Just to bring the Israel/Palestinian war into perspective.

hislegacy said:

Their hearts and minds will never progress past their need to see every Jew in Israel dead.

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Then the answer must be to kill every Palestinian?

hislegacy said:

When will the Palestinian think they have killed enough? Answer - when there are none left.

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Kinda sounds like Israel’s approach that you and Landon seem to think is perfectly fine. Why is it wrong for one and not the other?

GoldenBoy89 said:

Then the answer must be to kill every Palestinian?

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Not at all, not at all... Just apply the 30× worse policy every time. That's all.

Landon Caeli said:

What about Mohammed? And his worshippers?

...Basically what you're saying is that Muslims can kill Christians and Jews, rape our wives and children, and all we can do about it is turn the other cheek so they can do it again next time they feel like it. Nope, not happening. We're going to *solve* this problem using hard methods.

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Sounds almost as if you are advocating not just murder but genocide.

Landon Caeli said:

Not at all, not at all... Just apply the 30× worse policy every time. That's all.

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Why that number?

GoldenBoy89 said:

Why that number?

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Oh why that number? Well that's the fatality difference today between Oct. 7 deaths and current Palestinian deaths. It could be higher, which might make it more effective.

DaisyDay said:

Sounds almost as if you are advocating not just murder but genocide.

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Why would it be genocide? I feel like that word is being thrown around a bit too loosely these days.

Landon Caeli said:

Why would it be genocide? I feel like that word is being thrown around a bit too loosely these days.

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Do you prefer “ethnic cleansing”?

It's sounding like a lot of soft calls for the genocide of Palestinians in this thread

rambot said:

It's sounding like a lot of soft calls for the genocide of Palestinians in this thread

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Except nobody is trying to wipe out any "group" but rather, an attitude or behavior. Stop killing Jews! That's all we're trying to do here.

...But I get it, trying to stop Palestinian terrorism is "genocide" to the left, just like securing the southern border is automatically "racism". Anyone who loves their country is a "nationalist".

Pretty soon, nobody is going to care about these labels, if we keep misusing them. Then what?

Landon Caeli said:

Except nobody is trying to wipe out any "group" but rather, an attitude or behavior. Stop killing Jews! That's all we're trying to do here.

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A kid bullies kids at school. Kid gets home and dad hears about it. Parent beats the ABSOLUTE bricks out of his son to teach him a lesson.

Pray; what lesson does the son learn here?
Hint; it's not...it's wrong to hit people.

Landon Caeli said:

...But I get it, hurting Palestinians

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What's wrong with you?
What is so messed up that you characterize what has happened to Palestinian citizens as hurting?

Landon Caeli said:

Pretty soon, nobody is going to care about these labels, if we keep misusing them. Then what?

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It's been pretty clear Republicans have rarely been I interested in word definitions so why start now?

Just like how this is yet another land grab by Israel.

rambot said:

What's wrong with you?
What is so messed up that you......

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Okay, we're discussing content of posts, not each other. All the Republicans know and talk about how liberals always go for the cheap personal shots. I just don't understand why it has to happen every, single, conversation, when everyone knows it's wrong, but it's going to happen anyway. Do you why you guys keep doing that? Is it total disregard and not caring about rules? Or is it truly an accident that can't be controlled like tourette syndrome?

Seriously, I have to know why.

Landon Caeli said:

You say: this "let's hurt those people over there so they can't be a danger to me" attitude isn't Christian.

...Yet my Church teaches a Just War doctrine, where nations can go to war and even kill.

Are you suggesting that the Catholic Church isn't Christian? I mean, that's what you just said in the red above.

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That isn't Just War doctrine. Pro-actively hurting people is not, and never has been Just War doctrine. And I suspect most Catholics, globally, wouldn't support your position--including the current (and previous) occupants of St. Peter's Chair.

-CryptoLutheran

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Okay, we're discussing content of posts, not each other. All the Republicans know and talk about how liberals always go for the cheap personal shots. I just don't understand why it has to happen every, single, conversation, when everyone knows it's wrong, but it's going to happen anyway. Do you why you guys keep doing that? Is it total disregard and not caring about rules? Or is it truly an accident that can't be controlled like tourette syndrome?

Seriously, I have to know why.

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All sorts of stupid people make cheap shots , Does this mean I can propose anything and claim anyone that criticizes what I say has some sort of mental disorder?

The Ottoman Empire: "We're not genociding the Armenians, trust us bro"
Israel: "We're not genociding the Palestinians, trust us bro"

-CryptoLutheran

Landon Caeli said:

It could be higher, which might make it more effective.

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That would be a good thing, right?

ViaCrucis said:

The Ottoman Empire: "We're not genociding the Armenians, trust us bro"
Israel: "We're not genociding the Palestinians, trust us bro"

-CryptoLutheran

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Hey! They're not killing EVERYONE so obviously this is the principled and ethical position.

ViaCrucis said:

That isn't Just War doctrine. Pro-actively hurting people is not, and never has been Just War doctrine. And I suspect most Catholics, globally, wouldn't support your position--including the current (and previous) occupants of St. Peter's Chair.

-CryptoLutheran

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I would also feel better if it didn't appear that they held such disdain and disregard for human beings...like...well someone HAS to die...maybe even something like sadness, pity, regret, grief...something. But there seems to be this sense of righteousness in their position as humans get slaughtered and children get starved.

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Oh why that number? Well that's the fatality difference today between Oct. 7 deaths and current Palestinian deaths. It could be higher, which might make it more effective.

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The Catechism of the Catholic Church, on the conditions which must be met for conflict be regarded just.

"The fifth commandment forbids the intentional destruction of human life. Because of the evils and injustices that accompany all war, the Church insistently urges everyone to prayer and to action so that the divine Goodness may free us from the ancient bondage of war.

All citizens and all governments are obliged to work for the avoidance of war. However, 'as long as the danger of war persists and there is no international authority with the necessary competence and power, governments cannot be denied the right of lawful self-defense, once all peace efforts have failed.'

The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:

- the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
- all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
- there must be serious prospects of success;
- the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs heavily in evaluating this condition.

These are the traditional elements in what is called the 'just war' doctrine.

The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good." - CCC, paragraphs 2307-2309

Pertaining to moral considerations of armed conflict:

"The Church and human reason both assert the permanent validity of the moral law during armed conflict. 'The mere fact that war has regrettably broken out does not mean that everything becomes licit between the warring parties.'

Non combatants, wounded soldiers, and prisoners must be respected and treated humanely.

Actions deliberately contrary to the law of nations and to its universal principles are crimes, as are the orders that command such actions. Blind obedience does not suffice to excuse those who carry them out. Thus the extermination of a people, nation, or ethnic minority must be condemned as a mortal sin. One is morally bound to resist orders that command genocide.

'Every act of war directed to the indiscriminate destruction of whole cities or vast areas with their inhabitants is a crime against God and man, which merits firm and unequivocal condemnation.' A danger of modern warfare is that it provides the opportunity to those who possess modern scientific weapons--especially atomic, biological, or chemical weapons--to commit such crimes." - CCC, paragraphs 2312-2314


-CryptoLutheran