Science and the Bible

Diamond72 · Jun 4, 2024

I constantly get asked about this. The general opinion is that science does not need the Bible and the Bible does not need science. That is not true. Science and the Bible are like our left and are right hand and they should fit together like a glove fits our hand. Science needs the Bible the most. Because everything is in the Bible, so we can verify the truth of what we believe with the Bible.

So the real question is: Does the Bible need science. Paul tells us that God has revealed Himself in HIs Creation. Science is the study of God's creation. God gives us lots of artifacts and lots of natural evidence like fossils. Through Science and the Study of God's creation, we come to know our Creator. God wants us to know what He is doing so that is why there is so much for us to study in Creation using Science and the evidence Science has gathered for us.

We need to do a study on what wisdom, knowledge and understanding is. Proverbs is loaded with teaching on this. For example Proverbs 1:7 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

d taylor · Jun 4, 2024

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Concerning God's creation, i do not see the need for science to give any input on God's creation. for a believer The Bible should be enough.

But satan can see how people of God seek after worldly knowledge and beliefs. Satan first saw this in Adam and Eve. Then in God's chosen people the Hebrews who after being delivered by God out of the hand of Egypt. the Hebrews when given a chance fashioned a pagan bull to worship.

For so many believers The Word of God is not enough, they like the Hebrews must seek after the deceiving worldly knowledge. Satan sees this form the history of believers, so he fashions a creation deception through the pagan knowledge of science. Using Greek and other worldly geniuses to confidently put fourth their creation beliefs and taking in believers and of course unbelievers. So much so for believers, they adjust The Bible's creation descriptions to fit the science's deceptive version.

Diamond72 · Jun 4, 2024

d taylor said:
Concerning God's creation, i do not see the need for science to give any input on God's creation. for a believer The Bible should be enough.

We are told to study God's creation. For example I asked God a question about His justice and He told me His justice is as accurate and perfect as the entire universe. To study God's creation means to study math. You would not even have a home to sleep in if it were not for math. If you think we do not need science then you are in for a rough time. You would not even have any clothing to wear. Even Jesus was a carpenter and that requires a lot of math. Which you do not seem to think we need. Try to live without science if you think we do not need it. But chances are you would not be alive. I would not be alive having this conversation if it were not for science.

Moses and Abraham were VERY well educated in their day. They had the best education available at the time. Esp Moses. He was the son of a Pharaoh. That is why he could go before the Pharaoh. They both had the same education and they could have even been class mates. Moses was the father of civil engineering. Abraham separated Astrology from Astronomy. He was very much a scientist to separate truth from error.

Of course Moses learned a lot from his father in law too. He was both a man of science and a man of religion. Just like Abraham.

d taylor · Jun 4, 2024

Diamond7 said:
We are told to study God's creation. For example I asked God a question about His justice and He told me His justice is as accurate and perfect as the entire universe. To study God's creation means to study math. You would not even have a home to sleep in if it were not for math. If you think we do not need science then you are in for a rough time. You would not even have any clothing to wear. Even Jesus was a carpenter and that requires a lot of math. Which you do not seem to think we need. Try to live without science if you think we do not need it. But chances are you would not be alive. I would not be alive having this conversation if it were not for science.

Moses and Abraham were VERY well educated in their day. They had the best education available at the time. Esp Moses. He was the son of a Pharaoh. That is why he could go before the Pharaoh. They both had the same education and they could have even been class mates. Moses was the father of civil engineering. Abraham separated Astrology from Astronomy. He was very much a scientist to separate truth from error.

Of course Moses learned a lot from his father in law too. He was both a man of science and a man of religion. Just like Abraham.

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Never said using math, etc.. is not useful in building useful and working products for life. My post was entirely directed at bearing false witness about God's creation, which science does quite often.

Too bad you can not distinguish between the two.

Diamond72 · Jun 4, 2024

d taylor said:
Never said using math, etc..

You said all we need is the Bible. But the Bible is based on math. Not only does every Hebrew number have a mathematical value but we have added numbers to the chapter and verses. So you and me can have a conversation about the Bible because of math. I can join the party of you want to rag on the Public Educational system. But are you really ready to shut down all the schools because all we need is the Bible?

I studied the Physics of lighting when I was in college. In the beginning God created light. I think we should learn all about light if we can. I have studied the additive and the subtractive color theory. If you want to buy paint you have to understand how color absorbs and reflects light. That is all science that you think we do not need because all we need is the Bible. If you want to do photography that all works off of light.

I was a carpenter and Science gives me tools to work with. Jesus was a carpenter. You do not learn that in Bible school. I have been to an accredited Bible college for two years and I have been to the state college for two years. If you want just the Bible then you are going to need to find a cave to live in somewhere. Good luck with that.

Diamond72 · Jun 4, 2024

d taylor said:
My post was entirely directed at bearing false witness about God's creation, which science does quite often.

