One Moment in Time - God created a 24 hour day.

Diamond72 · Nov 24, 2024

It did not take 24 hours for God to create a day. A day is 24 hours. It does not take God any time at all because we are told, He is outside of time. We are in time so we define the beginning as a moment or the smallest amount of time the laws of Physics will allow.

All of creation in Genesis one can be reduced to 32 verses. Even though all the books in the world could not explain creation. So we should be able to keep this short, concise, and to the point.

Day one God created day or light. (24 hour day)
Day two God created water as the vapor formless substance of day one became a solid.
Day three God created dry land and life.
Day four God created a year or the seasons.
Day five God created animals.
Day six God created man. (dominion)
Day seven God created the sabbath for man. A time of rest and worship.

At any moment somewhere is a sunrise and somewhere is a sunset. In the penthouse of the tallest building of the world, there is two minutes difference compare to standing on the earth. Based on what the pupil in our eye perceives. IF you blink your eye you will miss the beginning or the end of a day and time.

1 Corinthians 15:52

There are seven moments in time because it did not happen all at once.
It is difficult for me to get the song: "One Moment in Time" out of my head.

We have first "st", second "nd", third "rd" then fourth "th".
For some reason every number after that is a "th".

Jesus was resurrected on the third day.
The kingdom age begins on the third day. (seventh from Adam)
God created life on the third day.
The kingdom age is a sabbath when man rests from his work and worship God.

Diamond72 · Nov 24, 2024

AI says this a little different.

Days of Creation:
Day One: God created light, separating it from the darkness (Genesis 1:3-5).
Day Two: God created the sky, separating the waters above from the waters below (Genesis 1:6-8).
Day Three: God gathered the waters below to reveal dry land and created vegetation (Genesis 1:9-13).
Day Four: God created the sun, moon, and stars to govern the day and night and mark the seasons (Genesis 1:14-19).
Day Five: God created sea creatures and birds (Genesis 1:20-23).
Day Six: God created land animals and humans, giving them dominion over other creatures (Genesis 1:24-31).
Day Seven: God rested, blessing and sanctifying the seventh day as a day of rest (Genesis 2:1-3).

Doug Brents · Nov 25, 2024

Diamond72 said:
AI says this a little different.

Days of Creation:
Day One: God created light, separating it from the darkness (Genesis 1:3-5).
Day Two: God created the sky, separating the waters above from the waters below (Genesis 1:6-8).
Day Three: God gathered the waters below to reveal dry land and created vegetation (Genesis 1:9-13).
Day Four: God created the sun, moon, and stars to govern the day and night and mark the seasons (Genesis 1:14-19).
Day Five: God created sea creatures and birds (Genesis 1:20-23).
Day Six: God created land animals and humans, giving them dominion over other creatures (Genesis 1:24-31).
Day Seven: God rested, blessing and sanctifying the seventh day as a day of rest (Genesis 2:1-3).

Day One has something missing from it. On day One, God created all of the heavens (space) and the Earth. He did not just create light and separate it from the darkness on that day. In the very first instant of time, God created (made something from absolutely nothing) the heavens and the Earth. Don't skip over verse 1 and 2.

Diamond72 · Nov 25, 2024

Doug Brents said:
On day One, God created all of the heavens (space) and the Earth.

Yes at the very beginning everything (all) was already here. Mostly hydrogen, helium and a little lithium. Then on day one He created the stars and they created the elements. That is why we are carbon-based. Even though we are mostly made up of water H20 that we see on the second day. The Hydrogen was here but the oxygen was created in the furnace of a star. Carbon atoms fuse with helium nuclei to produce oxygen.

Big Bang Nucleosynthesis:

Hydrogen: The most abundant element, hydrogen, is formed in vast quantities.
Helium: Helium was produced through the fusion of hydrogen nuclei.
Lithium: Trace amounts of lithium were created, though it remained relatively rare.

Over billions of years, these primordial elements served as the building blocks for the formation of stars and galaxies. Through the process of stellar nucleosynthesis, stars fused hydrogen and helium into heavier elements, creating the diverse array of elements we see in the universe today.

Diamond72 · Nov 25, 2024

Doug Brents said:
God created (made something from absolutely nothing)

In the beginning was hydrogen, helium and lithium. They were here when time began. The beginning by definition is the beginning of time. There is no time in eternity, time is finite.

Doug Brents · Nov 25, 2024

Diamond72 said:
Yes at the very beginning everything (all) was already here.

No, there was nothing there, because in the beginning God made it all (everything, the heavens and the earth).

Diamond72 said:
Mostly hydrogen, helium and a little lithium. Then on day one He created the stars and they created the elements.

On day one God created Earth (a formless ball of water in space) and the empty heavens). God formed an atmosphere above the water on day two. Then God created land in the water on day three. He didn't create the stars until day four.

Diamond72 said:
That is why we are carbon-based. Even though we are mostly made up of water H20 that we see on the second day. The Hydrogen was here but the oxygen was created in the furnace of a star. Carbon atoms fuse with helium nuclei to produce oxygen.

Big Bang Nucleosynthesis:

Hydrogen: The most abundant element, hydrogen, is formed in vast quantities.

