Nebraska governor signs order narrowly defining sex as that assigned at birth

[Bradskii]

Wouldn't be more practical to have them all swab their mouth for an on-location DNA testing device operated by AI? Or just have the AI device programmed to be on the lookout for the telltale man hands?

Welcome to the new world...

 

[HARK!]

So how do you intend telling the difference? Do you still want to go with the BulgeOmatic or check the timbre of their voice? Maybe how wet their armpits are? Please let me know.

If he looks like a man, sounds like a man, and smells like a man; he's probably a man.

If you see suspicious activity; call the the police to have them investigate. That's their job.

 

[Bradskii]

If someone reports a suspicious figure...

This isn't the point. Pillen says he wants to ban all transwomen from rest rooms. He didn't say 'let's have a law that we can use if someone complains.' He wants to ban them from entering. Read what the man has said.

And one moment you say there's no need to have documentation, that that's a nonsensical idea. But now you say that existing documentation must be changed to match the sex you were when you were born. So to prevent a transwomen using the restroom (which is what Pillen wants) then you have to show ID as in a driving license when entering. Brilliant. 'Excuse me, ma'am. Must need to see your ID to check your gender before you can enter'.

Welcome to The World of The Far Right when you need to flash your drivers license when you want to pee. Except you've only kicked this nonsensical can down the yellow brick road. Because now you need to determine if someone was born a male when they tick male or female on the licence application. So you'll have to make a birth certificate compulsory documentation when getting a licence and make a law requiring all women to carry it when they want to relieve themselves. Or face anight in the lock up waiting forsomeone to check their genitals for not producing it when requested.

How Pythonesque can this possible get..?

 

[Bradskii]

If he looks like a man, sounds like a man, and smells like a man; he's probably a man.

So you'd have someone on the door listening to and sniffing each woman as they enter. What a brilliant idea! I think some women might object, but hey, we've got to stop those trans women somehow.

 

[HARK!]

This isn't the point. Pillen says he wants to ban all transwomen from rest rooms. He didn't say 'let's have a law that we can use if someone complains.' He wants to ban them from entering. Read what the man has said.

What;s wrong with banning men from women's bathrooms?I'm saying that one's documentat

And one moment you say there's no need to have documentation, that that's a nonsensical idea. But now you say that existing documentation must be changed to match the sex you were when you were born. So to prevent a transwomen using the restroom (which is what Pillen wants) then you have to show ID as in a driving license when entering. Brilliant. 'Excuse me, ma'am. Must need to see your ID to check your gender before you can enter'.

I'm saying that sex doesn't change. If it doesn't change; why would someone need to change the documentation of their sex?

Asserting that someone would need to show ID to enter a restroom is as ridiculous as saying that one would need to show his ID to enter his car to go to work every morning.

This is pure hyperbole.

 

[HARK!]

So you'd have someone on the door listening to and sniffing each woman as they enter. What a brilliant idea! I think some women might object, but hey, we've got to stop those trans women somehow.

How did you come to that wild conclusion, based on a position of reporting suspicious activity.

I see that you snipped my post. Maybe if you had read the whole thing; you would have understood what I was talking about.

 

[Bradskii]

Asserting that someone would need to show ID to enter a restroom is as ridiculous as saying that one would need to show his ID to enter his car to go to work every morning.

You bet. It's monstrously ridiculous. But Pillen wants transwomen banned from restrooms. So how do you tell who is transwoman and who isn't so you can stop the one but not the other?

 

[HARK!]

You bet. It's monstrously ridiculous. But Pillen wants transwomen banned from restrooms. So how do you tell who is transwoman and who isn't so you can stop the one but not the other?

Let the police sort that out; if they receive a call for suspicious activity. That's their job.

Driving drunk is illegal; but we don't have to take a breath test to get in our cars. The police will make a determination if an arrest needs to be made, based on suspicious activity.

 

[Bradskii]

How did you come to that wild conclusion, based on a position of reporting suspicious activity.

I see that you snipped my post. Maybe if you had read the whole thing; you would have understood what I was talking about.

I asked how you could tell to prevent a transwomen from entering a restroom. We're not looking for an answer to suspicious behaviour. Pillen want to prevent them entering in the first place. Your exact response was:

'If he looks like a man, sounds like a man, and smells like a man; he's probably a man.'

