Mainline Denomination Fully Capitulates, Alters Logo to Support LGBT 'Pride'

Michie · Jun 10, 2024

While the Episcopal Church has not exactly been a bastion of conservatism and Christian orthodoxy for many years now, its recent unveiling of an LGBT “pride” logo signaled its final capitulation to secular forces.

The church — the American branch of the Anglican Communion — had already lent its public support to questionable causes over the last century.

The original Anglican branch was the first Christian denomination to approve the use of birth control in 1930, a controversial decision and capitulation to secular culture that paved the way for the support of gay rights in the 1970s and “trans” rights in the modern day.

On May 16, the Episcopal Church took things to the next level with a news release touting a “Pride shield.”

The church’s ancient shield was revised to include elements of the LGBT “Pride” and “Pride Progress” flags.

Continued below.

Episcopal Church Fully Capitulates, Alters Logo to Support LGBT 'Pride'

The Episcopal Church has yet again capitulated to secular culture by revamping its ancient shield logo with "Pride" flags.

www.westernjournal.com

PloverWing · Jun 10, 2024

CF rules do not permit me to explain or defend my church's theological position on LGBTQ issues. But I think I can make these comments and stay within CF's rules:

1) The new shield logo does not replace the old shield. It is a new logo that can be used on special occasions for which it is appropriate, but the old shield is still there for general use.

2) It is inappropriate for the Western Journal to describe the church's theology as "capitulation to secular forces". The Episcopal Church went through more than 40 years of careful theological discernment in coming to its present position. Feel free to disagree with the church (as I know most CF readers will!), but the process was not some mindless capitulation. It involved many years of careful study and prayer.

3) Contrary to Not The Bee's claim, the new shield logo does not abandon Sts. George or Andrew. Their symbols are still there.

4) Not The Bee is pretty slow in their outrage. To the best of my memory, the Episcopal Church's position on LGBTQ issues hasn't changed since 2015. Are they only just now noticing us?

Michie · Jun 10, 2024

From the op:

While the LGBT shield has not replaced the traditional shield (yet), the fact the Episcopal Church created it and encouraged its adoption symbolizes the church’s complete surrender to the forces of wokeness and the secular world.

It has spit in the face of God and ignored his clear commands just to conform to what is fashionable in society.

This illustrates the importance of Christian denominations holding fast to the doctrines and teachings of Christ in the Bible, no matter the pressure from the secular culture.

RileyG · Jun 10, 2024

Oh well. That’s their right.

I know there are some conservative dioceses in the Episcopal Church that do not support same sex marriage and so on.

That’s not exactly a blanket logo, so to speak.

RileyG · Jun 10, 2024

PloverWing said:
CF rules do not permit me to explain or defend my church's theological position on LGBTQ issues. But I think I can make these comments and stay within CF's rules:

1) The new shield logo does not replace the old shield. It is a new logo that can be used on special occasions for which it is appropriate, but the old shield is still there for general use.

2) It is inappropriate for the Western Journal to describe the church's theology as "capitulation to secular forces". The Episcopal Church went through more than 40 years of careful theological discernment in coming to its present position. Feel free to disagree with the church (as I know most CF readers will!), but the process was not some mindless capitulation. It involved many years of careful study and prayer.

3) Contrary to Not The Bee's claim, the new shield logo does not abandon Sts. George or Andrew. Their symbols are still there.

4) Not The Bee is pretty slow in their outrage. To the best of my memory, the Episcopal Church's position on LGBTQ issues hasn't changed since 2015. Are they only just now noticing us?

Thanks for your insight.

I think the Church made headlines when they consecrated openly gay Bishop Gene Robinson back in 2003. I think that’s when they first publicly began accepting practicing homosexuals.

chevyontheriver · Jun 10, 2024

PloverWing said:
2) It is inappropriate for the Western Journal to describe the church's theology as "capitulation to secular forces". The Episcopal Church went through more than 40 years of careful theological discernment in coming to its present position. Feel free to disagree with the church (as I know most CF readers will!), but the process was not some mindless capitulation. It involved many years of careful study and prayer.

