Do you believe in paying an honest tithe of 10%?

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    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • No

    Votes: 8 61.5%

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I read this article on TITHING and think it appeals to a selfish heart ~ we should pay our tithe because we LOVE GOD, and want to support His workers in this world...we shouldn't pay tithe because of SELFISH MOTIVES of receiving great blessings.

"Bring the entire tenth to the storerooms in my temple. Then there will be plenty of food. Put me to the test," says the LORD. "Then you will see that I will throw open the windows of heaven. I will pour out so many blessings that you will not have enough room for them." Malachi 3:10.​

The verse does say we will be GREATLY BLESSED, but those blessings may come in many ways....like HEALTH, MENTAL STABILITY, WORK, SAFETY, all kinds of blessings...but we shouldn't pay TITHE just to receive the blessings.

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Everyone should be required to take a course in sales and attend a conference to watch the masters at work. Then you wouldn’t succumb to psychological and behavioral manipulation or emotional brainwashing to free you from your pennies.
 
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If Christians are giving money in order to gain some sort of favour from God, then that is a sin.

We should give 10% to our elders in Church, so they can pay for their housing and living, and don't need a job so they can spend more time with God and us, helping us to grow spiritually. As the scripture says, 'the labourer deserves His wages'.

I think 2 Corinthians 8 teaches all about this. We should also examine our elders, if they are of the Spirit of God and if they are not using us for financial gains, because there is a lot of teachers to whom you don't have to give anything.

But I agree, give from a generous heart, because it is the right thing to do, and not because you want something from God. For even money is God's and you are only returning something that is His.
 
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Are you Jewish living some 3000 years ago. Because tithing is not a church function given by God. Giving is what God has assigned the church to do, give according how God has blessed a believer.
Where does the Bible say that TITHING is only for the Jews?
 
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I read this article on TITHING and think it appeals to a selfish heart ~ we should pay our tithe because we LOVE GOD, and want to support His workers in this world...we shouldn't pay tithe because of SELFISH MOTIVES of receiving great blessings.

"Bring the entire tenth to the storerooms in my temple. Then there will be plenty of food. Put me to the test," says the LORD. "Then you will see that I will throw open the windows of heaven. I will pour out so many blessings that you will not have enough room for them." Malachi 3:10.​

The verse does say we will be GREATLY BLESSED, but those blessings may come in many ways....like HEALTH, MENTAL STABILITY, WORK, SAFETY, all kinds of blessings...but we shouldn't pay TITHE just to receive the blessings.

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If I say to myself I have a set amount to give, it too easily slips into a perfunctory act. I think the tithe was intended to ensure that those who gave begrudgingly did it anyway. I don't want to be cajoled into helping others so my approach is to ask (pray) for ways to give and help. Trust me when I say this, if you ask, you will receive lol. I don't have to give as a perfunctory act. Need always shows up, and I'm happy to give because I know the source (although, I am discerning and know when someone is trying to milk it. I have cut people off).

The other purpose of a tithe, I think, is to support my local congregation and their ministries. But, again, just give. A heart that wants to give doesn't need to be coerced. I'm not saying people shouldn't tithe; it's just not my approach and not really needed. I certainly don't think giving with an eye to getting a return is a good approach.
 
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I believe that is your position to show that God has commanded the church to tithe like He did Israel.
So you are saying there is no evidence that TITHING was only for the Jews? You are right. The JEWS happened to be God's people back then, and Christians are His people today....the same blessings promised to the Jews for tithing, are promised to the Christians for tithing. Being a Jew had nothing to do with TITHING. Before there was a Jewish Nation, Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek. Before there was a Jewish Nation, Jacob paid tithe. Jesus in the New Testament said, regarding TITHE ~

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things." Matthew 23:23.
No place in the Bible does away with Tithing for today's Christians.
 
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One day i received some money i was an unbeliever almost, and i donated the 'tithe' to a church, some days after i found a new job, i thought God had blessed me, so i went to church to say 'thanks', for my surprise the Holy spirit touched me in a way that i discovered God and i knew after that he is close to people and likes to interact with them. Before this i didn't live the christian life, and thought God was a judge far away in the sky not very close to 'mortals', after this experience i had no doubt he existed.

Anyway i believe in tithe and voted yes (i am the only one lol) because in the bible people were even donating their houses to church!!!, so why not a little 10% even if in the new testament is not mentioned i don't care God 'blesses the giver with glad heart'

But don't confuse me with someone that would support 'pastors' that try to gain money from the gospel and with bad intentions.
 
