Ex-President of USA found guilty of sexual abuse and liable

Zoii · May 9, 2023

'Today the world finally knows the truth': E Jean Carroll sexually abused by Donald Trump, civil jury finds

Donald Trump is found liable for sexual abuse, but not rape, in a civil trial brought by writer E Jean Carroll, who accused the former US president of raping her in the mid-1990s.

www.abc.net.au

Former US president Donald Trump sexually abused magazine writer E Jean Carroll and then defamed her by branding her a liar, a jury in a civil trial has decided, but the jurors found he did not rape her.

Zoii · May 9, 2023

This is the same former president who:
1. Evaded tax

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/30/politics/donald-trump-tax-returns-released/index.html#:~:text=Six%20years%20of%20Donald%20Trump's%20federal%20tax%20returns%20released%20on,tax%20bill%2C%20among%20other%20revelations.

2. Lied about the last election and incited sedition to prevent the peaceful and legitimate transfer of power

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/30/politics/donald-trump-tax-returns-released/index.html#:~:text=Six%20years%20of%20Donald%20Trump's%20federal%20tax%20returns%20released%20on,tax%20bill%2C%20among%20other%20revelations.

3. Is currently indicted on criminal matters concerning paying off a hooker.

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/04/1167985028/trump-indictment-criminal-charges-hush-money-payments

And is now seeking to become the next president of the USA - and the lunacy of it all is - he may well win.

Bradskii · May 9, 2023

Zoii said:
'Today the world finally knows the truth': E Jean Carroll sexually abused by Donald Trump, civil jury finds

Donald Trump is found liable for sexual abuse, but not rape, in a civil trial brought by writer E Jean Carroll, who accused the former US president of raping her in the mid-1990s.

www.abc.net.au

Former US president Donald Trump sexually abused magazine writer E Jean Carroll and then defamed her by branding her a liar, a jury in a civil trial has decided, but the jurors found he did not rape her.

I've been trying to think about this case as neutrally as possible. Would Joe Citizen be convicted on the balance of probabilities?

What swung me was the comments he made on a hot mike that he grabbed women sexually and readily admitted it.

Plus the fact that he denied even knowing her and she 'wasn't his type' (as if that could be reasonably accepted as a defence) yet confused a picture of her with his wife at the time.

Plus his comment when asked about people grabbing women: “Historically that’s true with stars. If you look over the last million years, that’s largely true, unfortunately—or fortunately”. Or fortunately?

Plus the fact that there are other women who claim he assaulted or tried to assault them. And have not gone public in any way to make a financial profit from it.

In fact I was internet buddies with one of them years back as we were on the same forum, had common interests and swapped emails regularly. When Trump came up in one thread she told me what had happened to her, but not to bring it up in the forum. So maybe my intention of viewing it neutrally wasn't a complete success...

Suffice to say that the verdict didn't come as any surprise to me.

Occams Barber · May 9, 2023

Zoii said:
'Today the world finally knows the truth': E Jean Carroll sexually abused by Donald Trump, civil jury finds

Donald Trump is found liable for sexual abuse, but not rape, in a civil trial brought by writer E Jean Carroll, who accused the former US president of raping her in the mid-1990s.

www.abc.net.au

Former US president Donald Trump sexually abused magazine writer E Jean Carroll and then defamed her by branding her a liar, a jury in a civil trial has decided, but the jurors found he did not rape her.

That's one court case down and 2? 3? 4? to go.

OB

stevil · May 9, 2023

Zoii said:
And is now seeking to become the next president of the USA - and the lunacy of it all is - he may well win.

The lunacy is that he is the front runner to win the Republican primary because his MAGA fans make up a significant amount of those that vote in the primaries.

It is highly unlikely that he would win the general election as evidenced by the Republican disaster in the mid-terms and the last general election.

Pommer · May 9, 2023

stevil said:
The lunacy is that he is the front runner to win the Republican primary because his MAGA fans make up a significant amount of those that vote in the primaries.

It is highly unlikely that he would win the general election as evidenced by the Republican disaster in the mid-terms and the last general election.

It’s odd.
The worse he proves to be, the more they love him.

durangodawood · May 9, 2023

Bradskii said:
I've been trying to think about this case as neutrally as possible. Would Joe Citizen be convicted on the balance of probabilities?

What swung me was the comments he made on a hot mike that he grabbed women sexually and readily admitted it.

Plus the fact that he denied even knowing her and she 'wasn't his type' (as if that could be reasonably accepted as a defence) yet confused a picture of her with his wife at the time.

Plus his comment when asked about people grabbing women: “Historically that’s true with stars. If you look over the last million years, that’s largely true, unfortunately—or fortunately”. Or fortunately?

Plus the fact that there are other women who claim he assaulted or tried to assault them. And have not gone public in any way to make a financial profit from it.

