# 1 and here is the first verse that INTRIGUES me and no one has explained what it means , in John 3:5 and
It helps if you don't post inaccurate quote of John 3:5 as in post #36 shown below
Except a man be BORN of WATER and of the SPIRIT , he can enter the kingdom of God !
Need your thoughts ??
The above verse (John 3:5 - KJB) should have read he
cannot enter the kingdom of God ...
I have NEVER heard of Regeration in the OLD TESTAMENT and just give me a verse , PLEASE ?
You're right as
your word "Regeration" is not found in the OLD TESTAMENT. However, "
washing of regeneration" is found in the NEW TESTAMENT in
Titus 3:5 ...
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
He saved us, not because of any works of righteousness that we have done, but because of His own compassion and mercy, by the cleansing of the new birth (spiritual transformation, regeneration) and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
(not by works that are in righteousness that we did but according to His kindness,) He did save us, through a bathing of regeneration, and a renewing of the Holy Spirit,
Both Titus 3:5 (washing of regeneration - repentance) and John 3:5 (born of water - repentance) leading to being Born Again when baptized by the Holy Spirit. Some believe their repentance was followed by a change in one's heart/spirit, one's praising testimony and water immersion baptism ...
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Jesus answered, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God.
Jesus answered, 'Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God;
Acts 19:3-6 (KJV)
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Wouldn't you agree that among 1st century converts that both John's water baptism
unto one's repentance and especially the baptism of the Holy Spirit were essential to being "
Born Again" as a new creation in Christ Jesus? Thus enabling one to be a follower of the Word of God (John 8:11 and John 5:14 - KJB) ...
"Go and Sin No More" and
"Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Previously you replied in this lengthy Born Again thread in Feb ... www.christianforums.com/threads/born-again.8320286/
Perhaps you've become even more aware that Christendom has different interpretations of "Born Again" from these two "born again" threads and other salvation threads. For example RC and Lutheran doctrine used to teach (and still do?) that when an infant is sprinkled with Holy Water by a priest/pastor the infant/child is "born again."
More than a few church pastors have members repeat a prayer and tell them if they really meant it then they are "born again" - without the need of water baptism (repentance) or evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This liberal version of supposedly being "born again" has been referred by some Christians as easy-peasy (very easy) "seeker sensitive" Christianity ...
A seeker is someone who has not been born again but who is willing to come to a church if it is interesting and entertaining. In their efforts to draw more and more seekers, church leaders are instructed to do away with anything that will make “unchurched” people uncomfortable.
Such pastors are more likely cessationists than continualists and may believe they're better-off telling the congregation what their ears want to hear. Such as it's impossible for even godly Christians to stop sinning, interpreting Romans 7 that Paul considered actually considered himself to still be a sinner after his conversion and that a literal hell doesn't exist ... so church-goers that can't stop sinning still not fear of eternal separation from God in hell.
One obvious typo in this thread is not capitalizing Word when referring to the Word coming from the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (3 in One) ...
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1 - KJB)
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:14 - KJB)
