WWJD Did Jesus Pray to Mary?

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Jesus was created by Holy Spirit and did not need any material of man or ovum of a woman.

So Jesus is an Israelite but not genetically a Hebrew.
Wong on all counts. Jesus is a man in every way that anyone is a man, he is 100% man in every way. His genetics are in the Bible. Where did you get your information?
 
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Wong on all counts. Jesus is a man in every way that anyone is a man, he is 100% man in every way. His genetics are in the Bible. Where did you get your information?

Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, not Joseph, God did not need a material from a man to create Jesus, normal baby is formed by fertilization of ovum by sperm but God did not need that. He created Jesus like Adam, without any parental substance. So Jesus is an Israelite as promised to the Hebrew line of David but not genetically Jews.
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If we are to model ourselves after Jesus Christ and imitate His life by doing what He did while He was alive, would praying to Mary be something we would do?
Well, Jesus did not pray to Mary. And He says to pray to our Father.

He told His disciples to wait after He ascended. And His mother was there with them praying > Acts 1:12-14. Jesus told them to wait in Jerusalem, and there is where they were praying. I see that Mary was obeying Jesus, by waiting there with them all, and praying. I can see that she was obeying Jesus, by praying.

And our Apostle Paul tells us to pray . . . "for all the saints", in Ephesians 6:18. So, all the obedient are commanded to pray for "saints". So, if Mary is obedient, I suppose she does not need to be asked to pray for God's children.

And we are called "children of God", in 1 John 3:1, by the way.

So, if Mary obeyed this, praying for God's children, who is the Mary who is being asked to pray for "sinners" . . . while God's people including Jesus' mother are directed to pray for "all the saints"?

Of course, God's word does say to pray for any and all people . . "first of all" . . . 1 Timothy 2:1-4. And Jesus says to love enemies and pray for ones who treat us badly. So, sinners do not have to ask us to pray for them; so why would the real and obedient Mary need to be asked to do what we are all commanded to do? We ourselves need to be doing whatever we might ask Mary to do, possibly :)

And I notice that when John is on the prison island seeing the vision of Heaven, in the book of Revelation, he does not mention seeing Mary on the throne.

So, the real Mary wants our attention to Jesus, I can see, and to how God wants us to pray > "first of all", we have in 1 Timothy 2:1-4. So, spending a lot of time asking her to do praying . . . when I suppose she already would know what God expects her to do . . . I suppose we need to use our time to do the praying which we are commanded to be doing.
 
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Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, not Joseph, God did not need a material from a man to create Jesus, normal baby is formed by fertilization of ovum by sperm but God did not need that. He created Jesus like Adam, without any parental substance. So Jesus is an Israelite as promised to the Hebrew line of David but not genetically Jews.
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How do you even pretend to know how God impregnated Mary? Clearly Mary was a human parent of Jesus. Jesus was 100% human not some facsimile. Jesus was indeed a Jew, He was born to a Jewish mother, in Judah, and practiced the Jewish religion all this is clearly in the bible. That is about as Jewish as anyone can get. How do you define genetically Jewish?
 
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How do you even pretend to know how God impregnated Mary? Clearly Mary was a human parent of Jesus. Jesus was 100% human not some facsimile. Jesus was indeed a Jew, He was born to a Jewish mother, in Judah, and practiced the Jewish religion all this is clearly in the bible. That is about as Jewish as anyone can get. How do you define genetically Jewish?
 
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How do you even pretend to know how God impregnated Mary? Clearly Mary was a human parent of Jesus. Jesus was 100% human not some facsimile. Jesus was indeed a Jew, He was born to a Jewish mother, in Judah, and practiced the Jewish religion all this is clearly in the bible. That is about as Jewish as anyone can get. How do you define genetically Jewish?

Joseph was not Jesus biological father. A baby is formed by sperm ferqtilization of ovum but God did not need that.
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John 1:14
The Word has become flesh.!
 
