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Challenging Jehovah's Witnesses

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A few of us were out evangelizing at the local Farmer's Market today and approached two Jehovah's Witnesses at the corner... I just asked if they were born again and then my friend followed up...
 

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A few of us were out evangelizing at the local Farmer's Market today and approached two Jehovah's Witnesses at the corner... I just asked if they were born again and then my friend followed up...
Amen to that. God's name is Yahweh, and His Son's name is Yeshua. No idea why people are JWs. Thank you for witnessing to the Jehovah's Witness, as their doctrine has fallen short of the Gospel.
 
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She might be new at this. The more seasoned ones probably have rehearsed counter arguments to the points brought up. Good job though, I'll keep those in mind. It's been many years since I've come across a JW or LDS "missionary". Maybe their numbers a dwindling.
 
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We have several Jehovah's Witnesses around where we are. And when I am sharing the Gospel, I have one come up to me regularly and talk. We get on well and respect each other. But I have never really had any great apologetics to counter them. But this vid has now given me ammo. And the ammo is simple ammo to memorize. Awesome.
I have looked up some apologetics to counter JW's, but most of the time, the apologetics will point to John 1:1 or the apologetics will be a difficult one to memorize.

Does anyone else have simple things that may put a pin prick in their understanding?
 
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Does anyone else have simple things that may put a pin prick in their understanding?
Quote trinity references outside of the gospel of john and especially in the old testament.

If the discussion goes off script all they can do is invite you to a bible study.
 
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Quote trinity references outside of the gospel of john and especially in the old testament.

If the discussion goes off script all they can do is invite you to a bible study.
Arguing from a trinitarian viewpoint with a JW is always hard.
John 1:1 and John 1:14 are probably the main verses for the Trinity. These are good verses but if we put the fact that both God and Jesus said they were "the first and the last" with them (Isaiah 44:6 and Rev 22:13), then it makes for a much stronger case. If we simply use the verses from John 1 by themselves, then they are not that strong.

"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:14 (This verse can be viewed that the Son was not the Father, but He came from the Father. So, he is separate from God. JW's believe that Jesus was the firstborn of God.)

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1
Jesus and God are one. However, in the JW translation, it says that "the word was a God". So, the word "a" is added. This means that "The Word" is a separate entity from God Jehovah. Unfortunately, when translating Greek, it can be translated in this way. So, even though we believe the translation is incorrect, they can argue that it is correct.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Rev 22:13 (Jesus' speaking)

“This is what the Lord says, He who is the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of armies: ‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6 (Jehovah God speaking) KNJV
I prefer the NIV translation:
“This is what the Lord says—Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God." NIV
 
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Arguing from a trinitarian viewpoint with a JW is always hard.
John 1:1 and John 1:14 are probably the main verses for the Trinity. These are good verses but if we put the fact that both God and Jesus said they were "the first and the last" with them (Isaiah 44:6 and Rev 22:13), then it makes for a much stronger case. If we simply use the verses from John 1 by themselves, then they are not that strong.

"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:14 (This verse can be viewed that the Son was not the Father, but He came from the Father. So, he is separate from God. JW's believe that Jesus was the firstborn of God.)

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1
Jesus and God are one. However, in the JW translation, it says that "the word was a God". So, the word "a" is added. This means that "The Word" is a separate entity from God Jehovah. Unfortunately, when translating Greek, it can be translated in this way. So, even though we believe the translation is incorrect, they can argue that it is correct.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Rev 22:13 (Jesus' speaking)

“This is what the Lord says, He who is the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of armies: ‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6 (Jehovah God speaking) KNJV
I prefer the NIV translation:
“This is what the Lord says—Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God." NIV
Don't phrase it like an argument, just come off as someone who likes to discuss the scriptures.

You can't change people's minds anyway, that's what God does.

A rule of thumb for this is to not use any part of the bible they have a ready made response for.

Genesis is a great example, it refers to the word in John 1 as the voice.
 
