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Grassley Introduces Legislation to Clarify the Scope of Judicial Relief

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“The Judicial Relief Clarification Act clarifies the scope of judicial power and resolves illegitimate judicial infringement upon the executive branch. It’s a commonsense bill that’s needed to provide long-term constitutional clarity and curb district courts’ growing tendency to overstep by issuing sweeping, nationwide orders.”


Exactly what is needed.
 
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“The Judicial Relief Clarification Act clarifies the scope of judicial power and resolves illegitimate judicial infringement upon the executive branch. It’s a commonsense bill that’s needed to provide long-term constitutional clarity and curb district courts’ growing tendency to overstep by issuing sweeping, nationwide orders.”


Exactly what is needed.
I'll hold my breath waiting for this to pass.
 
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“The Judicial Relief Clarification Act clarifies the scope of judicial power and resolves illegitimate judicial infringement upon the executive branch. It’s a commonsense bill that’s needed to provide long-term constitutional clarity and curb district courts’ growing tendency to overstep by issuing sweeping, nationwide orders.”


Exactly what is needed.
Courts apply the (already written and codified) Law to see if an Executive Order, or other “edict” from POTUS, squares with those Laws (as well as the Constitution).

This is nothing more than “viture-signaling” by Grassley; if it makes it out of committee, I’ll be very surprised.
 
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Courts apply the (already written and codified) Law to see if an Executive Order, or other “edict” from POTUS, squares with those Laws (as well as the Constitution).

This is nothing more than “viture-signaling” by Grassley; if it makes it out of committee, I’ll be very surprised.
Actually too many don't. They put their politics into their decisions and try to usurp the powers of the president. Lower court judges cannot be calling back aircraft in mid-flight. One lower court attempted to so without even putting his order in writing.
 
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Actually too many don't. They put their politics into their decisions and try to usurp the powers of the president. Lower court judges cannot be calling back aircraft in mid-flight. One lower court attempted to so without even putting his order in writing.
It was put in writing within the hour of the verbal.
 
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“The Judicial Relief Clarification Act clarifies the scope of judicial power and resolves illegitimate judicial infringement upon the executive branch. It’s a commonsense bill that’s needed to provide long-term constitutional clarity and curb district courts’ growing tendency to overstep by issuing sweeping, nationwide orders.”


Exactly what is needed.
Funny that wasn't the view with the Mifepristone injunction.
 
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Actually too many don't. They put their politics into their decisions and try to usurp the powers of the president.
Sez you.

Lower court judges cannot be calling back aircraft in mid-flight. One lower court attempted to so without even putting his order in writing.
One part of the government doesn’t have to do what another part of the government, (specifically the part of the government that is in charge of how the laws, regulations & rules of the other parts of the government are to be applied), says to do?

Since when?
 
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One part of the government doesn’t have to do what another part of the government, (specifically the part of the government that is in charge of how the laws, regulations & rules of the other parts of the government are to be applied), says to do?

Since when?
“Judges are just pretending to be Judges! They are making the law instead of deciding the law!”
Elon Musk
 
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“Judges are just pretending to be Judges! They are making the law instead of deciding the law!”
Elon Musk
Who cares what Elon musk has to say about anything?
 
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“Judges are just pretending to be Judges! They are making the law instead of deciding the law!”
Elon Musk
Is this the new Godwin's law?
Quoting South African immigrant Nazi's on the American Governmental system? Pfft.
 
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Courts apply the (already written and codified) Law to see if an Executive Order, or other “edict” from POTUS, squares with those Laws (as well as the Constitution).

This is nothing more than “viture-signaling” by Grassley; if it makes it out of committee, I’ll be very surprised.
That's not really what the law is trying to address. The issue this law is trying to solve--or at least looks like it's trying to solve--is the usage of universal or nationwide injunctions, which are being used more and more frequently, and liable to abuse. (disclaimer: I've known from experience that sometimes people write laws that look innocuous enough, but their specific wording is set up to allow for things more extreme than they look like at first glance. It is possible this is such a law. This is therefore assuming the law is doing what it looks like it's trying to do--stop nationwide injunctions--and is only doing that)

Let's explain some things. So, if I saw that if a law is put into effect, it violates my constitutional rights, I can sue over it. And then if a judge agrees, they issue an injunction saying the government can't execute that law. A preliminary injunction is when a judge says the government can't execute that law while the court case is playing out (meaning if the case comes out in favor of the government, it the injunction will then be lifted), and a permanent injunction is if they do so after the final judgment.

