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Protestant conflicting logic reading the early fathers and the Bible

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ViaCrucis said:
And yet it is possible to make shipwreck of our faith, to turn away and become apostate.

If apostasy is impossible then warning against it is meaningless. St. John reminds us that there is mortal sin. When sin drives us from Christ, when we refuse to approach the throne of grace and confess our sins and humbly repent we are quenching the Holy Spirit and we are risking shipwrecking our faith.

The Scriptures tell us to abide in Christ.

-CryptoLutheran
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You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

God keeps those He is saving. The Spirit guides us to sorrowfully confess our sins.

Ezekiel 36:26
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.
 
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Rescued One said:
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

God keeps those He is saving. The Spirit guides us to sorrowfully confess our sins.

Ezekiel 36:26
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.
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Do Christians still have the old man?

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ViaCrucis said:
Do Christians still have the old man?

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We aren't schizophrenics and we are not yet glorified. End of discussion. Your conversion to truth is not my responsibilty.
 
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Rescued One said:
We aren't schizophrenics and we are not yet glorified. End of discussion. Your conversion to truth is not my responsibilty.
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Is that a yes or a no to my question?

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J3thekingofking said:
The early Christians leaders created the Bible.

Some early Christian leaders" teaching are rejected by the protestants. Eg, many early Christian leaders doesn't sounds like Calvinist at all.

Protestant argue that they put the Bible above anything else? But strictly speaking, it's their interpretation above anything else?
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The early Church leaders gathered 66 books and combined them into one book, known as the Holy Bible.

We all know about the false teaching of the early Christians, it still goes on today. Many of todays Christian leaders are still teaching false doctrine so nothing has changed. We have segregated Christians into two camps, the Calvinists and Arminians. But these only came about in the 16th century with denominationalism.

Today we have over 45,000 Christian denominations, all competing against each other to prove that their interpretation is the only correct one. The reality is, there is no clear winner. So everyone has their own opinion as to who is right and who is wrong.

It is true that Protestants put Gods Word above mans word, but again anyone can choose to switch denominations and join the opposition if they feel their side is teaching heresy.
 
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Dan1988 said:
The early Church leaders gathered 66 books and combined them into one book, known as the Holy Bible.

We all know about the false teaching of the early Christians, it still goes on today. Many of todays Christian leaders are still teaching false doctrine so nothing has changed. We have segregated Christians into two camps, the Calvinists and Arminians. But these only came about in the 16th century with denominationalism.

Today we have over 45,000 Christian denominations, all competing against each other to prove that their interpretation is the only correct one. The reality is, there is no clear winner. So everyone has their own opinion as to who is right and who is wrong.

It is true that Protestants put Gods Word above mans word, but again anyone can choose to switch denominations and join the opposition if they feel their side is teaching heresy.
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christian into 2 camps in 16th century? as I know 3 major denomination today is protestant, roman catholic and eastern orthodox.
 
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J3thekingofking said:
christian into 2 camps in 16th century? as I know 3 major denomination today is protestant, roman catholic and eastern orthodox.
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Those 3 major denominations spawned 45,000 breakaway denominations, each denomination has it's own unique interpretation of the Bible.
The main reason for the division is this unresolved dispute regarding the interpretation of the Gospel. The dispute came to a head in the 16th century when John Calvin refuted Jacob Arminius' "man centered, works based gospel" with his now famous "five points". He claimed that the true gospel is not man centered or works based. He claimed that it's God centered and grace based.

Below is a helpful table, which outlines the 2 gospel versions, which divided the Church 500 years ago and they continue to divide the Church more than ever in out time.

http://heavenslight.org/wp-content/...vinism_and_Arminianism_TULIP_Chart_1_2007.pdf
 
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trophy33 said:
And not just by protestants. Some early Christian leaders are even called heretics by the RCC.
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For good reason. Take Arius, for instance.
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There is a plethora of views about the Bible in protestantism.
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As many views as denominations; i.e., hundreds of them.
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However, Scriptures are generally viewed to be above church tradition
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Except their church traditions, of course. And each sect has their own.
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and historically especially above the Roman Catholic Church tradition.
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Because one the fundamentals of Protestantism is "Catholics, bad!".
 
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16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
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