Jack Phillips of Masterpiece Cakeshop Refuses to Bake a Birthday Cake for Transgendered Person

DaisyDay · Jan 27, 2023

Colorado baker loses appeal over transgender birthday cake

The Christian baker, Jack Phillips, maintains that the cakes he creates are a form of speech and plans to appeal.

www.nbcnews.com

He initially agreed to bake the birthday cake, pink with blue frosting, but then reneged when the customer said she intended to also celebrate her transition from male to female.

“We conclude that creating a pink cake with blue frosting is not inherently expressive and any message or symbolism it provides to an observer would not be attributed to the baker,” said the court, which also rejected procedural arguments from Phillips.

“They just object to the idea of Ms. Scardina wanting a birthday cake that reflects her status as a transgender woman because they object to the existence of transgender people,” he said of Phillips and his shop.

The Colorado Human Rights Commission has not joined the lawsuit.

Hammster · Jan 27, 2023

He should have the right to refuse service to anyone.

DaisyDay · Jan 27, 2023

Hammster said:
He should have the right to refuse service to anyone.

That's not the way business licenses work. You can refuse service for most reasons but not for belonging to a class of people.

Hammster · Jan 27, 2023

DaisyDay said:
That's not the way business licenses work. You can refuse service for most reasons but not for belonging to a class of people.

Again, you should be able to.

DaisyDay · Jan 27, 2023

Hammster said:
Again, you should be able to.

Again, our laws disagree.

PloverWing · Jan 27, 2023

I can appreciate a lawyer wanting to make a legal point. Still, if the ultimate goal is for LGBTQ people and allies to find a way to live in harmony with our conservative neighbors, this seems needlessly provocative. Surely there are other bakeries in Colorado that people can go to; we all know this baker is conservative, and I'd be prepared to leave him alone to live his life. Lawsuits are an important mechanism for justice when we need them, but they should be the last resort, not the first resort. I don't think a sequence of lawsuits is really going to get us to the kind of respectful-yet-diverse community we want to live in. Right now, it looks like we're people who like to pick on bake shops.

hislegacy · Jan 27, 2023

How many of these lawsuits have to happen before they get the message - has any of them succeeded?

Colorado baker who won Supreme Court battle calls gender transition cake case 'a trap'

EXCLUSIVE: Colorado baker Jack Phillips who won a case before the U.S. Supreme Court in 2018 after refusing to make a custom wedding cake for a same-sex couple, spent the week on trial again—this time for denying a request to bake a cake to celebrate a gender transition—telling Fox News that the...

www.foxnews.com

This is the third time - the Supreme Court ruled - get over it an find another baker.

"This case started the day the Supreme Court decided they were going to hear our case. It was a very busy, very crazy day at the shop," Phillips explained. "In the middle of all of this chaos, we got a phone call from an attorney in Denver asking us to create a cake pink on the inside with blue icing on the outside."

Phillips told Fox News that he was told "it was two colors, a color scheme, a combination, designed to celebrate a gender transition."

The customer, Autumn Scardina, an attorney, requested the cake in 2017 in honor of her gender transition.

"We told the customer, this caller, that this cake was a cake we couldn’t create because of the message, the caller turned around and sued us," Phillips told Fox News. "This customer came to us intentionally to get us to create a cake or deny creating a cake that went against our religious beliefs."

Hammster · Jan 27, 2023

DaisyDay said:
Again, our laws disagree.

Our laws are wrong.

Pommer · Jan 27, 2023

PloverWing said:
I can appreciate a lawyer wanting to make a legal point. Still, if the ultimate goal is for LGBTQ people and allies to find a way to live in harmony with our conservative neighbors, this seems needlessly provocative. Surely there are other bakeries in Colorado that people can go to; we all know this baker is conservative, and I'd be prepared to leave him alone to live his life. Lawsuits are an important mechanism for justice when we need them, but they should be the last resort, not the first resort. I don't think a sequence of lawsuits is really going to get us to the kind of respectful-yet-diverse community we want to live in. Right now, it looks like we're people who like to pick on bake shops.

We don’t jail “them” nor put “them” into mental hospitals anymore, and they should be grateful for that and stay out of public as much as possible?
Really?

Pommer · Jan 27, 2023

Hammster said:
Our laws are wrong.

Fortunately we have a process to change our laws.

Hammster · Jan 27, 2023

Pommer said:
Fortunately we have a process to change our laws.

Someday we will return to sanity and remember that privately owned businesses can operate as they see fit.

Pommer · Jan 27, 2023

Hammster said:
Someday we will return to sanity and remember that privately owned businesses can operate as they see fit.

And maybe then these nontypical people will “know their place”?
Sounds delightful.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Jan 27, 2023

Hammster said:
Our laws are wrong.

Not in this case. I should be able to get a birthday cake under any name or sex I want. Christian s shouldn't be acting this way.

Hammster · Jan 27, 2023

Pommer said:
And maybe then these nontypical people will “know their place”?
Sounds delightful.

Yeah. They’ll know to go where they will be served gladly. The free market is great.

Hammster · Jan 27, 2023

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
Not in this case. I should be able to get a birthday cake under any name or sex I want. Christian s shouldn't be acting this way.

Why do your supposed freedoms trump someone else’s?

essentialsaltes · Jan 27, 2023

Hammster said:
Why do your supposed freedoms trump someone else’s?

Everybody has the freedom to make use of public accommodations without discrimination based on their gender.

SilverBear · Jan 27, 2023

Hammster said:
He should have the right to refuse service to anyone.

SilverBear · Jan 27, 2023

PloverWing said:
I can appreciate a lawyer wanting to make a legal point. Still, if the ultimate goal is for LGBTQ people and allies to find a way to live in harmony with our conservative neighbors, this seems needlessly provocative. Surely there are other bakeries in Colorado that people can go to; we all know this baker is conservative, and I'd be prepared to leave him alone to live his life. Lawsuits are an important mechanism for justice when we need them, but they should be the last resort, not the first resort. I don't think a sequence of lawsuits is really going to get us to the kind of respectful-yet-diverse community we want to live in. Right now, it looks like we're people who like to pick on bake shops.

I just posted a sign from the era of segregation. By your reasoning this should have fully accepted by black people as there were other theaters, they could go and use.

Hammster · Jan 27, 2023

essentialsaltes said:
Everybody has the freedom to make use of public accommodations without discrimination based on their gender.

Sure. But we are talking about privately owned businesses.

Hammster · Jan 27, 2023

SilverBear said:

And?

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