Are AI Products really "Le Creme de la Creme"?

Bradskii · Nov 14, 2023

Belk said:
The Man with Two Brains

Who can forget (or pronounce) the hero, Dr. Michael Hfuhruhurr.

Hvizsgyak · Nov 25, 2023

Pommer said:
If God as Father is “good”, why wouldn’t “Grandfather” be, too?

All the turkey I ate for Thanksgiving must have dulled my comprehensive thinking skills. I'm not following your question too well :scratch:

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FireDragon76 · Nov 26, 2023

Hvizsgyak said:
With today's AI, the Holy Spirit may work with the AI to help the person using the AI get a grammatically correct and smoother flowing written piece like Laodicean60 suggested in one of his posts. But to give the AI a few choice words or a theme and letting the AI generate a "Spirit" driven written output, no I don't think God the Father intended the Holy Spirit for such tasks. Again, the Holy Spirit would work through whom It wanted to produce a masterpiece of written output. God is concerned only with His human creations not AI.

AI is an extension of humanity. It's technology. Technology has always been part of our humanity.

Stephen3141 · Dec 30, 2023

You should start by pointing out that "artificial intelligence" as defined
by Computer Science (its inventor), is the emulation of complex human problem
solving by a machine. (Specifically, a computer.)

Computer Science recognizes a hierarchy of difficulty, in problems.
Doing huge numbers of mathematical calculations, quickly, is not AI.
Searching through huge databases/dictionaries quickly, is not AI.
Playing chess, a pretty simple game, is not really AI.
A computer taking over some human task, is not necessarily AI.
Search algorithms, are not AI.
Doing simple tasks, very quickly, is not AI.

In Computer Science, AI is the emulation of complex human problem
solving, by a machine.

Most of the "AI" programs today, use a common machine learning
approach, such as neural nets. These are the weakest forms of AI
algorithms. They are also sublogical, so their results cannot be
explained with logical answers ("logical", meaning in human
explanations that refer to words in human language).

Note that much computer programming is based on mathematics, or
concepts that can be encoded as numbers. But, this type of program cannot
reason about values, and morality-ethics. That, is a much more difficult
type of reasoning. (This is why moral-ethical reasoning is not included in
most of the "AI" tools that are being put out.)

You can talk about some AI tool writing an article. But, Some human being
has got to added input into the front end of the design, in order to guide a
"learning" program what truth is. Truth, is not the most common opinion out
there. And "truth" must correlate with reality, and not merely be fantasy.
In the world of abstract thoughts, it is enormously difficult to teach a computer
program how to hunt down truth, as opposed to bad information that someone
happened to make public on the web.
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For all these reasons, Christians should draw back from the idea that an AI
software package is going to produce a sound evaluation of some topic.
Especially, topics that are based on morality-ethics.

Bradskii · Dec 30, 2023

ThatRobGuy said:
So at the very least, it's good news that OpenAI hasn't tapped into my internet history yet.

I just gave my forum name and the name of this forum to ChatGPT and asked If it could tell if I was a Christian. It replied:

'No, I don't have the ability to access external websites, including specific forums. My design is centered around respecting user privacy and confidentiality.'

RDKirk · Dec 30, 2023

Laodicean60 said:
I love new technology and I think AI will do humankind some good but there are also bad actors. As a kid, I thought we'd be on a starship by now. Peace

I didn't expect a starship, but as a teenager in 1969, I certainly did expect by now we'd have a moon base, a torus space station with a Hilton Hotel in it, and Pan-Am suborbital business flights. We don't have the moon base, we don't have the space station. We don't even have Pan-Am anymore.

RDKirk · Dec 30, 2023

Nithavela said:
Do you think that the holy spirit is unable to inspire an AI to output something?

Why would He? He communicates directly with believers...why would He interpose an artificial device between Him and us?

RDKirk · Dec 30, 2023

ThatRobGuy said:
Whoever thought misinformation and self-conflicting views would be our saviors against the robot uprising? lol

I say that only semi-facetiously.

Given that the backbone of AI is data (objective) and opinions (subjective) and feedback (also subjective), it stands to reason that the pattern of "garbage in, garbage out" applies just like it does with most other algorithms.

I'm not sure it gets uncontaminated data. For instance, there are gobs of nutritional studies that directly contradict one another (largely depending on who paid for them). What does AI do with contradictory "data?"

RDKirk · Dec 30, 2023

Nithavela said:
It appears that at least the text generation part is actually deteriorating when trained with current internet texts, because it is trained with AI text, which appears to do weird things to the algorythms.

Well, the bulk of current Internet texts is written by people who don't know Standard English. Social media far eclipses anything else.

Bradskii · Dec 30, 2023

RDKirk said:
I didn't expect a starship, but as a teenager in 1969, I certainly did expect by now we'd have a moon base, a torus space station with a Hilton Hotel in it, and Pan-Am suborbital business flights. We don't have the moon base, we don't have the space station. We don't even have Pan-Am anymore.

I just watched the film again a few days ago. Gee, I'd forgotten how sloooow it was.

Bradskii · Dec 30, 2023

RDKirk said:
I'm not sure it gets uncontaminated data. For instance, there are gobs of nutritional studies that directly contradict one another (largely depending on who paid for them). What does AI do with contradictory "data?"

