Your favorite end times passage ?

Douggg · Mar 10, 2023

What is your favorite end times passage that gives you hope ?

I will start.

Mine is 1Corinthians15:51-55

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

d taylor · Mar 10, 2023

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“But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

RandyPNW · Mar 10, 2023

By its very nature "endtime" Scriptures depict, for me, something negative, including the general apostasy of Christianity, the rise of Antichrist, the persecution of the Church etc. Unless you're Pretrib, you look for Jesus' 2nd Coming as a sweet release from all that's going on in our corrupt world.

2 Thes 1.5 All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering. 6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.

Spiritual Jew · Mar 10, 2023

Douggg said:
What is your favorite end times passage that gives you hope ?

I will start.

Mine is 1Corinthians15:51-55

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

It's hard to narrow it down to one, but mine would either be the same as yours or this one:

1 Thessalonians 4:13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

A major point of this passage is to give us hope, which is why Paul said "Therefore encourage one another with these words". And it points out how we don't "grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope" since we have the hope of Jesus coming again and receiving eternal life with Him at that point (with immortal bodies, as the other passage alludes to).

dfw69 · Mar 10, 2023

1 John 3:2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

keras · Mar 10, 2023

My fav Bible passage is: Colossians 1:11-12 -
In His glorious might, may He give you ample strength to meet with fortitude and patience whatever comes and to give joyful thanks to the Father, who has made you fit to share in the heritage of Gods people in the realm of Light.

This scripture does several things, it disproves the rapture removal, it says that God will help us thru whatever is to come and it proves that we Christians are God's people, the true inheritors of all the Promises of God.

dfw69 · Mar 11, 2023

keras said:
My fav Bible passage is: Colossians 1:11-12 -
In His glorious might, may He give you ample strength to meet with fortitude and patience whatever comes and to give joyful thanks to the Father, who has made you fit to share in the heritage of Gods people in the realm of Light.

This scripture does several things, it disproves the rapture removal, it says that God will help us thru whatever is to come and it proves that we Christians are God's people, the true inheritors of all the Promises of God.

This scripture says nothing about there will be no rapture removal lol nor strengthens your teachings of a non rapture event. It disproved nothing of the sort

Try this one keras

Colossians 1::5 the faith and love that spring from the hope stored up for you in heaven and about which you have already heard in the true message of the gospel

Do you see what he is saying here?

Or this one for that matter

Colossians 2:2-4 My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ,in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments.

Lastly Colossians 3:1-4
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

The good news is we have a hope stored up in heaven yet to be manifested. Its a mystery revealed by Paul that when Christ appears, a glorious event takes place to live in heaven, so now we live and set our hearts on these things that are above, to live with god. And Christ will come again and raise us up in glory all made possible by him. This is the true message of the gospel hidden in Christ and our glorious hope of eternal life and salvation from death to become the sons of God

keras · Mar 11, 2023

dfw69 said:
This scripture says nothing about there will be no rapture removal lol nor strengthens your teachings of a non rapture event. It disproved nothing of the sort

So; you expect to have to endure the 'rapture' with fortitude and patience?
The Lord Promises strength and protection to us, as we pass through all that must happen before He Returns. Nowhere is it said He will rapture us to heaven.

dfw69 said:
Colossians 1::5 the faith and love that spring from the hope stored up for you in heaven and about which you have already heard in the true message of the gospel

Do you see what he is saying here?

Yes: it says our hope, as told to us in the true Message is that Jesus will Return and gather His own faithful people to Him. All those who proved their faith by standing firm during the forthcoming testing times. 1 Peter 4:12
He will bring our rewards with Him, then. Matthew 16:27

dfw69 said:
when Christ appears, a glorious event takes place to live in heaven,

Isn't this belief somewhat crazy and irrational?
Jesus departs from heaven and Returns to the earth, to reign for the next thousand years. Acts 1:11, Revelation 20
Do His faithful people not become His subjects on earth?

dfw69 · Mar 11, 2023

keras said:
So; you expect to have to endure the 'rapture' with fortitude and patience?
The Lord Promises strength and protection to us, as we pass through all that must happen before He Returns. Nowhere is it said He will rapture us to heaven.