I think it was 'mindful' capitulation, well considered and deliberate, nothing accidental or random or mindless about it.

PloverWing said:
4) Not The Bee is pretty slow in their outrage. To the best of my memory, the Episcopal Church's position on LGBTQ issues hasn't changed since 2015. Are they only just now noticing us?

Not The Bee hasn't been around all that long. Maybe they would have noticed in 2015 if they had been around in 2015.

RileyG · Jun 10, 2024

chevyontheriver said:
I think it was 'mindful' capitulation, well considered and deliberate, nothing accidental or random or mindless about it.

Not The Bee hasn't been around all that long. Maybe they would have noticed in 2015 if they had been around in 2015.

It was deliberate because it’s pride month.

I don’t think any Episcopalians or other Anglicans celebrate the Sacred Heart of Jesus or Immaculate Heart of Mary during June, or the feast of the body and blood of Christ.

June is a rather festive-less month for lack of a better term, so they focus on the gay “community.”

chevyontheriver · Jun 10, 2024

RileyG said:
It was deliberate because it’s pride month.

Yup.

RileyG said:
I don’t think any Episcopalians or other Anglicans celebrate the Sacred Heart of Jesus or Immaculate Heart of Mary during June, or the feast of the body and blood of Christ.

Some traditional Anglicans might. Not sure.

RileyG said:
June is a rather festive-less month for lack of a better term, so they focus on the gay “community.”

It's also warm enough that public nudity at pride parades does not result in frostbite.

RileyG · Jun 10, 2024

chevyontheriver said:
Yup.

Some traditional Anglicans might. Not sure.

It's also warm enough that public nudity at pride parades does not result in frostbite.

Only Anglo-Catholics might have those feast days, to be fair.

That’s just gross. Pride parades are full of nudity, nothing Christian or decent about them.

PloverWing · Jun 10, 2024

RileyG said:
I think the Church made headlines when they consecrated openly gay Bishop Gene Robinson back in 2003. I think that’s when they first publicly began accepting practicing homosexuals.

The canons were amended to allow gay people to be clergy in 1994, but you're correct that the consecration of Bishop Robinson was what drew international attention to the new policy.

RileyG · Jun 10, 2024

PloverWing said:
The canons were amended to allow gay people to be clergy in 1994, but you're correct that the consecration of Bishop Robinson was what drew international attention to the new policy.

Thanks for the correction.

I really do love the Episcopal Church, the Book of Common Prayer, and the wider Anglican Communion.

I’m an Anglo-loving Catholic.

PloverWing · Jun 10, 2024

RileyG said:
I don’t think any Episcopalians or other Anglicans celebrate the Sacred Heart of Jesus or Immaculate Heart of Mary during June, or the feast of the body and blood of Christ.

Here's a parish near me that celebrated the Feast of Corpus Christi this month: The Solemnity of Corpus Christi – June 2, 2024 – Christ Church, Woodbury, NJ . You're correct that it's chiefly Anglo-Catholic parishes that would observe it.

Note that Trinity Sunday often falls in June, and occasionally Pentecost does as well. When that happens, those feasts take precedence over anything else that may be going on.

chevyontheriver · Jun 10, 2024

RileyG said:
Thanks for the correction.

I really do love the Episcopal Church, the Book of Common Prayer, and the wider Anglican Communion.

I’m an Anglo-loving Catholic.

Check out the Ordinariate. They have a church in Omaha, St. Barnabas, which is in their historic building. https://saintbarnabas.net/

When I travel around the country I try to drop in on them if there is an Ordinariate church where I'm going.

We can't be full members of the Ordinariate if we weren't born Anglican or Methodist, but we can attend. They are fully Catholic. They just do things differently.

RileyG · Jun 10, 2024

chevyontheriver said:
Check out the Ordinariate. They have a church in Omaha, St. Barnabas, which is in their historic building. https://saintbarnabas.net/

When I travel around the country I try to drop in on them if there is an Ordinariate church where I'm going.

We can't be full members of the Ordinariate if we weren't born Anglican or Methodist, but we can attend. They are fully Catholic. They just do things differently.