Helium: Helium was produced through the fusion of hydrogen nuclei.

Lithium: Trace amounts of lithium were created, though it remained relatively rare.

Over billions of years, these primordial elements served as the building blocks for the formation of stars and galaxies. Through the process of stellar nucleosynthesis, stars fused hydrogen and helium into heavier elements, creating the diverse array of elements we see in the universe today.

Ahhh, I see that you do not really believe that God is the Creator. You believe that everything just happened to grow from the simple into the complex in complete violation of all the laws of physics and nature. The simple NEVER grows into more complex without intelligent design. The random NEVER develops into organized patterns without intelligent design. Life CANNOT grow from non-life.

Diamond72 · Nov 25, 2024

Doug Brents said:
No, there was nothing there, because in the beginning God made it all (everything, the heavens and the earth).

We do not see the word all until verse 21 of Genesis chapter one.

Doug Brents said:
Ahhh, I see that you do not really believe that God is the Creator. You believe that everything just happened to grow from the simple into the complex in complete violation of all the laws of physics and nature.

That is just the opposite of what I believe. You should do your homework so you are better prepared.

Doug Brents · Nov 25, 2024

Diamond72 said:
We do not see the word all until verse 21 of Genesis chapter one.

The word "all" in verse 21 is totally irrelevant to this discussion. In the beginning God created (made something from nothing) the heavens and the Earth. That means that He made it all. There was nothing there (according to Heb 11:3) before He made everything from nothing. He didn't form it, He didn't shape it, He didn't repurpose it; He created everything from nothing (beyond His own power).

Diamond72 said:
That is just the opposite of what I believe. You should do your homework so you are better prepared.

If you believed that God is the creator of everything, then you would not be postulating nonsense like "Big Bang Nucleosythesis".

eleos1954 · Nov 25, 2024

Diamond72 said:
It did not take 24 hours for God to create a day. A day is 24 hours. It does not take God any time at all because we are told, He is outside of time. We are in time so we define the beginning as a moment or the smallest amount of time the laws of Physics will allow.

All of creation in Genesis one can be reduced to 32 verses. Even though all the books in the world could not explain creation. So we should be able to keep this short, concise, and to the point.

Day one God created day or light. (24 hour day)
Day two God created water as the vapor formless substance of day one became a solid.
Day three God created dry land and life.
Day four God created a year or the seasons.
Day five God created animals.
Day six God created man. (dominion)
Day seven God created the sabbath for man. A time of rest and worship.

At any moment somewhere is a sunrise and somewhere is a sunset. In the penthouse of the tallest building of the world, there is two minutes difference compare to standing on the earth. Based on what the pupil in our eye perceives. IF you blink your eye you will miss the beginning or the end of a day and time.

1 Corinthians 15:52

There are seven moments in time because it did not happen all at once.
It is difficult for me to get the song: "One Moment in Time" out of my head.

We have first "st", second "nd", third "rd" then fourth "th".
For some reason every number after that is a "th".

Jesus was resurrected on the third day.
The kingdom age begins on the third day. (seventh from Adam)
God created life on the third day.
The kingdom age is a sabbath when man rests from his work and worship God.

God created time for mankind to be used for His specific purposes. He defined it as evening and morning being one day. Mankind developed the system of measuring time more specifically. Its a system of measurement. God does not have a beginning and an end .... we do until we are resurrected and then given eternal life.

Time is actually an illusion for mankind .... if there is not a mind to comprehend it ... time does not exist.

Some scientists theorize time is the 4th dimension but this can not be proven because our minds are 3 dimensional

we can't directly visualize four-dimensional (or more) space, it can only be theorized.

Science requires observation (a human mind)

While we cannot directly "see" time, we can observe the effects of time passing by observing changes in the world around us, like the movement of objects, the progression of seasons, or the aging of living things; essentially, we are observing the sequence of events which is how we perceive time as passing.

Diamond72 · Nov 25, 2024

eleos1954 said:
Science requires observation (a human mind)

A lot of science goes beyond the ability of our senses. With instruments and things.

Diamond72 · Nov 25, 2024

Diamond72 said:
A lot of science goes beyond the ability of our senses. With instruments and things.

The Scientific Method:

Observation: The process begins with observing natural phenomena, which leads to questions and curiosity.
Hypothesis: Based on observations, scientists formulate a hypothesis or educated guess to explain the phenomena.
Experimentation: Conducting experiments to test the hypothesis, gathering data through careful and systematic observation.
Analysis: Analyzing the data collected from experiments to draw conclusions.
Conclusion: Formulating conclusions based on the analysis, which can confirm or refute the hypothesis.
Peer Review and Replication: Sharing results with the scientific community for validation, and replicating experiments to ensure reliability.

eleos1954 · Nov 26, 2024

Diamond72 said:
A lot of science goes beyond the ability of our senses. With instruments and things.

A fact is an indisputable observation of a natural or social phenomenon. We can see it directly and show it to others. A hypothesis is an idea that we can test with further observations. We set out to gather evidence to see if our hypothesis is supported.