No we endure everyday hardships
and keep the faith until the hope of salvation

keras said:
Yes: it says our hope, as told to us in the true Message is that Jesus will Return and gather His own faithful people to Him. All those who proved their faith by standing firm during the forthcoming testing times. 1 Peter 4:12
He will bring our rewards with Him, then. Matthew 16:27

Prove your faith to your father? Clearly your misunderstanding the good news bro. What son proves their faith to their father?

You either love or don’t love him , if you love him then naturally you do his will ,if you don’t love him you don’t fulfill his will

God did not call us to tribulations , it is the evil one that persecutes gods children.
Every evil that has come upon us was not by divine will but evil men who know not god

We are here to be witnesses of his love for us and spread the goodness of his love

keras said:
Isn't this belief somewhat crazy and irrational?

Huh???

keras said:
Jesus departs from heaven and Returns to the earth, to reign for the next thousand years. Acts 1:11, Revelation 20
Do His faithful people not become His subjects on earth?

Lol again you fail to see the gospel… no offense bro but you really should try to understand our fathers love for us

We are not subjects ,we are children ,we are not servants ,we are members of his household in heaven,we are not bound to the law , we are free , the gospel is a glorious gift that your seriously failing to comprehend…I pray one day you will

keras · Mar 11, 2023

dfw69 said:
Huh???

Your scenario has Jesus coming to the earth and His people going up to heaven.
Paul in 1 Thess 4:17 and Matthew 24:30-31, say how it will be: Jesus Returns and gathers his people to Him and they become His priests and co-rulers. Revelation 5:10...on earth!

dfw69 said:
Lol again you fail to see the gospel… no offense bro but you really should try to understand our fathers love for us

You do offend, but no matter as it comes from someone with limited understanding of what will happen.
God WILL test and try everyone and many will fail. 1 Peter 4:12 and many other scriptures.

dfw69 · Mar 11, 2023

keras said:
Your scenario has Jesus coming to the earth and His people going up to heaven.

No Jesus comes in the air to resurrect and gather his children to fulfill the promises

He returns back to heaven with us to present us to the father

He doesn’t return to Israel and Jerusalem to rule on earth till the prophecies concerning them come to pass

keras said:
Paul in 1 Thess 4:17 and Matthew 24:30-31, say how it will be: Jesus Returns and gathers his people to Him and they become His priests and co-rulers. Revelation 5:10...on earth!

We do not seek an earthly kingdom we seek a heavenly one … but yes a day will come when he gathers the scattered sheep of the whole house of Israel in the last days

keras said:
You do offend, but no matter as it comes from someone with limited understanding of what will happen.

Doesn’t sound like the good news does it?

keras said:
God WILL test and try everyone and many will fail. 1 Peter 4:12 and many other scriptures.

Not for his children , no father does so, neither will he

Trials and tribulations come from satan not the father

keras · Mar 12, 2023

dfw69 said:
Not for his children , no father does so, neither will he

Trials and tribulations come from satan not the father

You exhibit a serious failure to read and understand the Bible.
Hebrews 12:5-8 totally disproves your beliefs. Those who avoid God's discipline are not His children and the Bible never says that humans will ever go to live in heaven, but after all Prophecy is fulfilled; then God and heaven come to us on earth. Revelation 21:1-7

dfw69 · Mar 12, 2023

keras said:
You exhibit a serious failure to read and understand the Bible.

Lol ok

keras said:
Hebrews 12:5-8 totally disproves your beliefs.

Chastised is one thing every father who loves his children does so I’ve been chastise many times by my father over the years

But rape, stealing of children, evil acts wars murders and all manor of trials and tribulations come from satan not our father

And the time and season for the wrath of god will be poured out on the ungodly who hate god and on the faithless who hate his son and on his enemies who persecute his beloved children and the deceivers who are liars and hypocrites who claim to be holy

basically all who belong to satan and do wickedness and unrighteousness will suffer the wrath of god

The wrath of god is not for his children nor the trials and tribulations that come from satan are his will for his children anyone who thinks so exhibits a serious failure to read and understand the Bible.

keras said:
Those who avoid God's discipline are not His children

What part of gods chastise am I avoiding ?

keras said:
and the Bible never says that humans will ever go to live in heaven,

Yes it does

keras said:
but after all Prophecy is fulfilled; then God and heaven come to us on earth. Revelation 21:1-7

Yes god comes down from heaven in the end after yasha puts down all rebellion against the godhead

keras · Mar 12, 2023

dfw69 said:
The wrath of god is not for his children

The wrath of God and the Lamb will fall upon everyone. Revelation 6:12-17, Luke 21:35
And in Israel, the righteous as well as the wicked, will be destroyed. Ezekiel 21:1-5

dfw69 said:
What part of gods chastise am I avoiding ?

