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AV1611VET · Mar 26, 2024

BeyondET said:
That's how your imagination gets you wondering around in darkness.

The clouds are not in outerspace neither is the ground that opened up and you even failed to mention that part of the account.

I take it you're not familiar with the Water Canopy Theory?

The canopy theory seeks to explain the reference in Genesis 1:6 to “the waters above the firmament,” assuming that “firmament,” or “expanse,” as the Hebrew word is alternatively translated, refers to our atmosphere. According to the canopy theory, there was a canopy of water above the atmosphere until the cataclysm of Noah’s day, at which point it disappeared either by collapsing upon the earth or dissipating into space. It is presumed to have consisted of water vapor because a canopy of ice could not have survived the constant bombardment of celestial objects like meteoroids which perpetually barrage the earth’s atmosphere.

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I don't adhere to it, myself.

But I believe that, had you known it, you wouldn't have misunderstood what I said.

BeyondET · Mar 26, 2024

AV1611VET said:
I take it you're not familiar with the Water Canopy Theory?

The canopy theory seeks to explain the reference in Genesis 1:6 to “the waters above the firmament,” assuming that “firmament,” or “expanse,” as the Hebrew word is alternatively translated, refers to our atmosphere. According to the canopy theory, there was a canopy of water above the atmosphere until the cataclysm of Noah’s day, at which point it disappeared either by collapsing upon the earth or dissipating into space. It is presumed to have consisted of water vapor because a canopy of ice could not have survived the constant bombardment of celestial objects like meteoroids which perpetually barrage the earth’s atmosphere.

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I don't adhere to it, myself.

But I believe that, had you known it, you wouldn't have misunderstood what I said.

Ive heard of it and It's well known there are no stars in our atmosphere. The Hebrew word for expanse.

BeyondET · Mar 26, 2024

AV1611VET said:
I don't adhere to it, myself.

But I believe that, had you known it, you wouldn't have misunderstood what I said.

Hmm if I had understood you don't adhere to it, I wouldn't have misunderstood what you said. Please explain that one?

AV1611VET · Mar 26, 2024

BeyondET said:
Ive heard of it and It's well known there are no stars in our atmosphere. The Hebrew word for expanse.

Correct.

There are no stars in our atmosphere (First Heaven).

The stars are in outer space (Second Heaven).

AV1611VET · Mar 26, 2024

BeyondET said:
Hmm if I had understood you don't adhere to it, I wouldn't have misunderstood what you said. Please explain that one?

Correct.

I don't adhere to it.

If you ask me, I say the waters were either put on the moon, or on Mars, to await the Flood.

BeyondET · Mar 26, 2024

AV1611VET said:
Correct.

There are no stars in our atmosphere (First Heaven).

The stars are in outer space (Second Heaven).

Stars as far as the bible mentions are the wondering stars, aka planets.

AV1611VET · Mar 26, 2024

BeyondET said:
Stars as far as the bible mentions are the wondering stars, aka planets.

Here's a little creationism test I once made up:

1. Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.
2. What was the first object in the universe that had mass?
3. Eden in the Bible is known as __________ on a secular map.
4. What literary device reconciles Genesis 1 and Genesis 2?
5. Put the following in order that they appeared in the universe: whales, stars, trees, sun, land, sea, outer space.
6. What day was Adam created on?
7. Was the universe created a closed system and, if not, what kind of energy did it run off of? if it was created open, what closed it?
8. Describe terra aqua and what kind of water it consisted of and why.
9. Photosynthesis required light from the sun prior to the Fall. true or false?
10. Explain how a 24-hour day could transpire before the sun was created.
11. Explain the difference between "miracles" and "magic."
12. When discussing Creationism, why should one never let himself stray from Genesis 1 or 2?
13. Why is "heaven" singular in Genesis 1, but plural in Genesis 2?

AV1611VET · Mar 26, 2024

BeyondET said:
Stars as far as the bible mentions are the wondering stars, aka planets.

What's this then?

Amos 5:8 Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name:

BeyondET · Mar 26, 2024

AV1611VET said:
What's this then?

Amos 5:8 Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name:

So do think the seven brightest stars of the constellation Orion are not the lights in the expanse but of the stars He made at the end of verse 16?

Gen 1
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years. 15 And let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. And He made the stars as well.