Normally, an injunction applies only to the parties in the lawsuit. If I sue and get an injunction, that injunction means the government can't act against me with the law, but doesn't apply to non parties. This is how injunctions were handled throughout most of American history. But starting in the 1960's, something called nationwide injunctions became more popular, which is when judges gave the injunction against everyone, even those who aren't party to the lawsuit. This practice has been done more and more, and has been especially common in the last decade.

It sounds on the face of itself reasonable: Hey, if this person wins, shouldn't everyone in the same circumstances win? The problem is that this grants individual judges a whole lot of power if they grant it nationwide, and further encourages the already annoying process of forum shopping--that is, making sure to file lawsuits in areas where you're likely to get a sympathetic judge. Without a nationwide injunction the potential damage such a judge can do is more limited, but with such an injunction you can suddenly affect everyone in the country based on the whim of just one (quite possibly very biased) judge.

There have been some arguments that universal injunctions are not even something judges are supposed to give, legally speaking, but such hasn't really been ruled on in court. But whether judges can do so constitutionally, the goal of this law is to say that judges can only grant relief to the actual parties in a lawsuit, and not grant a universal injunction.

Complaints about the usage of universal injunctions is not a Republican thing. Here's The Daily Kos--a liberal source!--complaining about it:

Of course, this was from back in 2016, when Obama was president and it was conservatives using this trick to thwart Obama policies... one wonders if they complained about the practice when the shoe was on the other foot, and it was liberals doing this to thwart Trump policies.

So Grassley has some real ground to stand on in complaining about universal injunctions, considering it's exactly what Democrats have complained about in the past. That said, one can't help but notice that it's now he brings this up as a bill, when nationwide injunctions as more useful to Democrats (as it's a weapon against Trump), rather than during Biden's presidency when such injunctions were of more use to Republicans.
 
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That's not really what the law is trying to address. The issue this law is trying to solve--or at least looks like it's trying to solve--is the usage of universal or nationwide injunctions, which are being used more and more frequently, and liable to abuse. (disclaimer: I've known from experience that sometimes people write laws that look innocuous enough, but their specific wording is set up to allow for things more extreme than they look like at first glance. It is possible this is such a law. This is therefore assuming the law is doing what it looks like it's trying to do--stop nationwide injunctions--and is only doing that)
An injunction or TRO‘s “geographical jurisdiction“ is wholly dependent on what the document in questions says.
If it says that “all people” (or words that make it clear that the edict is meant to be valid nationwide), if a judge finds the order/writing anathema to the Constitution, then any affected person would have to get relief otherwise it violates the 14th Amendment.
Why are we asking for judges to “be allowed” to violate the Constitution?
 
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But starting in the 1960's, something called nationwide injunctions became more popular, which is when judges gave the injunction against everyone, even those who aren't party to the lawsuit. This practice has been done more and more, and has been especially common in the last decade.
Right, but if any Joe Schmoe has standing, then all it takes is one plaintiff to stand for the rest of us.
 
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It sounds on the face of itself reasonable: Hey, if this person wins, shouldn't everyone in the same circumstances win? The problem is that this grants individual judges a whole lot of power if they grant it nationwide, and further encourages the already annoying process of forum shopping--that is, making sure to file lawsuits in areas where you're likely to get a sympathetic judge. Without a nationwide injunction the potential damage such a judge can do is more limited, but with such an injunction you can suddenly affect everyone in the country based on the whim of just one (quite possibly very biased) judge.
Odd how this is only becoming a problem when a budding authoritarian is in the White House.
 
