WHAT DOES IT , MEAN TO BE BORN OF GOD OR TO BE BORN AGAIN ?

Dan Perez said:

I have seen that one poster said he was BORN of God or was it BORN AGAIN ?

Just what verse did that come FROM ??



dan

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Minister Monardo said:

John 7:
37 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying,
“If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink.
38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.”
39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

A census of OT believers is irrelevant, only God's clearly identified servants spoke
by the indwelling Spirit of Christ. This overlaps into the NT.
1 Peter 1:10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,
11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.

John the B
Luke 1:15 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb.

Zacharias, Father of J the B
Luke 1:67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:

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d taylor said:

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It was, because i was addressing a post that made a statement Born again is receiving His Holy Spirit.

That may be the case now in this time period, but it has not always been that way.

People were born again in The Old Testament when they believed in Jesus for Eternal Life. Just like we are today. Except today the born again believer immediately receives The Holy Spirit upon belief in Jesus.

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Minister Monardo said:

If we are born again by faith in Christ, then the testimony of scripture
is that does not imply baptism in the Holy Spirit.
Acts 18:24 Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John.

Acts 19:
And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2 he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
3 And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”

Peter teaches that this born again status doesn't even manifest without the sanctifying
work after receiving the Promise of the Spirit. That is because "his banner over us is Love".
1 Peter 1:
22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart,
23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

After many years of a walk with the Lord, I was reading this epistle, and freely acknowledged that I did not feel that I had a fervent love for anybody really. Could I not be born again? Or was I insufficiently sanctified in the Holy Spirit to allow the Love of God to be "shed abroad" in my heart.
Since that time I grew much more fervent in my efforts to take all doctrines to heart, especially placing others first. I wouldn't be much of a teacher if my concern was pleasing others for my own benefit.
1 Thessalonians 2:
4 But as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel,
even so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who tests our hearts.
5 For neither at any time did we use flattering words, as you know,
nor a cloak for covetousness—God is witness.
6 Nor did we seek glory from men...

John 5:44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another,
and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?

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d taylor said:

No The Bible does not imply this, is just you are seeing it this way. You can not take something that was for the disciples of John the baptist and make a general sweep and apply this to every instance in The Bible that fosters bad theology.

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Minister Monardo said:

Thank you for establishing your superiority in the matter.
A classic example of "commending yourself".
I was not aware of the infallibility of the Grace Evangelical Society.
Good luck with your attitude and superiority complex.

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Dan Perez said:

And you wrote , a statement BORN AGAIN is recieveing His Holy SPIRIT ?

Will you please show where that verse is fund as I have NVER seen it ??

dan p

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