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A few of us were out evangelizing at the local Farmer's Market today and approached two Jehovah's Witnesses at the corner... I just asked if they were born again and then my friend followed up...
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No sound. Not sure why. Don't think it's my end. I was a good friend to a man here in San Diego named Peter Barnes. He and his wife Ada were JWs for 30 years in England and was high up in the organization - an overseer. Peter taught himself the original Hebrew and Greek so he could better understand the true meanings of the Scriptures. The Lord opened his eyes to the truth and he got saved, so did his wife. They left the JW org and came to San Diego. He started a ministry to help Christians witness to JWs and give them the truth. Many JWs left the organization, including my good friend who was a JW for 18 years. I watched Peter deprogram her. She was very intelligent so I had a hard time believing that she could believe such nonsense. Peter died in 2012, but I took the many tapes of his Bible studies and made a YT channel for him and turned them into videos. Check it out on YouTube. Search for "Peter Barnes Revelation". His Bible studies were mostly in people;s homes. Sometimes they were so packed, couldn't get all the people in the house, so they'd opened the windows and sat outside to listen to Peter. I learned so much about Scripture from him, especially the Book of Revelation. He was well-respected by many pastors of different denominations and was often called to speak and teach at their churches. Sure do miss Peter and Ada. I was blessed to be their friends and learn the truth about God's Word. Thank you for having the courage and conviction to reach the lost for Christ.
Thanks for sharing! The sound on the JW end is harder to hear because of all the noise going on, so sorry about that!
 
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I was glad to here you asking people if they are born again.
I actually thought of you when I went to go ask them! haha
 
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I actually thought of you when I went to go ask them! haha
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I appreciate the thought, but give all credit to Jesus, as He alone can only bring about the new birth.
 
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A few of us were out evangelizing at the local Farmer's Market today and approached two Jehovah's Witnesses at the corner... I just asked if they were born again and then my friend followed up...
challenging - Disturbingly provocative.
challenge
  • A call to engage in a contest, fight, or competition.
  • An act or statement of defiance; a call to confrontation.
  • A demand for explanation or justification; a calling into question.
Is this the Christian way of evangelizing? Is it following the example of our lord, and his followers?
Is it a good example to set for others?

Matthew 19:3
Then some Pharisees came and tested Him by asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason?”​

Matthew 22:15-18
15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16 They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know that you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not?”​
18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me?​

The religious Pharisees, used this method, since they did not have love for people.
Jesus, on the other hand, taught his disciples the loving approach.

Matthew 10:11-13
11 When you enter any town or village, find out who is worthy, and stay there until you leave. 12 Greet a household when you enter it, 13 and if the household is worthy, let your peace be on it; but if it is unworthy, let your peace return to you.​

Finding a worthy person would not be accomplished by challenging them.
The advise at 2 Timothy 2:23-26 is good for us.
23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25 Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.​

I love that advise.
It avoids challenging, and it allows me to leave a person in the spirit of peace, so that when they see me coming, rather than wanting to avoid me, they will see me as a friend.
Of course, if the person is argumentative, or just naturally aggressive, I cannot change that, but at least I try to leave on a good note, and with a friendly smile.
It might soften the person.

The JW ladies did not appear to be aggressive, argumentative, or challenging.
 
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Amen to that. God's name is Yahweh, and His Son's name is Yeshua. No idea why people are JWs. Thank you for witnessing to the Jehovah's Witness, as their doctrine has fallen short of the Gospel.

challenging - Disturbingly provocative.
challenge
  • A call to engage in a contest, fight, or competition.
  • An act or statement of defiance; a call to confrontation.
  • A demand for explanation or justification; a calling into question.
Is this the Christian way of evangelizing? Is it following the example of our lord, and his followers?
Is it a good example to set for others?

Matthew 19:3
Then some Pharisees came and tested Him by asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason?”​

Matthew 22:15-18
15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16 They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know that you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not?”​
18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me?​

The religious Pharisees, used this method, since they did not have love for people.
Jesus, on the other hand, taught his disciples the loving approach.

Matthew 10:11-13
11 When you enter any town or village, find out who is worthy, and stay there until you leave. 12 Greet a household when you enter it, 13 and if the household is worthy, let your peace be on it; but if it is unworthy, let your peace return to you.​

Finding a worthy person would not be accomplished by challenging them.
The advise at 2 Timothy 2:23-26 is good for us.
23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25 Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.​

I love that advise.
It avoids challenging, and it allows me to leave a person in the spirit of peace, so that when they see me coming, rather than wanting to avoid me, they will see me as a friend.
Of course, if the person is argumentative, or just naturally aggressive, I cannot change that, but at least I try to leave on a good note, and with a friendly smile.
It might soften the person.