The forthcoming Day that the Lord will send His fiery wrath. You think you will avoid it by being 'raptured' outta here.

dfw69 said:
Yes it does

Please provide clear scripture that says humans will live in heaven. BEFORE Eternity.
The Words of Jesus say we cannot go to heaven. John 3:13

dfw69 · Mar 12, 2023

keras said:
The wrath of God and the Lamb will fall upon everyone. Revelation 6:12-17, Luke 21:35
And in Israel, the righteous as well as the wicked, will be destroyed. Ezekiel 21:1-5

Nope

keras said:
The forthcoming Day that the Lord will send His fiery wrath. You think you will avoid it by being 'raptured' outta here.

I know I will avoid it …. You will too… wrath is not happening in our lifetime.

The wrath is not a chastise for the child of god , that’s judgment for the wicked

keras said:
Please provide clear scripture that says humans will live in heaven. BEFORE Eternity.
The Words of Jesus say we cannot go to heaven. John 3:13

Been there done that … you cannot see it ..oh well..
when it happens you might believe then

Try understanding yasha words in John 3:13 because he does not say what you teach . he never said that no one can go to heaven read it again

keras · Mar 12, 2023

Another favourite scripture:
Romans 9:24-26 We [Christians] are those objects of mercy, whom He has called from among Jews and Gentiles alike. As Hosea prophesies: Those who were not My people, I will call my people and the unloved; I will call beloved. In the very place where they were told; You are no people of Mine, they shall be called the children of the Living God.

This proves that we Christians are [mainly] from the 10 tribes of Israel, who were sent into exile, but who have accepted Jesus and now look forward to their return into all of the Promised Land.
Proved by Ezekiel 4:4-5, where Israel was decreed to be punished by exile for 390 years. This time was multiplied by 7 for their continued sins, Leviticus 26:18 Total decreed exile = 2730 years, which is now completed.

It is going to be a nice surprise for you and all the deceived and confused Christians, and when the Lord blesses us with prosperity and saves us from our attackers, it will be like heaven on earth. Jeremiah 33:6-14, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Psalms 37:29, +

dfw69 · Mar 12, 2023

keras said:
Another favourite scripture:
Romans 9:24-26 We [Christians] are those objects of mercy, whom He has called from among Jews and Gentiles alike. As Hosea prophesies: Those who were not My people, I will call my people and the unloved; I will call beloved. In the very place where they were told; You are no people of Mine, they shall be called the children of the Living God.

Amen we are the children of god by faith by adoption all made possible by the true messiah from heaven

keras said:
This proves that we Christians are [mainly] from the 10 tribes of Israel, who were sent into exile, but who have accepted Jesus and now look forward to their return into all of the Promised Land.

We are not of the 10 tribes of Israel they will be manifest by the will of god in the future

…we who have put our faith in him don’t look for an earthly Jerusalem we look for a heavenly Jerusalem which currently resides in heaven

keras said:
Proved by Ezekiel 4:4-5, where Israel was decreed to be punished by exile for 390 years. This time was multiplied by 7 for their continued sins, Leviticus 26:18 Total decreed exile = 2730 years, which is now completed.

Interesting… when we’re they exiled? what date?

keras said:
It is going to be a nice surprise for you and all the deceived and confused Christians,

We are not deceived nor confused

You seem to say the lord hates Christians and has kept them in darkness …

keras said:
and when the Lord blesses us with prosperity and saves us from our attackers, it will be like heaven on earth. Jeremiah 33:6-14, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Psalms 37:29, +

Can you be more specific? How will the lord save you ? From what ? Who are your attackers? What will be like heaven on earth? Why will it be like heaven?

