The kingdom of God is in the MIDST of you

tonychanyt · Aug 19, 2023

Matthew 23:

26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

inside
ἐντὸς (entos)
Adverb
Strong's 1787: Within, inside, the inside. From en; inside.

Surprisingly this adverb appears only twice in the Bible. Outside of the Bible, ἐντός appears frequently (BDAG).

Greek Word Study Tool:

within, inside

Wiki agrees exactly:

within, inside

BDAG:

① pert. to a specific area inside someth., inside, within, within the limits of. ...
Lk preferring ἐντός in the sense among you, in your midst, either now or suddenly in the near future

② pert. to what is inside an area, content τὸ ἐ. τοῦ ποτηρίου the inside of the cup=what is in the cup

ESV Luke 17:

20 Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, 21nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you [plural].”

I think the New King James Version provides a better translation:

nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

The kingdom of God can be among us and inside each one of us. The Paraclete dwells in each one of us.

Akita Suggagaki · Aug 19, 2023

tonychanyt said:
Matthew 23:

inside
ἐντὸς (entos)
Adverb
Strong's 1787: Within, inside, the inside. From en; inside.

Surprisingly this adverb appears only twice in the Bible. Outside of the Bible, ἐντός appears frequently (BDAG).

Greek Word Study Tool:

Wiki agrees exactly:

But then, ESV Luke 17:

Well, if the kingdom of God is in the midst of you people, then it is externally measurable.

New King James Version provides a better translation:

The kingdom of God is inside each one of us. The Paraclete dwells in each one of us.

Where else could a commitment to values be? Being a disciple involves not only believing in Jesus but also a conversion within and commitment to living and following..

d taylor · Aug 19, 2023

tonychanyt said:
Matthew 23:

inside
ἐντὸς (entos)
Adverb
Strong's 1787: Within, inside, the inside. From en; inside.

Surprisingly this adverb appears only twice in the Bible. Outside of the Bible, ἐντός appears frequently (BDAG).

Greek Word Study Tool:

Wiki agrees exactly:

But then, ESV Luke 17:

Well, if the kingdom of God is in the midst of you people, then it is externally measurable.

New King James Version provides a better translation:

The kingdom of God is inside each one of us. The Paraclete dwells in each one of us.

That was not what Jesus was addressing. Jesus was stating that the kingdom of God is available and ready to be setup, all Israel needed to do was to believe Jesus was who He said He was. The promised Messiah from the prophecies of The Tankah. But the kingdom of God was not setup at the first advent as the nation rejected Jesus as The Messiah and committed the unpardonable sin (blasphemy of The Holy Spirit) see Matthew 12

Jesus could not be speaking about The Holy Spirit as the gift of The Holy Spirit had not yet been given.

tonychanyt · Aug 19, 2023

d taylor said:
That was not what Jesus was addressing.

What does the word ἐντὸς mean?

d taylor · Aug 19, 2023

tonychanyt said:
What does the word ἐντὸς mean?

Depends on how the word is being used in the surrounding context.

tonychanyt · Aug 19, 2023

d taylor said:
Depends on how the word is being used in the surrounding context.

So what are its possible meanings?

d taylor · Aug 19, 2023

tonychanyt said:
So what are its possible meanings?

From Strongs
entos: within, among
Original Word: ἐντός
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: entos
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tos')
Definition: within, among
Usage: within, inside, the inside.

I would in this context, among fits the point Jesus is making, that Jesus came to offer Israel The Kingdom. Israel just had to believe Jesus was the promised Messiah.

tonychanyt · Aug 19, 2023

d taylor said:
From Strongs
entos: within, among
Original Word: ἐντός
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: entos
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tos')
Definition: within, among
Usage: within, inside, the inside.

I would in this context, among fits the point Jesus is making, that Jesus came to offer Israel The Kingdom. Israel just had to believe Jesus was the promised Messiah.

Sure, I can accept this interpretation even though Strong's is a concordance and not a lexicon/dictionary. In any case, it does not exclude the possibility that the kingdom of God was within them at the same time. They can both be true.

CoreyD · Aug 26, 2023

tonychanyt said:
Matthew 23:

inside
ἐντὸς (entos)
Adverb
Strong's 1787: Within, inside, the inside. From en; inside.

Surprisingly this adverb appears only twice in the Bible. Outside of the Bible, ἐντός appears frequently (BDAG).

