Ummm.
I don't see any scripture here.
I also depend on the bible.
Where in the NT does it state that our free will is limited?
Not answered above.
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A troublesome verse for the Calvinist
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I don't see any scripture here.
I also depend on the bible.
Where in the NT does it state that our free will is limited?
Not answered above.
You wouldn't make such a good witness for God.
We are told to be ready if asked why we believe.
You could tell ME the above,
but not a non-believer.
I'm afraid they'd want more.
You haven't ever considered what you would say?
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I don't understand.
HOW do the above show that we have limited free will?
Pick one, or all, but explain please.
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Isn't that on the page where the moon is made of dairy cheese?
Do you think for a minute that we can choose to be always sinless in thought, word and deed?
See post #159.
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I'll save him some time and offer a little here. . .
Did you choose to be born again?
The unregenerate cannot choose to submit to, nor can they choose to please God. . .that's the NT talking.
Did we choose to be spiritually born of God in the new birth?
The apostate cannot choose to repent. . .he has "tasted" Christianity and spit it out. . .and cannot be persuaded to choose that food again.
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Of the three lines, you can understand the last two.
The first line is a pathetic way of saying that it is not in the Bible, just as the substance of the moon is not in the Bible.
We have the difference between American Protestantism and European Catholicism between us (which has nothing to do with the above and the moon).
American Catholicism communicates pretty well with American Protestantism.
European Catholicism has more difficulty.
And a cute one. . .
The "him" is Mark, to whom your query is addressed.
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All the verses posted below are directly addressing receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life based only on faith in The Messiah. Which is directly opposite of any verse you have posted that do not address receiving eternal life. Your verses have addressed love, sin, obedience, etc.. but never Eternal Life.
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believe in Me has everlasting life.
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”
but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
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Hi d,
Good verses.
Did you notice that they're in the present tense?
We must CONTINUE to believe in order to be saved.
We must have faith in order to be saved.
If we believe, trust, honor, obey, (which is what believe means) then we will be saved.
If we HAVE faith, we will be saved.
If we abandon our faith, we will not be saved.
Must leave.
Will post a few verses that come to mind...
I don't know why this has to be debated...
Don't we Christians WANT to obey God?
1 Timothy 4:1 In later times some will DEPART FROM THE FAITH.
Revelation 2:4 You have abandoned your first love...abandoned.
Romans 11:19-22 It is possible for God to break off branches, but much kindness toward us PROVIDED we continue in His kindness.
Colossians 1:23 We are reconciled to God IF WE CONTINUE in our faith.
many more...
-night
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My bad. I thought it was obvious. I will answer below these two posts that I copy into here for reference.
GodsGrace101 said:
I dont know about philosophical free will.
Only biblical.
Post some scripture that states our free will is limited...
So, my answer, expanded to make it plain what I mean by use of those verses:
John 1:13 If a person is born of the spirit, and not of human decision, then the will isn't free to bring about salvation.
Romans 8:7,8 If the mind of flesh ("carnal mind" KJV) cannot submit to God's law, and cannot please God, then there are two of the many things the will of the unregenerate is not free to do.
Ephesians 2:1 If a person is [spiritually] dead, his will is not free to do anything [spiritually].
Ephesians 2:1-10 If GOD is the one who makes the dead alive, the will is not free to do the job.
Hebrews 6:1-6 If it is impossible for someone to be renewed unto repentance, there is another thing the will of such a person is unable to do.
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Can't answer.
I ask you a serious question,
And you give me sarcasm.
Plus, it's 2,23 am here.
How come we have no emoji??
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Whether you realize this or not (it doesn't really change your conclusion at all) but the Greek word for "respecter of persons" is almost always used in the context of "not respecting who the sin comes from (be they rich, poor, etc)."
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Are you sure about that?
What I recall is your assertion that I wouldn't make a good witness for God.
To which I responded with what Paul resolved would be his witness for God.
To which you "Can't answer."
Get some rest.
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