There Will Be Fewer Farmers

mark46 · Apr 6, 2025

US agriculture will greatly reduce its sales to China and to USAID.

These sources of income may come back some, but the total should be greatly reduced for years to come.

This is necessarily bad. The percentage of US citizens working in agriculture has been decreasing for many, many decades.

timothyu · Apr 6, 2025

mark46 said:
hese sources of income may come back some, but the total should be greatly reduced for years to come.

This is necessarily bad. The percentage of US citizens working in agriculture has been decreasing for many, many decades.

This may affect migrant workers but corporatism destroyed farming as an independent occupation 50 years ago. Small communities thrived with multiple family farms that soon gave way to industrial owned complexes. I doubt this way of life a half century ago will ever return, as will not the communities they supported. Free enterprise is dust in the wind and so is individual independence.

mark46 · Apr 6, 2025

timothyu said:
This may affect migrant workers but corporatism destroyed farming as an independent occupation 50 years ago. Small communities thrived with multiple family farms that soon gave way to industrial owned complexes. I doubt this way of life a half century ago will ever return, as will not the communities they supported. Free enterprise is dust in the wind and so is individual independence.

The family farm isn't gone.

https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/blog/look-americas-family-farms#:~:text=Most%20farms%20are%20small%20family,greatly%20in%20size%20and%20characteristics.

The average farm has stayed at around 450 acres since 2000. Of course, the number of farmers and farm are going down.

Small family farms produce 21% of production, while non-family farms only 12%

This data is six years old, and the trends are there, but family farms produce the vast majority of production.

d taylor · Apr 6, 2025

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Farms need to get back to local producing product, grown organic and sold in the community county and surrounding area where they located.

I hate corporate chemical farmed crops that are destroying the soil.

timothyu · Apr 6, 2025

timothyu · Apr 6, 2025

Oh? And what of the tens of thousands of family farms that vanished in the prior 40 years? And where are the small thriving towns that were supported by scores of farms rather than a couple of big farms today, the result of corporatism. I watched rural civilization disappear. This is an old game that started a half century ago. The concept was many sharing in the wealth rather than the few regardless of what output they may have. The concept today is directly the opposite.

mark46 said:
The family farm isn't gone.

Desk trauma · Apr 6, 2025

mark46 said:
US agriculture will greatly reduce its sales to China and to USAID.

These sources of income may come back some, but the total should be greatly reduced for years to come.

This is necessarily bad. The percentage of US citizens working in agriculture has been decreasing for many, many decades.

They overwhelmingly voted for this. I hope they get what they voted for, good, hard and deep.

Mayzoo · Apr 6, 2025

Desk trauma said:
They overwhelmingly voted for this. I hope they get what they voted for, good, hard and deep.

IMO, no one deserves what is imminent, not even those who voted for him. Ignorance of an outcome (even when warned) does not, IMO, mean you deserve said outcome.

mark46 · Apr 6, 2025

Mayzoo said:
IMO, no one deserves what is imminent, not even those who voted for him. Ignorance of an outcome (even when warned) does not, IMO, mean you deserve said outcome.

I do NOT accept the idea that Trump voters were ignorant of what he would do.

Mayzoo · Apr 6, 2025

mark46 said:
I do NOT accept the idea that Trump voters were ignorant of what he would do.

IMO, no one deserves what is to come, even if they were not ignorant of the outcome.

I drive my car, knowing it is the most dangerous form of transportation and full well what could happen. That does not mean I deserve to be in an accident.

When those that voted for him lose their jobs, their healthcare, their Medicaid, their homes, or whatever they lose, I do not feel any us of should sit back and preach they deserved it just as we should not preach that to those who did not vote for him.

We all make mistakes, and sometimes those mistakes are catastrophic. That should not exclude us from forgiveness or much needed assistance.

johansen · Apr 6, 2025

mark46 said:
This is necessarily bad. The percentage of US citizens working in agriculture has been decreasing for many, many decades.

Yes because there is no money in it.

100 years ago a third of your wages would have gone to food.

Raise food prices and the farms come back because all of a sudden its possible to afford a few children on a farms income. Ultimately people dont do what is not profitable to do...