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And I notice that when John is on the prison island seeing the vision of Heaven, in the book of Revelation, he does not mention seeing Mary on the throne.
Wrong throne. We need to consider the influence the institutions of man had upon the formation of the institutionalized aspect of Christianity. Having already lost sight of the Gospel of the Kingdom and intent on building one of it's own, the Institution made itself in the image of man's previous institutions and governments. No doubt why in no longer understanding the separation between Kingdom of God and the kingdoms of man, the gentile institution did not see it's error in joining ranks with a man god Caesar Constantine and his mother of the man god, who in her own right assumed the role of patron of the Christian arts so to speak. This mother already had her own throne. Things have a way of melding together into traditions as mom achieved her own notoriety and immortality in Constantinople and Jerusalem. It is upon her say so we have artefacts and the location of religious sites in Jerusalem today. So it is not difficult to see how the mother of a man god could be venerated in an Institution which aligned itself with the Empire. Government churches worship their own in the same way man builds statues of politicians and royalty, while the peoples' church worships God and the Kingdom. As time went on no doubt the two blended together and scripture of Christianity perhaps over time blended into a new meaning more in line with mother of man god of the worldly church than of scripture. Bound to happen when religion turns from the Kingdom and back towards the world of man, making things over in our own image.
 
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Joseph was not Jesus biological father. A baby is formed by sperm ferqtilization of ovum but God did not need that.
@prodromos
John 1:14
The Word has become flesh.!
yes the Word became flesh, the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary she became pregnant and had the child Jesus who was in all ways human and in all ways God and in all ways Jewish, spare us the biology lessons.
 
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Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, not Joseph, God did not need a material from a man to create Jesus, normal baby is formed by fertilization of ovum by sperm but God did not need that. He created Jesus like Adam, without any parental substance. So Jesus is an Israelite as promised to the Hebrew line of David but not genetically Jews.
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God made Adam from the clay and breathed life into him. God then took part of Adam's flesh, his rib, and formed Eve. Since that time, God has taken flesh from both mother and father to create each new person, except for His Son where He took flesh from Mary only.

Every human being shares the same flesh. It is why all humans suffer the consequences of Adam's fall and why all humans can be redeemed through Christ's death and resurrection. If Christ is not our flesh, then His death and resurrection would have only redeemed His own unique flesh which would have had no need of redemption. Christ took on our flesh and took it to the grave and then rose it back to life, thereby destroying the power death formerly had over our flesh. If it was not our flesh that was healed through Christ's incarnation, death and resurrection, then we are all still dead in our sins and there is no hope for a resurrection from the dead.
 
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Why would Jesus pray to Mary when she is still alive and traveling around with him?
Well He wouldn't then, but He never instructed us to do that either, and He knew she wouldn't be alive forever. He never told us to pray to Saints either, or Himself. He only told us to pray to God.
 
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Well He wouldn't then, but He never instructed us to do that either, and He knew she wouldn't be alive forever. He never told us to pray to Saints either, or Himself. He only told us to pray to God.

Well, it has been suggested in the bible to pray for each other then we have revelations showing us saints giving prayers to the lord.
 
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Being God, Jesus would have no need to ask any man or woman for anything, just as being God, He had nothing to repent of. We don't follow His example of not repenting, rather we obey His instruction to repent. The whole premise of the OP is nonsense.
 
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Being God, Jesus would have no need to ask any man or woman for anything, just as being God, He had nothing to repent of. We don't follow His example of not repenting, rather we obey His instruction to repent. The whole premise of the OP is nonsense.

For once we are in complete agreement. I have refrained from posting on this thread precisely because the whole premise of the OP is nonsense.
 
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Well, it has been suggested in the bible to pray for each other then we have revelations showing us saints giving prayers to the lord.
Giving prayers to the Lord. Exactly.
 
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For once we are in complete agreement. I have refrained from posting on this thread precisely because the whole premise of the OP is nonsense.
Nonsense? Did Jesus not tell us to only pray to God the Father? Is that nonsense? I am just wondering. Please include scripture if you have found otherwise.
 
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