‘Get rid of them trash books,’ - West Michigan library millage fails again over LGBTQ books

Ligurian said:

"(50 posts ago)" ... This forum's SEARCH can't find, "don't understand it either." in this thread... until this page.

I'd have to see it in context to know that you understood me well enough to correctly paraphrase what I may have said.

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Bradskii said:

No. Because you don't seem to understand the relationship between a child and a teacher.

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Ligurian: And I don't think like you do, either.

The meaning is crystal clear.

essentialsaltes said:

For the 11th time, regardless of its appropriateness or lack thereof, this book was never in the kids section of this library.

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Like most threads it's evolved into more than that. It's about these kinda of books marketed to kids.

Bradskii said:

It sounds like you don't have kids. ... Your kid isn't going to turn into a right wing, basketball loving, death metal member of the local gay alliance chapter.

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Ligurian said:

Because I don't respond the way you do?

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Bradskii said:

No. Because you don't seem to understand the relationship between a child and a teacher.

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Ligurian said:

And I don't think like you do, either.

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Bradskii said:

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Ligurian: And I don't think like you do, either.

The meaning is crystal clear.

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Crystal clear ...to you... if you rip it out of context and get to decide what someone else meant.

You: It sounds like you don't have kids.
Me: Because I don't respond the way you do?
You: Because you don't seem to understand the relationship between a child and a teacher.
Me: And I don't think like you do, either.

"I don't think like you do" = "I don't believe what you believe".

Bradskii said:

You used a term to me about that relationship (teacher/pupil) saying that 'you don't understand it either.' (50 posts ago).

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Apparently you also couldn't find "don't understand it either."
I don't accept your substitute phrase or your out-of-context definition of my own meaning.

If I thought the way you think, then I would believe your proposed relationship between child and teacher.
Personally, I've never thought that hirelings are what God had in mind when He made humans capable of reproduction.

Ligurian said:

Only if "The meaning is crystal clear." = you're on the mirror-side of two-way glass.

No wonder I couldn't find it. 310-50=268 ... that's some seriously bad math, right there.

"I don't think like you do" = "I don't believe what you believe".



Apparently you also couldn't find "don't understand it either" ...
......... so you tried to substitute "I don't think like you do, either."
And then tried to define them as the same thing.

Is that what they're teaching in school, these days?

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If the grammar has you confused as to the meaning, I can't help you. Not that I'm inclined to do so in case. This thread has run it's course.

essentialsaltes said:

For the 11th time, regardless of its appropriateness or lack thereof, this book was never in the kids section of this library.

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Does that matter?

I don't want to sound like some hip insider, but I've been in libraries. There's nobody to stop me from going to the kid's section and grabbing a book, or vice versa.

Ligurian said:

You: It sounds like you don't have kids.
Me: Because I don't respond the way you do?
You: Because you don't seem to understand the relationship between a child and a teacher.
Me: And I don't think like you do, either.

"I don't think like you do" = "I don't believe what you believe".

If I thought the way you think, then I would believe your proposed relationship between child and teacher.
Personally, I've never thought that hirelings are what God had in mind when He made humans capable of reproduction.

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Bradskii said:

If the grammar has you confused as to the meaning, I can't help you.

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I don't respond the way you do...and I don't think like you do, either.

(shrug) Seems grammatically correct to me.

Person Q telling person A what A meant by what A said... I thought only God could do that.

I think that, as ever, there will be little agreement over the issue.

I think that books meant for young adults should be available to them in public libraries - if they are suitable in the opinion of librarians. I disagree with the idea that young people should be 'protected' from facts that are relevant to their lives. If graphic detail is upsetting to some - don't look! My cousin lived on a farm and was thus very closely acquainted with breeding animals. No book could be anywhere near as graphic as the day the bull was brought to the herd.

Young people are not well served by well-meaning prudes who don't like the idea of their children knowing 'stuff'.

I am finished here.

Whyayeman said:

Libraries in this country are by and large able to stock their shelves themselves without the permission of the moral police.

When I was twelve I asked for a copy of Mein Kampf. It was not on the shelves but available on request. I was given it and took it home with me. (It was the dullest book I had ever read.)

My view is that the best people to be in charge of librarians are librarians. As for the specific titles discussed here - I have no idea. I believe sexual topics are available to children. And I believe they should be. I do not think that ignorance equates to innocence; knowledge is power.

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I think books recommending homosexuality, sexual immorality, prostitution and promiscuous behavior should not be in school libraries. These influences perverted adolescents.

dqhall said:

I think books recommending homosexuality, sexual immorality, prostitution and promiscuous behavior should not be in school libraries. These influences perverted adolescents.

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What do you mean by "recommending"?

Whyayeman said:

I think that, as ever, there will be little agreement over the issue.