According to the principles of science, if we cannot observe something directly, it is generally not considered "true" in the sense that we cannot confidently claim its existence or properties without further evidence or a theoretical framework to explain it;

Diamond72 · Nov 26, 2024

eleos1954 said:
A fact is an indisputable observation of a natural or social phenomenon.

The book "The Half-Life of Facts: Why Everything We Know Has an Expiration Date" by Samuel Arbesman explores the idea that facts and knowledge change over time. Arbesman, a network scientist, delves into how knowledge in various fields evolves systematically and predictably, much like the decay of radioactive elements2.

eleos1954 · Nov 28, 2024

Diamond72 said:
The book "The Half-Life of Facts: Why Everything We Know Has an Expiration Date" by Samuel Arbesman explores the idea that facts and knowledge change over time. Arbesman, a network scientist, delves into how knowledge in various fields evolves systematically and predictably, much like the decay of radioactive elements2.

we have and do collect data ... the interpretation of that data varies ... and the interpretations are always debatable. Much of science is based on theory of things that supposedly happened millions/billions of years ago ... that theory is based on evolution theory ... there is no way to actually prove anything that happened millions/billions of years ago (nobody was there) ... it's based on theory in the first place. Explanations/interpretations are based on theory ... and if that's your belief (your foundation of belief) then things are going to be interpreted supporting that belief. Many assumptions are made within various theories.

Diamond72 · Nov 28, 2024

eleos1954 said:
Much of science is based on theory of things that supposedly happened millions/billions of years ago

Science holds up in a court of law. We see this in Texas when they came out with DNA evidence and they had to release a lot of people from prison because it was not their DNA found on or at the crime scene. In the same way they have found people they never would have found if it were not for DNA evidence.

eleos1954 · Nov 28, 2024

Diamond72 said:
Science holds up in a court of law. We see this in Texas when they came out with DNA evidence and they had to release a lot of people from prison because it was not their DNA found on or at the crime scene. In the same way they have found people they never would have found if it were not for DNA evidence.

Even so ...

But the reality is that DNA evidence is not what many believe it to be – it is, in fact, susceptible to human errors including botched testing and to bias or even misconduct by testers and those issuing ‘expert certificates’ – who are often current or former police officers – and there have been numerous cases of ostensibly indisputable DNA evidence falsely connecting innocent persons to crimes.

Palmfever · Nov 28, 2024

Diamond72 said:
It did not take 24 hours for God to create a day. A day is 24 hours. It does not take God any time at all because we are told, He is outside of time. We are in time so we define the beginning as a moment or the smallest amount of time the laws of Physics will allow.

All of creation in Genesis one can be reduced to 32 verses. Even though all the books in the world could not explain creation. So we should be able to keep this short, concise, and to the point.

Day one God created day or light. (24 hour day)
Day two God created water as the vapor formless substance of day one became a solid.
Day three God created dry land and life.
Day four God created a year or the seasons.
Day five God created animals.
Day six God created man. (dominion)
Day seven God created the sabbath for man. A time of rest and worship.

At any moment somewhere is a sunrise and somewhere is a sunset. In the penthouse of the tallest building of the world, there is two minutes difference compare to standing on the earth. Based on what the pupil in our eye perceives. IF you blink your eye you will miss the beginning or the end of a day and time.

1 Corinthians 15:52

There are seven moments in time because it did not happen all at once.
It is difficult for me to get the song: "One Moment in Time" out of my head.

We have first "st", second "nd", third "rd" then fourth "th".
For some reason every number after that is a "th".

Jesus was resurrected on the third day.
The kingdom age begins on the third day. (seventh from Adam)
God created life on the third day.
The kingdom age is a sabbath when man rests from his work and worship God.

Planet	Day Length
Mercury	1,408 hours
Venus	5,832 hours
Earth	24 hours
Mars	25 hours
Jupiter	10 hours
Saturn	11 hours
Uranus	17 hours
Neptune	16 hours

Earth days are simply earth days they don't relate to the other planets other our perspective. Anyone on Saturn would disagree as to the length of a day, and rightfully so.

This would would lend credence to the concept that prior to our sun being brought into existence, there was no time reference for days on any of the planets.

On day four He created the Sun and moon For the purpose of governing seasons, days, years.

Lost4words · Nov 28, 2024

Genesis is God's word. It gives us a brief description of how God created the world in a way that man could sort of understand. Can you imagine if God decided to explain His creation in full!!!!!!? It would take volumes and volumes of text!!

God spoke. Creation was born. It was started. Only God can tell us exactly what the full process was.

The most important thing is not how long it took. No. The most important thing is believing in God. In His creation of everything. Of us etc...

Diamond72 · Nov 28, 2024

Palmfever said:
On day four He created the Sun and moon For the purpose of governing seasons, days, years.

On day four he created seasons, days & years. We already had an Earth, Sun and Moon. They are a part of the "Heavens" that He created on the first day. Jesus talks about on Earth as it is in Heaven.

Palmfever · Nov 28, 2024

Diamond72 said:
On day four he created seasons, days & years. We already had an Earth, Sun and Moon. They are a part of the "Heavens" that He created on the first day. Jesus talks about on Earth as it is in Heaven.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

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