resting work when the work is not yet finished, so although we may keep a practice of ceremonial rest on the sabbath, that ceremonial rest does not accomplish spiritual rest it can only point to it which is it's purpose.

This is in direct contradiction to what God said. God's creative work was finished at Creation

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

I believe we should serve the God of the Bible and the Creator of the Universe and what He said plainly and trust He would not give a commandment, without giving us the power to keep through Him. Its all about choices Rom 6:16

God said and personally wrote:

Exo 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

We see lots of examples of how to do this in Scripture, God told us to keep the Sabbath about Him, Isa 58:13 He gives us 6 days to do all thy works and labors Exo 20:9 and only asks for one day back dedicated to Him and sad man rebels against the blessing God is trying to give Isa 56:1-6 and a sign of His sanctification Eze 20:12

There is no stipulation that we had to wait until there is no work. The commandment is NOT TO WORK on the seventh day, so we can keep it holy.

10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

And not understanding this, I do not believe is wise as it never worked out for anyone who didn't. God does not show favoritism and it as never okay to disobey God and still isn't today. 1 John 2:3-4 Rom 7:23

Eze 22:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Eze 22:26 26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

The weekly Sabbath is a commandment of God and God said it is doing what is just and doing righteousness Isa 56:1-2 which is the foundation of God's Throne Psa 89:14 and no one is receiving Christ spiritual rest when they lay aside one of God's commandments as if to tell God, that's not for me, Jesus said that is worshipping Him in vain and our heart is far from Him Mark 7:7-13 Mark 15:3-14 why He sends His Holy Spirit daily i.e. Today if we hear His voice to come our of our rebellion to Him and not to harden our hearts Heb 3:7-8, because in Christ's rest, no one is sinning, which includes breaking the 4th commandment and the whole point of rest is not be in the bondage of sin Psa 38:3 Isa 48:18

Leaf473 · Tuesday at 6:59 AM

I will pour water on the one who is thirsty,
and streams on the dry ground.
I will pour my Spirit on your descendants,
and my blessing on your offspring;
4 and they will spring up among the grass,
as willows by the watercourses Isaiah 44

Our thirst is not quenched by keeping rituals

A person can do it, if they wish. There is no harm, as long as they doesn't believe rituals make them more righteous

JesusFollowerForever · Tuesday at 7:05 AM

SabbathBlessings said:
Looking forward to it!

Blessings.

This topic is much more complicated than I Imagined I will have to dig deeper....

SabbathBlessings · Tuesday at 7:06 AM

The Sabbath is not a ritual, it is one of God's commandments, thus saith the Lord Exo 20:8-11 Exo 20:6 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28. Those who want to claim the Sabbath is a ritual or ceremonial so therefore we do not need to keep, and can lay aside the commandment of God, meaning its not for me, Jesus addresses this plainly Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 and to say it is not part of God's moral law that is God's own Testimony Exo 31:18, is not an argument one is making with man, but with God.

Christ is in His Words said keeping the Sabbath is just and doing righteousness Isa 56:1-2 which is the foundation of His Throne. Psa 89:14. Sounds moral to me. Best to listen to the voice of God telling us to obey Him, than the other voice telling us something different. But we are given free will and this disagreement will soon come to a close and all will get sorted out once Jesus comes. Once He comes though, our fates our sealed Rev 22:11

Leaf473 · Tuesday at 7:19 AM

Something can be both a ritual and a commandment

Aaron shall put on the holy linen tunic. He shall have the linen trousers on his body, and shall put on the linen sash, and he shall be clothed with the linen turban Leviticus 16

Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering you didn’t desire. You have opened my ears

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