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Would Jesus deport illegal immigrants?

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There is some question about if certain "illegals" should be considered illegal.
Indeed. Immigration is an issue fraught with so many variables. It frustrates me when people pose simplistic answers.

For example, assume a child was brought into the country illegally by their parents and they're now an adult. They are technically an illegal immigrant, but do we treat them the same of drug smugglers who slipped across the border in the evening? I think doing so is un-Christlike.
 
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There are plenty who are Christian. Should we deport the illegal immigrants who are Christian as well? Would Jesus?
Illegal is illegal. The choir is not under immunity.
 
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Not all of the illegal immigrants are non-Christian. There are plenty who are Christian. Should we deport the illegal immigrants who are Christian as well? Would Jesus?
Can people who do illegal things such as illegal immigration truly be Christian?
Would Jesus want them in heaven?
 
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Can people who do illegal things such as illegal immigration truly be Christian?
Would Jesus want them in heaven?
What does He say about those trying to enter by any way but the gate?
 
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Can people who do illegal things such as illegal immigration truly be Christian?
There are theological consequences to such insinuations.

Can one who sins be Christian?

If we accept no as the answer, then there are no Christians.
 
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Indeed. Immigration is an issue fraught with so many variables. It frustrates me when people pose simplistic answers.
Ah, but simplistic answers cut through all the waffle..:)-
Paul said - "I am worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Cor 11:3)
Jesus never waffled- "And the common people heard him [Jesus] gladly" (Mark 12:37)
I was lucky enough to be brought up in the 1950's/60's when everybody saw things in crystal-clear black and white, whereas nowadays kids are taught that nothing is clear-cut black and white, and that everything must be looked at from every possible angle, blah-blah, no wonder they grow up stressed. and unsure of themselves-

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What does He say about those trying to enter by any way but the gate

If they're not Chrstians they won't get in..:)

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Let me add that if there are going to be nonchristians in heaven, i swear to God I wouldn't want to go..:)
 
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If they're not Chrstians they won't get in..:)

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Let me add that if there are going to be nonchristians in heaven, i swear to God I wouldn't want to go..:)
Noah wasn't a Christian. Abraham wasn't a Christian. David wasn't a Christian. You see where I'm going with this?
 
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Ah, but simplistic answers cut through all the waffle..:)-
Paul said - "I am worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Cor 11:3)
Jesus never waffled- "And the common people heard him [Jesus] gladly" (Mark 12:37)
I was lucky enough to be brought up in the 1950's/60's when everybody saw things in crystal-clear black and white, whereas nowadays kids are taught that nothing is clear-cut black and white, and that everything must be looked at from every possible angle, blah-blah, no wonder they grow up stressed. and unsure of themselves-
You're mixing up multiple ideas and it dilutes your point while missing mine.
 
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Can one who sins be Christian?
If we accept no as the answer, then there are no Christians.

We're ALL sinners to various degrees, even Jesus knew his human half sometimes let him down--
“Why do you call me good?..No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
But the worst sinners are those nonchristians who reject him-
Jesus said:- "Whoever rejects me rejects God" (Luke 10:16)
 
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Noah wasn't a Christian. Abraham wasn't a Christian. David wasn't a Christian. You see where I'm going with this?
Ever since the universe began, there's been a force sweeping through it, and Noah / Abraham / David etc tapped into it.
Later it had the name 'Christianity' put on it, "a rose by any other name"..:)
 
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Can people who do illegal things such as illegal immigration truly be Christian?
Would Jesus want them in heaven?
You are implying that all of Caesar's laws are in line with God's laws. It was legal for the moneychangers to operate in the temple. Roman law required Philemon to harshly punish Onesimus. "Manstealing" was legal in Rome. Successive divorces were legal in Rome. Abortion and infanticide were legal in Rome. Homosexual rape was legal in Rome.
 
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With the national conversation focused on immigration, Americans are being forced to choose between compassion and security. But this is a false dichotomy.