The JW ladies did not appear to be aggressive, argumentative, or challenging.

challenging - Disturbingly provocative.
challenge
  • A call to engage in a contest, fight, or competition.
  • An act or statement of defiance; a call to confrontation.
  • A demand for explanation or justification; a calling into question.
Is this the Christian way of evangelizing? Is it following the example of our lord, and his followers?
Is it a good example to set for others?

Matthew 19:3
Then some Pharisees came and tested Him by asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason?”​

Matthew 22:15-18
15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16 They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know that you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not?”​
18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me?​

The religious Pharisees, used this method, since they did not have love for people.
Jesus, on the other hand, taught his disciples the loving approach.

Matthew 10:11-13
11 When you enter any town or village, find out who is worthy, and stay there until you leave. 12 Greet a household when you enter it, 13 and if the household is worthy, let your peace be on it; but if it is unworthy, let your peace return to you.​

Finding a worthy person would not be accomplished by challenging them.
The advise at 2 Timothy 2:23-26 is good for us.
23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25 Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.​

I love that advise.
It avoids challenging, and it allows me to leave a person in the spirit of peace, so that when they see me coming, rather than wanting to avoid me, they will see me as a friend.
Of course, if the person is argumentative, or just naturally aggressive, I cannot change that, but at least I try to leave on a good note,
We have several Jehovah's Witnesses around where we are. And when I am sharing the Gospel, I have one come up to me regularly and talk. We get on well and respect each other. But I have never really had any great apologetics to counter them. But this vid has now given me ammo. And the ammo is simple ammo to memorize. Awesome.
I have looked up some apologetics to counter JW's, but most of the time, the apologetics will point to John 1:1 or the apologetics will be a difficult one to memorize.

Does anyone else have simple things that may put a pin prick in their understanding?

and with a friendly smile.
It might soften the person.

The JW ladies did not appear to be aggressive, argumentative, or challenging.
 
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Yeah, I've tried a few times, but the Almighty has other plans. He doesn't want us to know everything. Man doesn't have the answers. I see a lot of " I know what's right, and you don't" on the site. God will never entrust the keys to the kingdom to man. I know we all love our particular religion, denomination, pastors, church leaders. However, God will never entrust man to have all the answers. Man is fallible and stupid to God. He chuckles at the wisdom of man. Reading the word of God is where we find life, not answers to God. God is not understandable and beyond our comprehension. To think that JW are some how doing it wrong is the same thing as saying you know for a fact everything required to enter in to the kingdom of God. He will never tell us exactly how it all works, because it all works if done with all our mind, heart, strength and soul. Luke 12:51...Most importantly, Genises 6:6
 
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Many many moons ago, when I was but a newborn babe in Christ, I was sitting in my taxi outside the Greyhound bus station in Sacramento, CA.
There were a couple of JW's doing their thing, handing out Watchtower mags on the sidewalk not far from where I was parked. I heard the Spirit of the Lord gently speak to my heart, go.
I wasn't in the habit of resisting God at that time in my life. But that morning instead of my pocket New Testament, I had left home with my big black thumper. For some odd reason, fear, embarrassment? I really don't know, but I absolutely did not want to deal with the JW's that morning. But the Spirit was very insistent. Eventually I prayed, Lord, I'll go, but you have to tell me what to say. And immediately I knew precisely what I was supposed to do.

I grabbed the bible off my dash, opened it up to the third chapter of Johns Gospel, and off I went. I asked the JW's if they could tell me what the bible said about how to get to Heaven. They rambled on a bit about some study course they offered and a few other empty words I can't recall, so I interrupted and began to read to them the words that Christ spoke to Nicodemus; "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." At which point one of the trenchcoated cultists looked me right in the eye and mockingly replied, "How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Yep, that's what he said. I've had a few come to my door in the years that have followed, I just politely send them away.
 
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