In heaven there is peace no crime no death no judgment eternal life tears wipe away by god basically no place can be like heaven unless heaven comes to us

keras · Mar 12, 2023

dfw69 said:
We are not of the 10 tribes of Israel they will be manifest by the will of god in the future

We Christians are the descendants of Abraham by faith AND by our ancestry, as every living person today has some of his genes.
Galatians 3:26-20 & Galatians 6:14-16

dfw69 said:
…we who have put our faith in him don’t look for an earthly Jerusalem we look for a heavenly Jerusalem which currently resides in heaven

The new Jerusalem does not come until the Millennium is over. No Prophecy says we go there before then.

dfw69 said:
Interesting… when we’re they exiled? what date?

The Assyrian conquest of the House of Israel, was in 722 BC. But the final exile and replacement of the Israelites by Samarians, took place about 715-712 BC. About 2730 years ago.

dfw69 said:
You seem to say the lord hates Christians and has kept them in darkness …

Isaiah 42:18-20 Who is so blind as My servant; the ones who have My trust?
Many other scriptures also say how most people will only know God's Plans after they happen.

dfw69 said:
Can you be more specific? How will the lord save you

We can be protected by the Lord if we truly believe and trust Him. From all the vividly prophesied events to happen before Jesus Returns.

dfw69 said:
In heaven there is peace no crime no death no judgment eternal life tears wipe away by god basically no place can be like heaven unless heaven comes to us

As it will be for Eternity; AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7

dfw69 · Mar 12, 2023

keras said:
We Christians are the descendants of Abraham by faith AND by our ancestry, as every living person today has some of his genes.
Galatians 3:26-20 & Galatians 6:14-16

No keras we are only the children of god by adoption through yasha and we are Abraham children by adoption through yasha understand? Not by flesh ,but by the Spirit through faith in him

keras said:
The new Jerusalem does not come until the Millennium is over.

Yes

keras said:
No Prophecy says we go there before then.

Yes it does but again you cannot see the glory which will be revealed in us ….

Seems like im tell you a new thing before it happens ..you know what we say concerning the rapture but don’t believe.

Why not? Is it simply because you can’t see it anywhere in scripture? does the scriptures blind you from seeing the glory god wants you to have?

keras said:
The Assyrian conquest of the House of Israel, was in 722 BC. But the final exile and replacement of the Israelites by Samarians, took place about 715-712 BC. About 2730 years ago.

712+2023 is 2735 years, so over 2730 years by 5 years now…..

what’s the significance of this ?

So your saying Israel cut off for 2730 years for disobedience to the law and for practicing idolatry? And now what? God is now calling them back to what? Jerusalem and the land of Israel?

keras said:
Isaiah 42:18-20 Who is so blind as My servant; the ones who have My trust?
Many other scriptures also say how most people will only know God's Plans after they happen.

we are not his servants keras .. servants abide not in the house forever…we are his children …we are the children of promise …it is Jerusalem and her children who are bound to the law and are the servants of god Gal 4:22-30

But anyone that turn back to put their faith in yasha will be free to become the children of yasha

keras said:
We can be protected by the Lord if we truly believe and trust Him. From all the vividly prophesied events to happen before Jesus Returns.

Those events you speak of and the return of yasha to reign in Jerusalem is not happening anytime soon Keras

Be careful your not deceived into walking into the soon coming false messianic age

keras said:
As it will be for Eternity; AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7

The millennium is not starting anytime soon … so beware

Heaven on earth is unfortunately still some time away for the inhabitants of the earth as long as evil men rule this world

keras · Mar 13, 2023

dfw69 said:
So your saying Israel cut off for 2730 years for disobedience to the law and for practicing idolatry? And now what? God is now calling them back to what? Jerusalem and the land of Israel?

Many scriptures say that the House of Israel will come back to all of the holy land, as Christian believers and they will display the power and glory of God; being His witnesses and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 & Isaiah 49:3-8, Matthew 5:14-16
We do not know the exact date the ancient Israelites were finally exiled, but the point is that God does have a decreed time for that exile and it is over about now.

dfw69 said:
Heaven on earth is unfortunately still some time away for the inhabitants of the earth as long as evil men rule this world

This situation will change very quickly, when Jesus Returns and wipes out the last of the ungodly. Revelation 19:11-21

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