As Christians, we must reject the misleading framework that pits Christian love against national identity. Biblically speaking, this is not an either-or scenario. What if Scripture affirms both national sovereignty and moral responsibility? When President Trump enforced immigration laws, critics labeled his actions “unchristian.” But in reality, Trump was fulfilling the role God ordained for civil leaders.

The Bible affirms the existence of nations, borders, and the rule of law. Genesis 18 tells us that God intended for Abraham’s descendants to become a great nation. Deuteronomy 32:8 states that God “apportioned the nations” and “fixed the boundaries of the peoples.” Even the story of Babel in Genesis 11demonstrates that God divided humanity into nations, preventing unchecked global unity under a singular power. Nations — and by extension, borders — are part of God’s divine order.

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This is good reasoning. I think there is a tendency that some people hijack Christ to suit an agenda that purports to be all giving the store away or so very liberal. Christ did demand a mentoring up of behavior, not downward. He did not say oh you aspire to be free & disregard decorum as in it's ok to go start fires all over the place because if it floats your boat it's fine with God. There was always a mentoring up. Even the story with Mary M.-he said don't sin anymore. Otherwise darkness would rule the world. The world has always struggled with criminal behavior. We can never seem to extinguish. So this idea that just because the US had this immigration tradition, that it's perfectly ok to dismantle borders & just let people come in & then just take from Peter to pay Paul. I don't think he said anything of the kind. Remember he could have easily took Pontius Pilate or Herod out & he didn't. So this idea that we have to support a bunch of people who are always poor--why bother existing. You might as well be dead if you can't find some enjoyment in life here. At the root of the argument I think we can appreciate from history that original immigrants came with skills or desire to build a life here, not become part of the welfare state. There was more pride. Sadly the system decayed into the real concept in that work became penalized & sloth memorialized. And there is always a politician in the mix trying to use the old Christian concepts of guilting people by saying they should redistribute their wealth to the poor among them. Yet it's the politician, using other people's money, & then trying to claim credit as if they are the only benevolent humans ever to come along.
 
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Again.... they were given an opportunity to move to a better place and they took it. Like an ad in a paper, they followed through with the opportunity presented. This was not about paying smugglers. They were clothed, fed, and transported. The question remains, who was/is behind this. That is already known but nothing is being done.
 
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Again.... they were given an opportunity to move to a better place and they took it. Like an ad in a paper, they followed through with the opportunity presented. This was not about paying smugglers. They were clothed, fed, and transported. The question remains, who was/is behind this. That is already known but nothing is being done.
Our foolish politicians are to blame, AND the people who voted for them..;)

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Nations — and by extension, borders — are part of God’s divine order.
Yet, someone is very keen on erasing those borders, currently in the whitehouse.

Would Jesus deport illegal immigrants?

Jesus did not take on a governmental role when he walked on the earth 2000 years ago.

Saying yay or nay to people outside of the Roman Empire was not part of his mandate, because he was "only sent to the lost children of Israel"
 
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...Saying yay or nay to people outside of the Roman Empire was not part of his mandate, because he was "only sent to the lost children of Israel"
Israel was certainly a 'launch pad' for the subsequent spreading of Christianity worldwide..:)
Paul said -"For this is what the Lord has commanded us: 'I have made you a light for the gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.' (Acts 13:47)
 
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Would Jesus cast out illegal immigrants?

Jesus cast out demons.

And Paul says secular leaders do not use the sword in vain > Romans 13 > "he is God's minister to you for good".

Even so - - - I understand that Israel was told to welcome strangers into their land. Because as God's nation they would want people to hear the word of God and be exposed to their example of being a godly nation.

People from various places came to Jerusalem for Jewish gatherings.

A lot of immigrants are desperate for a better life, and are denied papers or delayed for years because they are poor.
A lot of granpas of current generations came to america with their clothes only.
Not all are 'demons' like criminals etc.
 
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