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One day i received some money i was an unbeliever almost, and i donated the 'tithe' to a church, some days after i found a new job, i thought God had blessed me, so i went to church to say 'thanks', for my surprise the Holy spirit touched me in a way that i discovered God and i knew after that he is close to people and likes to interact with them. Before this i didn't live the christian life, and thought God was a judge far away in the sky not very close to 'mortals', after this experience i had no doubt he existed.

Anyway i believe in tithe and voted yes (i am the only one lol) because in the bible people were even donating their houses to church!!!, so why not a little 10% even if in the new testament is not mentioned i don't care God 'blesses the giver with glad heart'

But don't confuse me with someone that would support 'pastors' that try to gain money from the gospel and with bad intentions.
That is a great testimony NBB :) If we are sincere, God will reach us, using many different methods :)
 
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Where does the Bible say that TITHING is only for the Jews?

Here:
Lev: 27

1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the Lord by thy estimation.
(MY NOTE: The Lord tells Moses to tell: The CHILDREN OF ISRAEL)

30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.
(MY NOTE: Here the decree is a tenth/tithe required for seed & fruit)

31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
(MY NOTE: If the land owner wanted to bring cash to the Temple instead, he had to add 20% to the required tithe)

32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord.
(MY NOTE: Here the decree is on herds/flocks)

Additionally: The year of Jubilee (every 50th yr)

Every 7th (Sabbath) year (Exodus 23:10-11), and 50th (Jubilee) year (Leviticus 25:10-11), the entire nation of tithers, within the nation of Israel were completely excluded from paying tithes for the entire year.
 
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So you are saying there is no evidence that TITHING was only for the Jews? You are right. The JEWS happened to be God's people back then, and Christians are His people today....the same blessings promised to the Jews for tithing, are promised to the Christians for tithing. Being a Jew had nothing to do with TITHING. Before there was a Jewish Nation, Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek. Before there was a Jewish Nation, Jacob paid tithe. Jesus in the New Testament said, regarding TITHE ~

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things." Matthew 23:23.
No place in the Bible does away with Tithing for today's Christians.

That is what i though, that you could not post any instruction, command from God to The Church to tithe. But of course i have seen in the past that you place yourself under The Law and follow laws given to the Hebrews by God.

So really noting else to add.
 
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That is what i though, that you could not post any instruction, command from God to The Church to tithe. But of course i have seen in the past that you place yourself under The Law and follow laws given to the Hebrews by God.

So really noting else to add.
You don't consider Jesus to be God??? He Himself said,

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things." Matthew 23:23.
If Jesus telling you that you should pay tithe isn't enough, there is nothing more I can say. I have given you direct words from Jesus Himself that we are commanded to pay tithe, and you ignore them. Yet you have not given me ANY words from the Bible that states you are not required to pay tithe. But, that is what you want to believe....you do not want to accept the clear teaching that Christians should be paying tithe so you will do your best to figure a way around it. All your figuring won't do you any good though, come Judgment Day when you stand before God and He asks you, "Why you didn't pay an honest tithe?"
 
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Here:
Lev: 27

1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the Lord by thy estimation.
(MY NOTE: The Lord tells Moses to tell: The CHILDREN OF ISRAEL)

30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.
(MY NOTE: Here the decree is a tenth/tithe required for seed & fruit)

31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
(MY NOTE: If the land owner wanted to bring cash to the Temple instead, he had to add 20% to the required tithe)

32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord.
(MY NOTE: Here the decree is on herds/flocks)

Additionally: The year of Jubilee (every 50th yr)

Every 7th (Sabbath) year (Exodus 23:10-11), and 50th (Jubilee) year (Leviticus 25:10-11), the entire nation of tithers, within the nation of Israel were completely excluded from paying tithes for the entire year.
Those texts don't say anything about TITHE being ONLY for the Jews. Yes, the Jews were called to pay tithe....but BEFORE there were Jews, Abraham paid tithe, Jacob paid tithe, and Jesus HIMSELF has told us that we should pay tithe ~

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things." Matthew 23:23.
All your texts prove is that TITHING was required of the Jews. They do not prove that TITHING is NOT REQUIRED of Christians.
 
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Those texts don't say anything about TITHE being ONLY for the Jews. Yes, the Jews were called to pay tithe....but BEFORE there were Jews, Abraham paid tithe, Jacob paid tithe, and Jesus HIMSELF has told us that we should pay tithe ~

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things." Matthew 23:23.
All your texts prove is that TITHING was required of the Jews. They do not prove that TITHING is NOT REQUIRED of Christians.

The tithes were paid at the at the Temple to the priests priests, to support Temple sacrificial work & provide for all the priests.

When the Temple was destroyed there was no reason for tithes.