Desk trauma · Apr 6, 2025

Mayzoo said:
IMO, no one deserves what is imminent, not even those who voted for him. Ignorance of an outcome (even when warned) does not, IMO, mean you deserve said outcome.

I’m happy they’re getting what they wanted. Shouldn’t I be happy when people get what they wanted?

Desk trauma · Apr 6, 2025

Mayzoo said:
IMO, no one deserves what is to come, even if they were not ignorant of the outcome.

I drive my car, knowing it is the most dangerous form of transportation and full well what could happen. That does not mean I deserve to be in an accident.

When those that voted for him lose their jobs, their healthcare, their Medicaid, their homes, or whatever they lose, I do not feel any us of should sit back and preach they deserved it just as we should not preach that to those who did not vote for him.

We all make mistakes, and sometimes those mistakes are catastrophic. That should not exclude us from forgiveness or much needed assistance.

Am I supposed to feel bad for boxers getting punched too?

timothyu · Apr 6, 2025

johansen said:
Raise food prices and the farms come back because all of a sudden its possible to afford a few children on a farms income. Ultimately people dont do what is not profitable to do...

The prime expense is equipment and chemicals. This is what killed the small farms when suddenly in the early 70's the prices quadrupled almost overnight.. forcing the small farmer to sell out as even affordable used equipment dried up. It took 10 sections of land to support a farmer where as half section previously did the job. An increase in food prices has little affect on sustainability, considering most farms don't raise food but forage and oils for human and animal consumption in factory farms and corn for the obesity industry. Most products in the stores are simple sugar and starch by-products, not the meat and veggies most think abounds on dinner tables. Processed is in, and natural out. Its a win win for those at the top of the ladder.

johansen · Apr 6, 2025

timothyu said:
The prime expense is equipment and chemicals. This is what killed the small farms when suddenly in the early 70's the prices quadrupled almost overnight.. forcing the small farmer to sell out as even affordable used equipment dried up. It took 10 sections of land to support a farmer where as half section previously did the job. An increase in food prices has little affect on sustainability, considering most farms don't raise food but forage and oils for human and animal consumption in factory farms and corn for the obesity industry. Most products in the stores are simple sugar and starch by-products, not the meat and veggies most think abounds on dinner tables. Processed is in, and natural out. Its a win win for those at the top of the ladder.

...no.

This isnt the 70's. We have weed killing laser drones now.

Its just simple economics. Humanity moves on, improvements are made and the knowledge needed to remain Relevant is ever increased.

One person can manage the production of 100 times as much as just a handful of decades ago.

Farmers can make money live streaming everything while plainly explaining its 6 of 1, half a dozen of another to repair equipment or buy new equipment while leveraging the market to afford the new equipment.

Its nothing new. My grandfather told me this stuff before dialup was a thing

johansen · Apr 6, 2025

Desk trauma said:
Am I supposed to feel bad for boxers getting punched too?

No im paying my HBO subscription to get them punched in the mouth.

Desk trauma · Apr 6, 2025

johansen said:
No im paying my HBO subscription to get them punched in the mouth.

Yet I’m supposed to feel bad for other people getting what they asked for?

johansen · Apr 6, 2025

Desk trauma said:
Yet I’m supposed to feel bad for other people getting what they asked for?

Who said that?

timothyu · Apr 6, 2025

johansen said:
One person can manage the production of 100 times as much as just a handful of decades ago.

Yippee, and soon no human needed. It's not about fake food production. It's about many being able to make a living versus a few profitiing. The old days were not only efficient but beneficial to the masses instead of a few. My values are not yours. 10's of thousands of farms supported the businesses of many. Now a few farmers support a few, both the farmers, farmers, towns and businesses of old having gone extinct at the hands of Corporatism, the new god and world government. And you think this is progress?

johansen · Apr 6, 2025

timothyu said:
Yippee, and soon no human needed. It's not about fake food production. It's about many being able to make a living versus a few profitiing. My values are not yours.

its always been this way.

I make no judgement on you.

But yes the whole point of human progress is to go forwards. R J letourno made machines that could clear an acre of land in one hour.

Im happy to have a ford 454 tractor and a 7 food wide grading box...

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