In fact I was internet buddies with one of them years back as we were on the same forum, had common interests and swapped emails regularly. When Trump came up in one thread she told me what had happened to her, but not to bring it up in the forum. So maybe my intention of viewing it neutrally wasn't a complete success...

Suffice to say that the verdict didn't come as any surprise to me.

My sense of the man agrees. He's a total creep.

But Im not at all sure "our sense of the man" should convict or hold liable anyone in the absence of objective evidence.

USincognito · May 9, 2023

Occams Barber said:
That's one court case down and 2? 3? 4? to go.

OB

There's as many as 20 potential civil and criminal cases that he could face. It's more likely to be about 5.

USincognito · May 9, 2023

Pommer said:
It’s odd.
The worse he proves to be, the more they love him.

I have no doubt in my mind that the ardent faithful threw money at him when the verdict was announced.

stevil · May 9, 2023

USincognito said:
I have no doubt in my mind that the ardent faithful threw money at him when the verdict was announced.

The poor giving to the ultra-wealthy elite, will they ever wake up and realise they have been taken to the cleaners?

wing2000 · May 9, 2023

....and he continues to lie:

“Waiting for a jury decision on a False Accusation where I, despite being a current political candidate and leading all others in both parties, am not allowed to speak or defend myself, even as hard nosed reporters scream questions about this case at me,” the former president wrote on Truth Social on Tuesday.

Trump Lies That He Wasn't Able to Defend Himself in Rape Trial

Jurors will begin deliberating E. Jean Carroll’s civil case against the former president on Tuesday

www.rollingstone.com

Pommer · May 9, 2023

stevil said:
The poor giving to the ultra-wealthy elite, will they ever wake up and realise they have been taken to the cleaners?

They know it’s a “protection scheme”; they pay to have him fight for them and keep them safe from the evil democrats, that’s the “deal”.

Bradskii · May 10, 2023

durangodawood said:
My sense of the man agrees. He's a total creep.

But Im not at all sure "our sense of the man" should convict or hold liable anyone in the absence of objective evidence.

True. Up to a point. If it needed to be beyond reasonable doubt, then lack of solid evidence would lead me to aquit. But the need is only for it to be more likely than not. So one's character and past words and deeds comes into it in a big way. Our 'sense of the man's. Is it more likely it happened? If it was someone of good character and it was out of character then I'd say no. Someone like Trump? And all we know about him? I'd say yes.

Vanellus · May 10, 2023

Trump has had support on Christian forums - does he still have any?

Bradskii · May 10, 2023

Vanellus said:
Trump has had support on Christian forums - does he still have any?

Of course. One's sense of morality withers away the moment one enters a polling booth.

We have a politician called Latham down here. He used to be head of one of the two major parties. I voted for that party because his polices were ones that I supported. But...concerns began arising as to his attitude. The way he conducted himself rang some alarm bells. He was eventually ousted as leader and bailed out and joined a far right party. Which showed his convictions as to the policies he said he believed in.

He is now being considered for being completely ousted from Parliament for some truly appalling Twitter remarks he made recently re a gay member of parliament. He has shown his true colours. The man is a thug with no morals.

If I had known back then what I know now about him, there is no way on earth I could have voted for him. If the choice was only between him and his opponent, whose policies I rejected completely, I would have voted for his opponent. Because? Because I like to think I have some integrity.

Servus · May 10, 2023

Greatest witch hunt in history.

dzheremi · May 10, 2023

Anyone who saw the deposition that was played in court (in lieu of him actually going to the court to present his side of the story, which, despite what he writes on his social media platform, he absolutely was free to do; he chose not to) would be shocked if he wasn't convicted on something. He said, in response to a question about his infamous "grab 'em by the [woman's intimate area]" comment, that this has historical been the case, "unfortunately or fortunately." Unfortunately or fortunately? How is that a thing anyone can say with regard to assault of a woman's body? That's not the type of thing that anyone should be saying or thinking "fortunately" about! When so much with regard to these types of cases can be decided based on whether or not jurors see you as the type of person who could commit this kind of crime (because there is no physical evidence to go by), can anyone imagine a worse thing to say than that? I really can't.

None of us were there, of course, but from where I'm sitting as a spectator, he basically convicted himself with his overconfidence, entitlement, and absolutely tone-deaf approach to half of the planet's population.

Whyayeman · May 10, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Greatest witch hunt in history.

Apart from the actual witch hunts. You know, actual witches, actually burnt at the stake.

Oh, hang on! Those were just women, so do not count in Trump world.

RocksInMyHead · May 10, 2023

Vanellus said:
Trump has had support on Christian forums - does he still have any?

Your answer:

Ordinary Christian said:
Greatest witch hunt in history.

NxNW · May 10, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Greatest witch hunt in history.

I wonder why you say that.

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