Nebraska governor signs order narrowly defining sex as that assigned at birth

Servus · Sep 28, 2023

Bradskii said:
No. I wasn't born female, I don't identify as female and I have not transgendered to female. So I hang out in the same toilet with those who were born male, identify as male or have transgendered to male.

But if you claim to be a woman in your head, you should automatically be allowed to go into their restrooms, locker rooms and showers etc.

Servus · Sep 28, 2023

This is a situation where women and women's rights are being protected.

And there's a fight to eliminate that in favor of trans rights.

I wouldn't be surprised if terms like 'biological privilege' and 'biological supremacy' start being used, and 'critical gender theory' starts being taught in schools.

Servus · Sep 28, 2023

It makes about as much sense as a 25 year old being able to collect full social security benefits because he identifies as a 67 year old.

Yeah but what if he gets himself surgically and or cosmetically altered to look like a 67 year old? lol

LovebirdsFlying · Sep 28, 2023

For what it's worth: I think a lot of the debate would be unnecessary if public buildings had restroom areas that looked something like this. I'm an amateur architect, and I create floor plans as a hobby. Note that I may have the accessible bars misplaced. This was hastily put together and I didn't do full research. But you'll notice that each area is self-contained. If people are in there alone, who cares what body parts anybody has? I wonder how practical this would be. Unfortunately, I don't see many owners of public buildings willing to make the upgrade.

Bradskii · Sep 28, 2023

LovebirdsFlying said:
For what it's worth: I think a lot of the debate would be unnecessary if public buildings had restroom areas that looked something like this. I'm an amateur architect, and I create floor plans as a hobby. Note that I may have the accessible bars misplaced. This was hastily put together and I didn't do full research. But you'll notice that each area is self-contained. If people are in there alone, who cares what body parts anybody has? I wonder how practical this would be. Unfortunately, I don't see many owners of public buildings willing to make the upgrade.

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Most of the bars and restaurants near me are similar. With one or maybe two unisex toilets, one accesible. Area is at a premium, so doubling up on restrooms is not a viable option.

Bradskii · Sep 28, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
But if you claim to be a woman in your head...

All a phrase like that tells me is that you appear not to have the slightest grasp of what transgenderism entails.

Servus · Sep 28, 2023

LovebirdsFlying said:
For what it's worth: I think a lot of the debate would be unnecessary if public buildings had restroom areas that looked something like this. I'm an amateur architect, and I create floor plans as a hobby. Note that I may have the accessible bars misplaced. This was hastily put together and I didn't do full research. But you'll notice that each area is self-contained. If people are in there alone, who cares what body parts anybody has? I wonder how practical this would be. Unfortunately, I don't see many owners of public buildings willing to make the upgrade.

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Lots of places have separate restrooms that can be used by anybody. I prefer those because I have paruresis.

Servus · Sep 28, 2023

Bradskii said:
All a phrase like that tells me is that you appear not to have the slightest grasp of what transgenderism enentails.

That's not the issue. The issue is that when any man says he identifies as a woman, society is supposed to believe he really is a woman. Even if he looks like Connor McGregor. That's what it's been watered down to. Which is inspiring posers, kooks and perverts to pretend that they're transgender now, since nothing more is supposed to be required other than someone's claim.

KCfromNC · Sep 28, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Wouldn't be more practical to have them all swab their mouth for an on-location DNA testing device operated by AI? Or just have the AI device programmed to be on the lookout for the telltale man hands?

The party of small government, at your service.

Servus · Sep 28, 2023

KCfromNC said:
The party of small government, at your service.

You know I was being facetious, right?

KCfromNC · Sep 28, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
You know I was being facetious, right?

No, actually it seemed right in line with other proposals about requiring people to show ID or have their genitals inspected before using the bathroom.

RocksInMyHead · Sep 28, 2023

HARK! said:
..and if he had been noticed beforehand, a victim could have been saved.

Nothing stopping anyone from saying something about a suspicious person loitering in the bathroom if he had been seen, even without a law.

HARK! said:
That's not actually what you said. You said "stopped," not deterred. Your statement was debunked.,

I don't see how that changes anything - I was responding to your claim that my logic implied that something not being visible makes it okay. The simple fact that you cannot stop someone who is doing something wrong if you don't see them doing it does not change the fact that what they're doing is wrong.

HARK! said:
Strawman. Those are your words, not mine.

It's always amusing when you contradict yourself:

HARK! said:
It makes sense in shower rooms too, where there are lowered inhibitions/impaired judgement due to raging hormones.

SimplyMe · Sep 28, 2023

Bradskii said:
Gun laws are there to punish those who harm others. A trans woman who looks just like all the other women in the restroom is simply there to relieve herself and fix her makeup and talk with the rest of the girls. You want to make that a criminal offence. And you then want to force her to go into the men's restroom. That's the wonderful world in which you want to live.

Like I said, all the transwomen who look just fine are going to carry on as before. And any woman who happens to look a little masculine is going to find herself in the lockup.