According to the Bible people are always guilty of what they accuse others of.
That is what it means when Jesus tells us that as we judge we shall be judged.
People maybe surprised at how much we judge ourselves.

d taylor · Jun 4, 2024

Diamond7 said:
You said all we need is the Bible. But the Bible is based on math. Not only does every Hebrew number have a mathematical value but we have added numbers to the chapter and verses. So you and me can have a conversation about the Bible because of math. I can join the party of you want to rag on the Public Educational system. But are you really ready to shut down all the schools because all we need is the Bible?

I studied the Physics of lighting when I was in college. In the beginning God created light. I think we should learn all about light if we can. I have studied the additive and the subtractive color theory. If you want to buy paint you have to understand how color absorbs and reflects light. That is all science that you think we do not need because all we need is the Bible. If you want to do photography that all works off of light.

I was a carpenter and Science gives me tools to work with. Jesus was a carpenter. You do not learn that in Bible school. I have been to an accredited Bible college for two years and I have been to the state college for two years. If you want just the Bible then you are going to need to find a cave to live in somewhere. Good luck with that.

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I said when it come to God's creation.

Diamond72 · Jun 4, 2024

d taylor said:
I said when it come to God's creation.

Do you have a question for me?

d taylor said:
My post was entirely directed at bearing false witness about God's creation, which science does quite often.

You are welcome to refute science anytime you want if you have evidence to back up what you believe.

Richard T · Jun 4, 2024

Faith is not always observable therefore religious claims are not scientific. You can say the bible true but how do you measure that truth? If prayer brings healing, you could measure it. This has been done Prayer and healing: A medical and scientific perspective on randomized controlled trials but the outcomes are somewhat mixed. Perhaps the type of prayer is important because some studies have a different definition of prayer.

Science generally tries to use observable data and hypothesis testing to see if there is a relationship that exists. Christians are mainly content on the bible. The training to apply good research methods and quantitative or qualitative analysis is not extensively taught even at the Doctorate level in Theological Studies. I think this is a untapped area. Some religious things can be tested. Giving money to others and personal income growth for instance could be measured to answer: Do those who give more in offerings etc, have a higher growth of income. The bible would say yes. But in this case we don't have to just take it by faith, we could measure a nice sample of people if we knew their giving habits and their increases in income.

Diamond72 · Jun 4, 2024

Richard T said:
This has been done Prayer and healing:

James 5:16 " The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availed much." Science has no idea what a righteous man is and they have no idea what effectual fervent prayer is. They want to do double blind studies. The people praying do not know what they are praying for and the people in need of healing do not know that they are being prayed for. Just knowing someone is praying for them is the power of suggestion which is very powerful. But it is limited. We know God is at work when we go beyond what a placebo will do. Although now they test one medicine against another to see which one gets the best results.

The people who do research work tell us that the results they get are based on how the study is set up.

SavedByGrace3 · Jun 4, 2024

From a literal reading of this phrase, what would you expect to see happen?

Genesis 1:11-12 KJV
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

d taylor · Jun 4, 2024

Diamond7 said:
Do you have a question for me?

You are welcome to refute science anytime you want if you have evidence to back up what you believe.

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Really nothing to ask, i believe i understand your position. I do not see The Bible as needing science or science needing The Bible. As an atheist can build a bridge as well as a christian believer.

Diamond72 · Jun 4, 2024

d taylor said:
As an atheist can build a bridge as well as a christian believer.

That is the beauty of it all. The atheist's are honoring God. Christians are attacking them but they are doing more to honor God then the Christians are. They are telling us more about Creation then Christians and the Bible tells us.

d taylor · Jun 4, 2024

Diamond7 said:
That is the beauty of it all. The atheist's are honoring God. Christians are attacking them but they are doing more to honor God then the Christians are. They are telling us more about Creation then Christians and the Bible tells us.

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Balderdash

Diamond72 · Jun 5, 2024

d taylor said:
But satan can see how people of God seek after worldly knowledge and beliefs.

What is worldly knowledge and beliefs. The discussion has to do with the evidence God gives us to study. LIke fossils and remains from the past that God has preserved for us to study. My son and I talk about this. When he took Biology there were people who wanted to fight and argue about what was written in their book. I told him to stay away from them. Just read the book and pass the tests. He simply did not have time for that sort of distraction. So now he has a degree in computer engineering and he graduated Cum laude ( "with praise" or "with honor".)

What has he accomplished? He worked for Smuckers in college on the cameras that monitor their machinery. He worked on robotics for Amazon warehouses. He is now working on building secure communication networks for drug companies and also a program to provide the FCC with the information on what ingredients go into a drug or the pills we buy from the pharmacy. My concern is pharmacy in the Bible is witchcraft. He believes this has to do with people who abuse drugs and not legal prescribed drugs.

I wonder what contribution to society the people who want to argue against science. What have they accomplished with their life and how is this a better world because of their contribution? I like to argue about this as much as anyone. But there is a time and a place and people need to do their homework so they know what they trying to argue against. Science is all about objective and open discussion.

