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Something like that. I don't think I can point to 'a' source other than the process of being a living breathing thinking person. Effectively, it probably looks a lot like the categorical imperative combined with notions of fairness and rights.
Maybe the point of my asking is to help clarify a non Biblical foundation for public norms.
I believe we do. But it differs from person to person, and is not fixed, but can change over time.
Those are all more or less agreeable to me.
Where are you on the abortion issue. i think Pro-life people make a mistake bringing in religions.
The Terms Of Service forbid members from "encouraging participation" in abortion.
I know several atheists who are very much in line with God's laws ... they don't attribute their views as being biblical ... that's fine. As Christians we know God's laws are written into the heart of all human beings of which one may or many not cooperate with and/or acknowledge as such ... this is the case whether one is Christian or not. How they decide is really none of our business. All citizens have a right to put forth their point of view ... how those views may get put forth as actual law in our country is up to our government which may or may not be in line with Christian values.
So we cannot talk about it? It's pros and cons? Of limits?
My understanding is that the morality of abortion is a settled issue [it's wrong]. But like homosexuality, aspects of fact and law and news can be discussed.
Well I am trying to get to the foundation anyway. I would presume it is wrong because it is viewed as the taking of a life. Those who are pro-choice completely ignore this although it is a given among Pro-life. And that is not a religious argument.
The golden rule is...The Golden Rule. If you generally stick with 'Do unto others etc' then that'll cover most situations. The categorical imperative is just a more formal way of expressing it. In most cases we all generally take a utilitarian approach, but that can lead to less than ideal decisions if you stick to it rigidly.
That's a given. It certainly is in my case. There isn't much that Jesus said that I'd disagree with. His Father on the other hand...I have some objections to what He is meant to have said. And done. So if you are familiar with the bible then you take from it what seems to make sense and disregard the rest. Let's face it, unless you are a literalist then Christians do this as well.
If you want a reasonable discussion on morality then I'd seriously leave abortion out of it. It's too emotional a subject.
The materialist would say that what is written into the heart is the result of the evolutionary process. Generally speaking, what worked in order for us to get to this point, which helped us survive as a species, we call 'good'. And what worked against that we termed 'bad'. For example, if procreation within a family group was evolutionary beneficial then having sex with someone outside the immediate family would be considered bad, akin to incest.