Yes! If I’m ever in Omaha, which isn’t too far from me, I’ll definitely attend!

I was aware of them, and that Church is definitely on my bucket list!

The Liturgist · Jul 4, 2024

Michie said:
While the Episcopal Church has not exactly been a bastion of conservatism and Christian orthodoxy for many years now, its recent unveiling of an LGBT “pride” logo signaled its final capitulation to secular forces.

The church — the American branch of the Anglican Communion — had already lent its public support to questionable causes over the last century.

The original Anglican branch was the first Christian denomination to approve the use of birth control in 1930, a controversial decision and capitulation to secular culture that paved the way for the support of gay rights in the 1970s and “trans” rights in the modern day.

On May 16, the Episcopal Church took things to the next level with a news release touting a “Pride shield.”

The church’s ancient shield was revised to include elements of the LGBT “Pride” and “Pride Progress” flags.

Continued below.

Episcopal Church Fully Capitulates, Alters Logo to Support LGBT 'Pride'

The Episcopal Church has yet again capitulated to secular culture by revamping its ancient shield logo with "Pride" flags.

www.westernjournal.com

Good. That ensures the old logo, which they did not trademark, unlike the logos of most other churches, and the Church Flag, can be used by the ACNA and the Continuing Anglican churches, who have been using it since their inception, with even less risk of confusion.

Tuur · Jul 4, 2024

Michie said:
The original Anglican branch was the first Christian denomination to approve the use of birth control in 1930, a controversial decision and capitulation to secular culture that paved the way for the support of gay rights in the 1970s and “trans” rights in the modern day.

This gets into a difference between protestant and Roman Catholic beliefs. Protestants view a difference between potential life and actual life. It's also technically wrong when you look at one sure-fire means of birth control that's been in use since there were humans on earth. What's unsaid in the quoted paragraph is that birth control had an association with illicit behavior. One familiar contraceptive device dates back centuries, though it was made from different materials. Vending machines for them are way older than I am; I remember seeing them in service station men's rooms. That choice of placement has implications as to the behavior of most who dropped a coin in them.

That the writer of the article cited this as "paving the way" for the current state of affairs if on par with a certain preacher that's come under discussion here who's blamed lack of spiritual leadership by men on woman sufferage.

chevyontheriver · Jul 4, 2024

Tuur said:
This gets into a difference between protestant and Roman Catholic beliefs. Protestants view a difference between potential life and actual life.

That’s a biological determination. Potential life prior to fertilization. Actual life after fertilization.

All Protestants agreed with Catholics prior to the 1930 Anglican Lambeth Conference which made a tiny opening for contraception. Tiny but whole bus loads of Protestant denominations drove through it. Now it’s normal. And all the rationalization is normal except that rationalizing it isn’t even bothered with any more.

PloverWing · Jul 4, 2024

The Liturgist said:
Good. That ensures the old logo, which they did not trademark, unlike the logos of most other churches, and the Church Flag, can be used by the ACNA and the Continuing Anglican churches, who have been using it since their inception, with even less risk of confusion.

Do ACNA and Continuing Anglican churches use the Episcopal Church shield as their logo? They're welcome to, I guess, but it seems that it would lead to confusion for visitors who are looking for churches that are/are not inclusive of women or gay people. The logos I've seen for the non-Episcopal Anglican churches have been subtly different from the Episcopal shield, but maybe I've missed some.

okay · Jul 4, 2024

PloverWing said:
It is inappropriate for the Western Journal to describe the church's theology as "capitulation to secular forces". The Episcopal Church went through more than 40 years of careful theological discernment in coming to its present position. Feel free to disagree with the church (as I know most CF readers will!), but the process was not some mindless capitulation. It involved many years of careful study and prayer.

And this is a significant reason why I will likely switch to an Episcopal church this year. At the same time, I believe this is one of many areas where faithful, thoughtful Christians can disagree.

SoldierOfTheKing · Jul 4, 2024

Leaving aside the matter of sexual immorality, realize the church has just created a logo rendering tribute to the deadliest of the deadly sins. Might as well get on with it and design an Envy logo, a Wrath logo and a Sloth logo while they’re at it…

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