We'll get to the point where It will tell us what diet is optimal for any given person, depending on the preferred outcome. We're probably there now.

I read something regarding AI recently that said we already have the knowledge to cure cancer. It just that the knowledge is so fractured it's impossible to correlate it. There are gazillions of data points covering molecular biology, genetics, endocronology, physiology, chemistry etc. People spend years heading in one particular direction only to find it's a dead end. AI will look at all the possibilities using all the available information in a tiny fraction of the time that we could do it.

RDKirk · Dec 30, 2023

Bradskii said:
We'll get to the point where It will tell us what diet is optimal for any given person, depending on the preferred outcome. We're probably there now.

I read something regarding AI recently that said we already have the knowledge to cure cancer. It just that the knowledge is so fractured it's impossible to correlate it. There are gazillions of data points covering molecular biology, genetics, endocronology, physiology, chemistry etc. People spend years heading in one particular direction only to find it's a dead end. AI will look at all the possibilities using all the available information in a tiny fraction of the time that we could do it.

But once again, what does it do with contradictory data from equally established sources?

That was always a problem in the intelligence business, and the real reason we didn't do torture...torture generally produces information contradictory from our own sources because tortured prisoners always lie to some degree. But once contradictory data is in the database, you no longer know what's real.

Nithavela · Dec 30, 2023

RDKirk said:
Why would He? He communicates directly with believers...why would He interpose an artificial device between Him and us?

Not what I asked.

Bradskii · Dec 30, 2023

RDKirk said:
But once again, what does it do with contradictory data from equally established sources?

If it's the hard data that's contradictory then yeah, that's a problem. How AI determines which is the valid data...I don't know. I'd assume it would give answers relevant to each data set and give a figure comparing the reliability of each.

RDKirk · Dec 30, 2023

Nithavela said:
Not what I asked.

My answer to your question is: He would not. His information is for all the Church through all the time, not just for a few people who got access at this late date to an AI engine.

Nithavela · Dec 30, 2023

RDKirk said:
My answer to your question is: He would not. His information is for all the Church through all the time, not just for a few people who got access at this late date to an AI engine.

So, is it able or not?

Hans Blaster · Dec 30, 2023

Bradskii said:
I read something regarding AI recently that said we already have the knowledge to cure cancer. It just that the knowledge is so fractured it's impossible to correlate it. There are gazillions of data points covering molecular biology, genetics, endocronology, physiology, chemistry etc. People spend years heading in one particular direction only to find it's a dead end. AI will look at all the possibilities using all the available information in a tiny fraction of the time that we could do it.

This sounds like the kind of things the techno-fantasists would say. Cancer is many diseases with differences in how they behave and respond to attack.

Laodicean60 · Dec 30, 2023

Hans Blaster said:
This sounds like the kind of things the techno-fantasists would say. Cancer is many diseases with differences in how they behave and respond to attack.

I would say lower consumption of sugar would be worth a try for prevention.
"Multiple approaches to reducing glycolytic flux are being considered as potential cancer therapies (Figure 2 and Table 1). In one strategy, patients eat low-carbohydrate diets, thus starving their tumors of glucose, and it was shown to be promising in a recent pilot study.14"

Is Cancer a Metabolic Disease? - PMC

Although cancer has historically been viewed as a disorder of proliferation, recent evidence has suggested that it should also be considered a metabolic disease. Growing tumors rewire their metabolic programs to meet and even exceed the bioenergetic ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Bradskii · Dec 30, 2023

Hans Blaster said:
This sounds like the kind of things the techno-fantasists would say. Cancer is many diseases with differences in how they behave and respond to attack.

You're right. I guess I should have said cancers - plural. As I'm talking about diseases in general. From what I've been reading, to cure melanomas for example, it's not that we don't already have all the information that we need. We have all the pieces of this galactically large scientific jigsaw puzzle. It's that we just don't know which pieces we actually need to use and how they fit together.

Bradskii · Dec 30, 2023

Laodicean60 said:
I would say lower consumption of sugar would be worth a try for prevention.
"Multiple approaches to reducing glycolytic flux are being considered as potential cancer therapies (Figure 2 and Table 1). In one strategy, patients eat low-carbohydrate diets, thus starving their tumors of glucose, and it was shown to be promising in a recent pilot study.14"

Is Cancer a Metabolic Disease? - PMC

Although cancer has historically been viewed as a disorder of proliferation, recent evidence has suggested that it should also be considered a metabolic disease. Growing tumors rewire their metabolic programs to meet and even exceed the bioenergetic ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Now if the AI was powerful enough, then it could model that process, account for a huge number of variables and determine an outcome. From here: How AI Found the Words to Kill Cancer Cells

'Using new machine learning techniques, researchers at UC San Francisco, in collaboration with a team at IBM Research, have developed a virtual molecular library of thousands of “command sentences” for cells, based on combinations of “words” that guided engineered immune cells to seek out and tirelessly kill cancer cells.

The advance allows scientists to predict which elements – natural or synthesized – they should include in a cell to give it the precise behaviors required to respond effectively to complex diseases.'

Are AI Products really "Le Creme de la Creme"?

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