The discussion and debate with text books is a open discussion for everyone. I think we do a pretty good job of keeping the books in line with what is true, established and proven. There is a huge amount of accountability and the books are constantly revised and updated. I told my son to take a literature class once. His text book had been revised 22 times. HOW can that be. The stories themselves do not change. Do they even use books or is it all online now a days?

Jipsah · Jun 7, 2024

d taylor said:
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Concerning God's creation, i do not see the need for science to give any input on God's creation. for a believer The Bible should be enough.

Well, if you're depending on the Bible for eny kind of engineering data you're up a stump. I was/am an Electrical Engineer, and if I had to depend on the Bible for info on how to build a simple tank circuit (or much of anything else, for that matter) it simply wouldn't get built. So say bye bye to pretty much all the technology we live and die byu in the 21st century. Same for most science driven fields. Better send off to the Amish for some brochures.

d taylor said:
But satan can see how people of God seek after worldly knowledge and beliefs.

I notice you're a regular user of computers. Physician, better medicate thine own self... except the Biblw doesn't provide us any info for developin medicines. Hmmmm....

d taylor said:
Satan first saw this in Adam and Eve.

Satan's hind leg. Are we reduced to invoking Old Nick to to try and scare us into believing arglebargle?

d taylor said:
Then in God's chosen people the Hebrews who after being delivered by God out of the hand of Egypt. the Hebrews when given a chance fashioned a pagan bull to worship.

Which had what precisely to do with science?

d taylor said:
For so many believers The Word of God is not enough, they like the Hebrews must seek after the deceiving worldly knowledge.

Codswallop. If you really believed that you'd be living in a log shack in the woods.

d taylor said:
Satan sees this form the history of believers

There's Old Nick again, the Cosmic Loser. I ain't impressed with him on any level,

d taylor said:
, so he fashions a creation deception through the pagan knowledge of science.

So he deceives us into believing that gravity keeps us from buzzing around streetlights with the moths, and that in an electric circuit Amps= Volts/Ohms. Pure Paganism!

Science says "let's look at God's Creation and see what He did". I don't see a problem with that.

Diamond72 · Jun 8, 2024

Jipsah said:
Better send off to the Amish for some brochures.

I worked with the Amish for 20 years. Most of them are really Mennonites and don't let them trick you a lot goes with them. The young people are allowed to go wild for a year later on in their teens so there are a lot of sex, drugs & drinking involved in that. A lot of them carry cell phones. Then each individual church will pick and choose from there. So if it is to strict they can change to a different church.

The Barbarian · Jul 4, 2024

Diamond7 said:
So the real question is: Does the Bible need science. Paul tells us that God has revealed Himself in HIs Creation. Science is the study of God's creation. God gives us lots of artifacts and lots of natural evidence like fossils. Through Science and the Study of God's creation, we come to know our Creator. God wants us to know what He is doing so that is why there is so much for us to study in Creation using Science and the evidence Science has gathered for us.

The "invisible things clearly seen" in Romans 1:20 shows us that it's not analysis of scientific data that makes clear God's power and majesty. Science can't do that, even if scientists can.

d taylor · Jul 4, 2024

Jipsah said:
Well, if you're depending on the Bible for eny kind of engineering data you're up a stump. I was/am an Electrical Engineer, and if I had to depend on the Bible for info on how to build a simple tank circuit (or much of anything else, for that matter) it simply wouldn't get built. So say bye bye to pretty much all the technology we live and die byu in the 21st century. Same for most science driven fields. Better send off to the Amish for some brochures.

I notice you're a regular user of computers. Physician, better medicate thine own self... except the Biblw doesn't provide us any info for developin medicines. Hmmmm....

Satan's hind leg. Are we reduced to invoking Old Nick to to try and scare us into believing arglebargle?

Which had what precisely to do with science?

Codswallop. If you really believed that you'd be living in a log shack in the woods.

There's Old Nick again, the Cosmic Loser. I ain't impressed with him on any level,

So he deceives us into believing that gravity keeps us from buzzing around streetlights with the moths, and that in an electric circuit Amps= Volts/Ohms. Pure Paganism!

Science says "let's look at God's Creation and see what He did". I don't see a problem with that.

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Looks like satan has realized there are bunch of ole christian's who actually have more faith in science than in their religion. So looks like he has crafted a counterfeit creation and got them to believe a bunch of science lies about God's creation and looks like satan's idea has worked well.

Jipsah · Jul 5, 2024

d taylor said:
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Looks like satan has realized there are bunch of ole christian's who actually have more faith in science than in their religion.

Give it a rest, mate, You're not posting your stuff on a steam-powered computer.Use the Bible as the source for designing a new coal-fired processor and get back to us.

d taylor said:
So looks like he has crafted a counterfeit creation and got them to believe a bunch of science

Which you use to power your car, and your radio, and your teevee, nd your clothes washer, ad infinitum. You like science just fine when it suits you.

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