Greek Word Study Tool:

Wiki agrees exactly:

BDAG:

ESV Luke 17:

I think the New King James Version provides a better translation:

The kingdom of God can be among us and inside each one of us. The Paraclete dwells in each one of us.

Definition: within, among
STRONGS NT 1787: ἐντός
ἐντός, adverb ((from ἐν, opposed to ἐκτός), within, inside: with the genitive ἐντός ὑμῶν, within you, i. e. in the midst of you, Luke 17:21 (ἐντός αὐτῶν, Xenophon, an. 1, 10, 3 (but see the passage)

Was it the Pharisees Jesus was addressing? Luke 17:20, 21
There are quite a number of scriptural reasons why we know the kingdom of God being among or in the midst of the people, rather than being inside of them.

CoreyD · Aug 26, 2023

d taylor said:
From Strongs
entos: within, among
Original Word: ἐντός
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: entos
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tos')
Definition: within, among
Usage: within, inside, the inside.

I would in this context, among fits the point Jesus is making, that Jesus came to offer Israel The Kingdom. Israel just had to believe Jesus was the promised Messiah.

Good point. Jesus was also king of the kingdom. So the kingdom was among them, by means of its representative.

d taylor · Aug 26, 2023

tonychanyt said:
Sure, I can accept this interpretation even though Strong's is a concordance and not a lexicon/dictionary. In any case, it does not exclude the possibility that the kingdom of God was within them at the same time. They can both be true.

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If the Pharisees, Jesus was addressing were not believers, then the kingdom could not be within them.

But also a believer is never to be said of being given the kingdom of God, when they become a believer. It is The Holy Spirit they receive.

tonychanyt · Aug 26, 2023

CoreyD said:
Definition: within, among
STRONGS NT 1787: ἐντός
ἐντός, adverb ((from ἐν, opposed to ἐκτός), within, inside: with the genitive ἐντός ὑμῶν, within you, i. e. in the midst of you, Luke 17:21 (ἐντός αὐτῶν, Xenophon, an. 1, 10, 3 (but see the passage)

Was it the Pharisees Jesus was addressing? Luke 17:20, 21
There are quite a number of scriptural reasons why we know the kingdom of God being among or in the midst of the people, rather than being inside of them.

Why not both?

tonychanyt · Aug 26, 2023

d taylor said:
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But also a believer is never to be said of being given the kingdom of God, when they become a believer. It is The Holy Spirit they receive.

Right, he enters it. John 3:5

Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

GDL · Aug 27, 2023

tonychanyt said:
Why not both?

How would you explain this in context?

What other Scripture would you reference for the "within" interpretation?

tonychanyt · Aug 27, 2023

GDL said:
How would you explain this in context?

Good question. I did so by interpreting it using first-order logic which allows both interpretations.

GDL said:
What other Scripture would you reference for the "within" interpretation?

Unfortunately, this Greek word only occurs twice in the NT listed in the OP.

d taylor · Aug 27, 2023

tonychanyt said:
Right, he enters it. John 3:5

The entering will not happen till the millennium

tonychanyt · Aug 27, 2023

d taylor said:
The entering will not happen till the millennium

See The Kingdom of God starts here and now and follow up there.

GDL · Aug 27, 2023

tonychanyt said:
Good question. I did so by interpreting it using first-order logic which allows both interpretations.

Elaborate please.

How about close context - anything telling?

tonychanyt said:
Unfortunately, this Greek word only occurs twice in the NT listed in the OP.

One of which supports the "within" interpretation as you've shown.

Also 5 times in the LXX, 4 of which seem to support "within" and 1 of which the "midst."

As I'm sure you know, it's not only by word usage in common, but also by other information we're given about the topic - in this case, for example, the Kingdom of God.

tonychanyt · Aug 27, 2023

GDL said:
Elaborate please.

The word has two meanings. Both meanings make some sense and they are not contradictory according to FOL. So I take them both. I try to be accommodating when I interpret the Scripture.

GDL said:
How about close context - anything telling?

The immediate context of the plural you favors "midst".

GDL said:
Also 5 times in the LXX, 4 of which seem to support "within" and 1 of which the "midst."

Great research! brother

d taylor · Aug 27, 2023

tonychanyt said:
See The Kingdom of God starts here and now and follow up there.

I do not care to jump around with post so i will post here.

The kingdom is a literal physical kingdom not a spiritual one.

The kingdom of God is in the MIDST of you

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