So to prevent them entering you suggest that it's possible to differentiate by sound and smell. That's clear enough, thanks.

 

[Bradskii]

Let the police sort that out; if they receive a call for suspicious activity. That's their job.

Yet again, we're not looking for an answer to suspicious activity. Pillen wants to prevent transwomen from entering restrooms. Do you want the police to help do that? Are we still going with the drivers license? Or smells and sounds? Bulges? Saliva swabs (I think that was a serious suggestion).

What's your solution?

 

[HARK!]

I asked how you could tell to prevent a transwomen from entering a restroom. We're not looking for an answer to suspicious behaviour. Pillen want to prevent them entering in the first place. Your exact response was:

'If he looks like a man, sounds like a man, and smells like a man; he's probably a man.'

So to prevent them entering you suggest that it's possible to differentiate by sound and smell. That's clear enough, thanks.

If you want to prevent law abiding men from breaking the law; you pass a law. If they break that law; then they are not law abiding; and they are subject to arrest. Arrest stops a criminal from continuing in his lawlessness.

 

[HARK!]

Yet again, we're not looking for an answer to suspicious activity. Pillen wants to prevent transwomen from entering restrooms. Do you want the police to help do that? Are we still going with the drivers license? Or smells and sounds? Bulges? Saliva swabs (I think that was a serious suggestion).

What's your solution?

Pass the law; and arrest those who violate it.

 

[Bradskii]

If you want to prevent law abiding men from breaking the law; you pass a law. If they break that law; then they are not law abiding; and they are subject to arrest. Arrest stops a criminal from continuing in his lawlessness.

You really do want to avoid the question, don't you. For obvious reasons. But I'll keep repeating it. We're not looking for answers to what might happen to a trans woman after she is found in a restroom 'acting suspiciously.' We are looking to find a solution to what Pillen wants. Which is transwomen not being allowed into a restroom.

How do you tell who can and cannot be allowed in?

 

[Bradskii]

Pass the law; and arrest those who violate it.

Avoiding the question again. How do you tell who is and who is not allowed in a restroom?

 

[HARK!]

You really do want to avoid the question, don't you. For obvious reasons. But I'll keep repeating it. We're not looking for answers to what might happen to a trans woman after she is found in a restroom 'acting suspiciously.' We are looking to find a solution to what Pillen wants. Which is transwomen not being allowed into a restroom.

The law doesn't allow them in the restroom.

How do you tell who can and cannot be allowed in?

I'll let the police determine that.

 

[HARK!]

Avoiding the question again. How do you tell who is and who is not allowed in a restroom?

The police can determine that. I'm not the police. I report suspicious activity. The police investigate those reports.

We shouldn't take the law into our own hands.

 

[HARK!]

Welcome to The World of The Far Right

Pillen is not Far-Right. You might want to reexamine the definition of Far-Right.

 

[Bradskii]

The law doesn't allow them in the restroom.

You are finally admitting that there is no way to prevent a transwomen using a restroom. Which is precisely what Pillen wants. And the nonsensical responses to that problem are just variations on 'Well, if she looks like a man...'.

So all the transwomen who look just fine are going to carry on as before. And any woman who happens to look a little masculine is going to find herself in the lockup. What a wonderful scheme.

 

[HARK!]

You are finally admitting that there is no way to prevent a transwomen using a restroom.

That applies to most of the laws on the books. Are you all for doing away with all of the gun laws on the books; so that women can better protect themselves in the restroom?

I mean after all, gun laws don't stop anyone from using a gun to murder.

 

[Bradskii]

That applies to most of the laws on the books. Are you all for doing away with all of the gun laws on the books; so that women can better protect themselves in the restroom?

I mean after all, gun laws don't stop anyone from using a gun to murder.

Gun laws are there to punish those who harm others. A trans woman who looks just like all the other women in the restroom is simply there to relieve herself and fix her makeup and talk with the rest of the girls. You want to make that a criminal offence. And you then want to force her to go into the men's restroom. That's the wonderful world in which you want to live.

Like I said, all the transwomen who look just fine are going to carry on as before. And any woman who happens to look a little masculine is going to find herself in the lockup.