HARK! said:
I stopped reading here; when your argument became completely unhinged from reality.

A man is not a woman, no matter how much his delusional mind believes it, and no matter how much he plays dressup to fulfiil his twisted fantasy.

I don't see a claim in the post you quoted that a man is a woman, merely a situation he uses where a trans-woman looks like a woman (and "looks like a woman" actually seems to imply the trans-woman isn't actually a woman). It does beg the question, though, why do you think this trans-woman is in the bathroom to do, since it appears you think it is something other than "to relieve herself and fix her makeup?"

The Barbarian · Sep 28, 2023

HARK! said:
A woman is recovering in a hospital and an alleged assailant is under arrest after she was brutally beaten, raped and then robbed in a mall bathroom stall.

So now you're argument is it's the non-trans guys who are the rapists? Doesn't that pretty much take down your argument?

rjs330 · Sep 28, 2023

Bradskii said:
I guess you missed the point I was making in that checking every woman is what is ridiculous. But failing that as far as restrooms go, the proposal is nonsensical. Completely useless. A person who looks like a woman uses the restroom and...what? She uses the cubicle. Checks her eye liner. Combs her hair. I dunno, whatever women do when they're in there. And the world keeps on turning.

Now if you said that someone with male tackle wants to shower with young girls, then I'd agree. It would be a problem that needs solving. But we've had over 400 posts and they've all been discussing restrooms. And nobody, and I mean nobody, has made any attempt to seriously think it through in any way.

This is a classic misrepresentation. No one is asking for at claiming to want to check all women. The only ones it's going to affect are dudes like you and me who look like dudes. If you look like a woman no one is going to know.

Yes we have seriously thought it through. It's pretty much what we've been saying. No one wants or needs to check the plumbing. If your a dude and look like a dude stay out of the women's room. If you are a dude, but have undergone what's necessary to look so much like a woman that no one can tell the difference then fine, use the lady's room. No one is going to know.

rjs330 · Sep 28, 2023

Bradskii said:
What on earth do they complain about. Someone doesn't look feminine enough? Drunk in charge of a husky voice? Being in possession of some fuzz on the upper lip? Do they dial 911? 'There's someone who used the restroom who looks like they may have a 'touche if the light catches it right.' Hell yeah. Three cars and a swat squad needed. And if she ain't got ID then slap the bracelets on and It's a night in the slammer.

They complain cause there is a dude in the ladies room. How hard is that to figure out?
A bit of fuzz if the light catch s it just right? You really think that's it?

Man you have a very poor understanding of women.

It's funny you minimize so hard the issue with the fuzz on the lip and them maximize the response to include 3 squads and SWAT. Kinda typical.

It's the easy way to dismiss the points. Make those who oppose you seem outrageous. What you have just done is make women seem totally unreasonable as they will be the ones making the complaints.

Akita Suggagaki · Sep 28, 2023

In ovotesticular disorder (sometimes also called true hermaphroditism), an individual has both ovarian and testicular tissue. The ovarian and testicular tissue may be separate, or the two may be combined in what is called an ovotestis. What happens then?

Servus · Sep 28, 2023

KCfromNC said:
No, actually it seemed right in line with other proposals about requiring people to show ID or have their genitals inspected before using the bathroom.

The only ones I've seen coming up with those wacky proposals are the ones against the governor of nebraska. But that's how it works right? Side A makes up stuff about what side B supposedly wants to do, and then the rest of side A actually believes that is what side B really wants to do.

Oh and then there was someone who competently misunderstood my traffic stop analogy, and turned it into being about women being forced to show their driver's licence to get into a restroom or something like that.

Servus · Sep 28, 2023

Akita Suggagaki said:
In ovotesticular disorder (sometimes also called true hermaphroditism), an individual has both ovarian and testicular tissue. The ovarian and testicular tissue may be separate, or the two may be combined in what is called an ovotestis. What happens then?

Sure let's go with the rarest most exceptional cases to set as the standard. Pretty much the same as setting ectopic pregnancy as the standard for abortions.

rjs330 · Sep 28, 2023

LovebirdsFlying said:
For what it's worth: I think a lot of the debate would be unnecessary if public buildings had restroom areas that looked something like this. I'm an amateur architect, and I create floor plans as a hobby. Note that I may have the accessible bars misplaced. This was hastily put together and I didn't do full research. But you'll notice that each area is self-contained. If people are in there alone, who cares what body parts anybody has? I wonder how practical this would be. Unfortunately, I don't see many owners of public buildings willing to make the upgrade.

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This is happening in some places. I was in Portland in a store and restaurant that had such a place.

I don't have an issue at all if a business wishes to build this kind of bathroom. In essence this an area with all individual bathrooms.

But the cost is pretty high if you are doing this from scratch. Which is why I'm against a requirement for it. Especially when you consider exactly how few transgender people there are and how often they might visit your store.

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