AV1611VET · Mar 26, 2024

BeyondET said:
So do think the seven brightest stars of the constellation Orion are not the lights in the expanse but of the stars He made at the end of verse 16?

Yes.

Assuming that, by "expanse," you're talking about the atmosphere.

Did you know that Jesus is portrayed in the constellations?

My favorite example is Aries.

The Greeks taught that Aries was a ram.

But the Hebrews knew Aries as a lamb.

Specifically, the Lamb of God.

When the sun went dark for three hours at Jesus' crucifixion, what constellation do you suppose they saw, when they looked up?

You got it -- Aries, the Lamb of God, slain from the foundation of the world.

Gemini is another.

The Greeks taught that Gemini were twins.

Two different people.

But the Hebrews knew Gemini as one and the same Person.

The King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.

Neat, huh?

BeyondET · Mar 26, 2024

AV1611VET said:
Yes.

Assuming that, by "expanse," you're talking about the atmosphere.

Did you know that Jesus is portrayed in the constellations?

My favorite example is Aries.

The Greeks taught that Aries was a ram.

But the Hebrews knew Aries as a lamb.

Specifically, the Lamb of God.

When the sun went dark for three hours at Jesus' crucifixion, what constellation do you suppose they saw, when they looked up?

You got it -- Aries, the Lamb of God, slain from the foundation of the world.

Gemini is another.

The Greeks taught that Gemini were twins.

Two different people.

But the Hebrews knew Gemini as one and the same Person.

The King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.

Neat, huh?

Constellations are not in Earth's atmosphere.

I am an Aries, so thanks for sharing those things and it's pretty cool I'll agree.

They saw none because of the dark clouds above.

AV1611VET · Mar 26, 2024

BeyondET said:
Constellations are not in Earth's atmosphere.

Correct.

Constellations are not in Earth's atmosphere.

BeyondET said:
I am an Aries, so thanks for sharing those things and it's pretty cool I'll agree.

You're welcome.

I'm a Gemini.

BeyondET said:
They saw none because of the dark clouds above.

Is that what academia teaches today?

BeyondET · Mar 26, 2024

AV1611VET said:
Correct.

Constellations are not in Earth's atmosphere.

You're welcome.

I'm a Gemini.

Is that what academia teaches today?

Rgr that

Or an eclipse of the sun, seems more plausible than clouds I mentioned.

AV1611VET · Mar 26, 2024

BeyondET said:
Or an eclipse of the sun, seems more plausible than clouds I mentioned.

The longest solar eclipse on record is 7 minutes and 27 seconds.

BeyondET · Mar 26, 2024

AV1611VET said:
The longest solar eclipse on record is 7 minutes and 27 seconds.

How far back does the records go? Then dark clouds may be the answer. I doubt seriously God stopped the nuclear fusion in the sun for 3 hours. If that had happened there wouldn't have been anyone standing around. They would of fled scared to death.

AV1611VET · Mar 26, 2024

BeyondET said:
How far back does the records go?

5 March 1223 BC

BeyondET · Mar 26, 2024

AV1611VET said:
5 March 1223 BC

Then it's dark cloud cover or could He had extended the eclipse?

Astrophile · Mar 26, 2024

BeyondET said:
How far back does the records go? Then dark clouds may be the answer. I doubt seriously God stopped the nuclear fusion in the sun for 3 hours. If that had happened there wouldn't have been anyone standing around. They would of fled scared to death.

If nuclear fusion in the Sun's core were to stop for three hours the Sun would still go on shining during that time. The radiation produced by nuclear fusion in the core takes tens or hundreds of thousands of years to reach the Sun's surface, so changes in the core take a long time to produce detectable variations at the surface.

Astrophile · Mar 26, 2024

BeyondET said:
So do think the seven brightest stars of the constellation Orion are not the lights in the expanse but of the stars He made at the end of verse 16?

Gen 1
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years. 15 And let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. And He made the stars as well.

The 'seven stars' of Amos 5:8 are probably the Pleiades, not the stars of Orion.

davetaff · Mar 27, 2024

AV1611VET said:
Am I reading this correctly?

The Flood was in 2348 BC.

4000 years after the Flood would make it AD 2349.

Hi were do you get 2348 BC from I cant find it in scripture

Love and Peace
Dave

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