Would you be kind enough to provide 1 scripture that requires NT Christians to pay a tithe?
 
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The tithes were paid at the at the Temple to the priests priests, to support Temple sacrificial work & provide for all the priests.

When the Temple was destroyed there was no reason for tithes.

Would you be kind enough to provide 1 scripture that requires NT Christians to pay a tithe?
Not only is the text from the New Testament, it is the WORDS of JESUS HIMSELF ~

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things." Matthew 23:23.​
 
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Not only is the text from the New Testament, it is the WORDS of JESUS HIMSELF ~

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things." Matthew 23:23.​

Again read the verse, Jesus is speaking to Jews, while the Temple is still operating.

The Lev verses I shared earlier were written/given to the Children of Israel not NT believers.
 
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Again read the verse, Jesus is speaking to Jews, while the Temple is still operating.

The Lev verses I shared earlier were written/given to the Children of Israel not NT believers.
Well, who else do you think He would be speaking to in the Jewish temple? Gentiles were not allowed in there.

For the same reasons that tithe was required back then to be paid by His faithful people, so the requirement is the same today.

Do you have any texts that say it is no longer necessary to pay tithe? I've never seen one.
 
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If you’re going to argue the tithe you can’t dismiss the promises that accompanied them. Not one or two verses that support the principle. But everything.

Either you’re operating in the fullness of His promises to Israel or you’re not. There’s no wiggle room or cherry picking. It’s pretty cut and dry.

I don’t see a lot of evidence for Deuteronomy 28 in believers. You don’t have the favor, healing, prosperity, etc. And never have.
 
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The NT/Body of Christ isn't under OT Levitical law tithe requirements.

Tithe info OT the tithe (under the Mosaic law) wasn't money according to Leviticus 27:30; it being the fruit of the tree, seed of the ground and the 10th animal to pass under the rod. Other passages such as Malachi 3:10 "that there might be food in my house (THE TEMPLE) ," also confirm that the tithe was fruit, seed & animals, not money.

People paid three tithes of a tenth each, not one. The Levitical tithe (Numbers 18:19-20), the festival tithe (Deuteronomy 14:22-17), and the poor tithe, every 3rd year (Deuteronomy 14:28-29). So if your religion regard's itself as being under the Biblical command to pay tithes, then preach three tithes not simply one!

No one paid a tithe on money. The tithe was a tax on only agricultural produce. Example: A fisherman paid nothing on his catch, tradesmen, cobblers, potters, the women, who made the soldiers garments, the servants who worked in the fields for wages, were not required to pay tithe.

The tithe was exclusively a tax on the produce on the land of Israel, so if you don't live within the Promised land (Israel), then you were not required to pay tithe. Numbers 18:21 clearly states; “all the tithes in Israel,” so tithes were only paid on people’s increase (Deuteronomy 14:22), on their agricultural products (Leviticus 27:30), within the land of Israel

The first of these tithes, the Levitical tithe, was payable only to the Levite tribe of Israel, (Nehemiah 10:37), nobody else was permitted to collect it, and this tithe had to be paid to the tribe of Levi within one of 48 designated cities within Israel (Numbers 35:7).

Every 7th (Sabbath) year (Exodus 23:10-11), and 50th (Jubilee) year (Leviticus 25:10-11), the entire nation of tithers, within the nation of Israel were completely excluded from paying tithes for those entire years.

So if you are not tithing EXACTLY just like this, as in the above six points, then what you are calling tithing, isn't biblical tithing. It's man-made teaching, promoted today by money-grubbing religious extortioners.

I challenge anyone reading this post. To show me ""JUST ONE"" New Testament scripture requiring NT believers to tithe.

1 Corinthians 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, """or extortioners""", or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, """"nor extortioners"""", shall inherit the kingdom of God.
(NOTE: Religions that require tithe are extortioners, """RUN"""!)

Do our local Churches & global ministries need our financial support? Of course, yes, ABSOLUTELY!

1 Cor 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
(NOTE: Bring WEEKLY your best freewill gift)

2 Corinthians 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
(NOTE: Give a little, receive a little, give a lot, receive a lot)

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, ""or of necessity"": for God loveth a cheerful giver.
(NOTE: A tithe was given out of the laws necessity. A worthless gift from todays believer. A freewill gift from the heart is loved and rewarded by our Lord)

When it comes to giving. New covenant Christians are taught to give generously, sacrificial & expectant of a blessing in return. And most certainly be CHEERFULL FREEWILL GIVER'S!

We should all prayerfully examine our giving patterns. Pray earnestly that the Holy Spirit would challenge us. To see whether they are in line with God's New Testament plan of being Generous, Sacrificial, Cheerful Giver's!
 
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