So have my progressive friends including me. I remember my camp counselor forcing all of us boys into the shower which was called a KYBO (keep your body orderly). I was shy but I did it. We all got naked and went into the communal showers. It's not really a matter of being progressive, it's a matter of the times changing and people wanting privacy when they shower. Quick story, my mother told me how when she was forced to shower after gym class, she shared the shower with the other girl who had physically developed into a woman. The other kids still had their itty bitties but she felt more comfortable with her. I'm sure she would have felt even more comfortable in a private shower.
Okay. I showered with boys in gym class all through highschool and college. I never demanded the school give me a private shower and I never demand d to shower with the girls. So your thoughts don't counyer anything I said.
I'm not DEMANDING private rooms, I am advocating for private showers. In the conservative utopia like capitalism should bear out the fact that people want privacy. If you can't adjust to that you just go out of business. That's the capitalist way, adapt or close down. I'm not advocating for new laws to be passed requiring private showers. I'm saying that if I have a choice, I'm going to a gym with private showers regardless of the genitals contained in the next shower. It seem to only be conservatives that want to shower in the midst of a dozen other boys. Maybe it's so we can all see what the other boys have, I don't know but there seems to be resistance to anything that provides privacy. I wonder why that is.
Okay that's good. That's the first time you actually clarified that you aren't calling for any laws. Usually and advocacy involves that. If I advocate for the protection of endangered species that generally means I want laws that protect endangered species. If I advocate for clean air I usually want laws to require a reduction in air pollution.
In your advocacy are you going around to your business and advocating there or just on line in a forum?
And you are continuing to gaslight us in regards to this issue. Cause I didn't t recall a SINGLE person in this board saying they "want to shower in the midst of a dozen boys". And it's quite disgusting to suggest that we see what other boys have. What's wrong with you saying stuff like that?
The resistance comes for our concerns that you are calling for a mandate. Now that we know your not you are free to advocate all you want.
And to be clear again. I'd be fine if a business, school or whatever decides to create those things in their business. I used one while we were visiting Portland last year. We were in a store that had all private bathrooms. We were perfectly fine with that.
And I bw fine with that if my gym dis the same thing with private rooms with showers toilets etc. But if my cost went up too much to pay for that, I guess I'd go somewhere that didnt have that. I can afford only so much.
As we've been saying all along. It's not necessary. It's a luxury. But you are free to advocate for it and if you can convince a business.or gym to do it then good for you.
But I'm still skeptical of your motivations here. I think all your advocacy for these private spaces solely related to transgender people. I noticed you didn't claim to be advocating for this before the trans issues became a real thing.
But I do note that you are not for creating laws to require it. So I don't know if we have much more to talk about on this. Unless.you keep making false and inflammatory claims.