I think that books meant for young adults should be available to them in public libraries - if they are suitable in the opinion of librarians. I disagree with the idea that young people should be 'protected' from facts that are relevant to their lives. If graphic detail is upsetting to some - don't look! My cousin lived on a farm and was thus very closely acquainted with breeding animals. No book could be anywhere near as graphic as the day the bull was brought to the herd.

Young people are not well served by well-meaning prudes who don't like the idea of their children knowing 'stuff'.

I am finished here.

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I'm very concerned that you believe that graphic depictions of oral sex is appropriate for 12 year olds.

It's just bizarre that anyone would think that opposition to 12 year olds seeing graphic sexual content is prudish.

Whyayeman said:

I think that, as ever, there will be little agreement over the issue.

I think that books meant for young adults should be available to them in public libraries - if they are suitable in the opinion of librarians. I disagree with the idea that young people should be 'protected' from facts that are relevant to their lives. If graphic detail is upsetting to some - don't look! My cousin lived on a farm and was thus very closely acquainted with breeding animals. No book could be anywhere near as graphic as the day the bull was brought to the herd.

Young people are not well served by well-meaning prudes who don't like the idea of their children knowing 'stuff'.

I am finished here.

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Sure, but nobody brought a book on inappropriate behavior with animals to make your bull-mating demo "relevant to their lives".
My mom kept me away from the windows when the neighborhood cat was in heat.

rjs330 said:

I'm very concerned that you believe that graphic depictions of oral sex is appropriate for 12 year olds.

It's just bizarre that anyone would think that opposition to 12 year olds seeing graphic sexual content is prudish.

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I've been hearing rumors about the pedophilia cults in this country... I'm starting to think it's not rumors.

The flood of filth is just beginning. It will permeate to every sector, community, and even into your homes. It will become as the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. You are witnessing it before your eyes,
People fail to realize that when the mob attacked Lot's home, there were aged men and small children in the crowd also. People with no sex drive. The implication is that these people were of reprobate mind. Mental illness had taken them due to the extreme perverseness.

Genesis 19:4
4. Before they laid down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house.

OLD
zaw-kane'
From H2204; old: - aged, ancient (man), elder (-est), old (man, men and . . . women), senator.

YOUNG
nah'-ar
From H5287; (concretely) a boy (as active), from the age of infancy to adolescence; by implication a servant; also (by interchange of sex), a girl (of similar latitude in age): - babe, boy, child, damsel [from the margin], lad, servant, young (man).


So overtaken by their perverted minds with sex, that even after blinded they continued to strive to get to the men (angels).

Genesis 19:11
11. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

The word small here indicates there were little ones in the mobs.

kaw-tawn', kaw-tone'
From H6962; abbreviated, that is, diminutive, literally (in quantity, size or number) or figuratively (in age or importance): - least, less (-ser), little (one), small (-est, one, quantity, thing), young (-er, -est).

The word is elsewhere translated "smallest," "youngest," and "little."

We cannot conceive the wickedness that dwelt in the hearts of these people. Yet today we see the nation moving in this direction. Teaching small children things they cannot conceive. Yet here we are. The line was passed when these things become normalized, common, and became "rights" in culture, society, entertainment, our laws, and courts. Do not be deceived. This is where we are headed. The material being distributed to children, even grade school children has one purpose, and that is to "groom" them into becoming hyper sexuality, perversions, and child prostitutes. These children will be of reprobate minds before they even enter puberty.

Pederasty or paederasty (US: /ˈpɛdəræsti/ or UK: /ˈpiːdəræsti/) is a sexual relationship between an adult man and a pubescent or adolescent boy. The term pederasty is primarily used to refer to historical practices of certain cultures, particularly ancient Greece and ancient Rome.

SavedByGrace3 said:

The flood of filth is just beginning. It will permeate to every sector, community, and even into your homes.
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Pederasty or paederasty (US: /ˈpɛdəræsti/ or UK: /ˈpiːdəræsti/) is a sexual relationship between an adult man and a pubescent or adolescent boy. The term pederasty is primarily used to refer to historical practices of certain cultures, particularly ancient Greece and ancient Rome.

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Not my house... partly because I avoid commercials like the plague.

Sodom and Gomorrah are not 'particularly Greece and Rome'... which you noticed.

In fact, "ancient Greece" isn't all that ancient... or even Greek. The Coming of the Greeks was forced upon the indigenous Pelasgians... who migrated to avoid the doings of the invading Greek Spartans and Dorians.

Ancient Rome went from a Republic... to (Democratic?) Empire.

Welsh Triad X. The three forms of government: regal rule, aristocracy and timocracy (or a republic); with their three deteriorated forms, despotism, oligarchy, and democracy.