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Odd how this is only becoming a problem when a budding authoritarian is in the White House.
I am not sure why you posted three posts quoting my post rather than just one including all of the quotes. Regardless, this was regarded as a problem before Trump. As I pointed out in my post--in a section you skipped over--one can find liberal sources complaining about this before Trump became President. Again, see The Daily Kos article, which complained about it (when conservatives were doing it to Obama). Or am I misunderstanding you, and you are saying Obama was a budding authoritarian?

Indeed, various sources that have no affinity for Trump at all have criticized nationwide injunctions (usually, of course, when they work against liberals). I can't read the whole thing without a subscription, this The Atlantic article appears to be complaining about the practice. The Atlantic isn't as staunchly liberal as The Daily Kos but it certainly leans very heavily that way.

But if you want one that's available without subscription, see this Vox article also criticizing nationwide injunctions and urging liberals to try to stop the practice. Again, a rather liberal source criticizing the practice and pointing out the problems with it (and arguing that as a whole they're more damaging to liberals than helpful).

Nationwide injunctions have been controversial in legal circles for a while now; again, this practice only really started in the 1960's, and was relatively rare until more recently. It's just only more recently the general public is starting to become aware of the issues with them due to them becoming more common.
 
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Actually too many don't. They put their politics into their decisions and try to usurp the powers of the president. Lower court judges cannot be calling back aircraft in mid-flight. One lower court attempted to so without even putting his order in writing.
To the contrary. No other president has attempted such an unprecedented power grab, and defying judicial decisions it doesn't like.
And now an American citizen is rotting in a Salvadoran prison because he defied the law, and he claims he can't get him out.
Congress has already shown itself to be rubber stamps for him, fearful they'll be primaried with well-financed more docile puppets.
Judges, appointed for life, are less likely to be puppets.
 
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To the contrary. No other president has attempted such an unprecedented power grab, and defying judicial decisions it doesn't like.
And now an American citizen is rotting in a Salvadoran prison because he defied the law, and he claims he can't get him out.
Congress has already shown itself to be rubber stamps for him, fearful they'll be primaried with well-financed more docile puppets.
Judges, appointed for life, are less likely to be puppets.
We've just seen a president, Joe Biden, defy our border laws and a decision of the Supreme Court on student loans. The violation of our border laws has caused many deaths and a return of slavery to our country. Hundreds of thousands of children are missing. President Trump, and this is why the people elected him, wants to clean up this disaster. Trump's Constitution rights were violated while he was running for president and many people hate Trump and what he stands for so much they would see our nation destroyed rather than let Trump succeed. Some of these people are judges. The people will not let a judge or a group of judges take over the presidency.
 
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We've just seen a president, Joe Biden, defy our border laws and a decision of the Supreme Court on student loans. The violation of our border laws has caused many deaths and a return of slavery to our country. Hundreds of thousands of children are missing. President Trump, and this is why the people elected him, wants to clean up this disaster. Trump's Constitution rights were violated while he was running for president and many people hate Trump and what he stands for so much they would see our nation destroyed rather than let Trump succeed. Some of these people are judges. The people will not let a judge or a group of judges take over the presidency.
Except Biden didn't defy a decision of the Supreme Court on student loans. The Supreme Court said he couldn't do student loan forgiveness one way, so he tried to do it another way, a way that they hadn't ruled he couldn't do. This has been pointed out repeatedly on this forum when people bring it up. Surely you are not ignorant of this.

Granted, Biden didn't help matters by using phrasing that made it sound like he was defying it (which was very stupid on his part). But he wasn't defying any decision of the Supreme Court on student loans.
 
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Nationwide injunctions have been controversial in legal circles for a while now; again, this practice only really started in the 1960's, and was relatively rare until more recently. It's just only more recently the general public is starting to become aware of the issues with them due to them becoming more common.
District Courts don’t rely on their own “wisdom” go render decisions but rely upon the (now vast) corpus of Law that has been decided upon by SCOTUS in years previous, allowing District Courts to craft their decisions/orders in such fashion that comports with those past SCOTUS works and (therefore) the Constitution.

While Congress can write legislation to curtail District Courts from issuing nationwide TROs and injunctions, it also bypasses laws already adjudicated.
 
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