My Continuum Challenge

AV1611VET said:

Not if a distinction is required.

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In that case, as @Hans Blaster explained in #17, 'scientific evolution' would be the appropriate term.

AV1611VET said:

For whom?

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For those requiring to make the distinction.

AV1611VET said:

Okay, I stopped here.

Have a nice day and all.

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No you didn't, you read all I wrote, and until we as Christians deal with this, y'all will keep pushing more people out of the faith over something that ultimately is not a game changer.

AV1611VET said:

Yes, I did.

I promise you I did.

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Okay, I know you're a trustworthy person. You always stick to your guns, and I recognize that. My apologies. Do you realize how this issue over evolution is harmful to others? If you long for people to embrace the faith, why put up unnecessary obstacles?

AV1611VET said:

Are you talking about my challenge threads?

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No, your challenge threads are great; every idea is worthy of discussion, even the worst ones. My target of critique is the assumption that evolution and Christianity are somehow incompatible. The atheist has no greater friend than the Christian fundamentalist. Your "sigh" indicated that you might be just that sort, but if I'm off target, I'll relent. Still, Christians who pit the deliverances of science against the faith are shooting themselves in the foot. God's beautiful and orderly creation is ours to explore, marvel at, and use for the good of humanity. Pitting science against the faith helps no one, but perhaps the fundamentalists who profit off of assumed ignorance.

AV1611VET said:

I was sighing at Post 10, not your post.

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Again, my apologies. Look, I'm wrong all the time so admitting my faults is not an issue. Will you respond to my critique? Do you see the same problem I do?

AV1611VET said:

For those of you who know your history, please put the following list in chronological order and give me the name of someone whom you think should be the poster child for each one.

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Flat Earthism Ogg the Trogg
Geocentrism Ptolemy
Atheistic Evolution Epicurus/Lucretius
Gap Theory Origen of Alexandria / Scofield Reference Bible
Day-Age Theory Saint Augustine / William Jennings Bryan
Theistic Evolution Thomas Aquinas / Leibniz
Progressive Creation Cuvier / Agassiz
Bonus: Omphalos Gosse
Young Earth Creationism McCready Price / Henry Morris

essentialsaltes said:

Atheistic Evolution Epicurus/Lucretius

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It wasn't Lucretius but Locutus.
What better way of demonstrating atheistic evolution through assimilation.

AV1611VET said:

I'll agree that it has all the requirements of a theory.I think it would show good conversational maturity though to at least use the term as a jargon for the sake of Occam's razor.

Kinda like "sunrise" or "sunset" or "moonshine."

Employing the term "atheistic evolution" distinguishes it from "theistic evolution."

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The theory of the evolution is science. I can’t figure out what “atheistic” and “theistic” has to do with it

ruthiesea said:

The theory of the evolution is science. I can’t figure out what “atheistic” and “theistic” has to do with it

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There are a few differences between theistic evolution and the ToE. The main ones are the ToE is silent about anything that has to do with God or Adam and Eve. Josh Swamidass' book the Gemological Adam & Eve was an attempt to bridge the gap at least for A&E and his book did receive endorsements from several atheists and theologians.

AV1611VET said:

Okay.Atheistic evolution (a.k.a., evolution) is evolution as it is taught in secular science.

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Secular science is just science. Evolution is taught there. No one is teaching 'atheistic gravity' in science class.

Theistic evolution (a.k.a., guided evolution) is evolution as it is taught in religious science.

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No such thing as religious science, at least in the sense you mean it. At best there are science classes at religious schools or with religious teachers, where they add some religious opinions to spice up the science.

essentialsaltes said:

Flat Earthism Ogg the Trogg
Geocentrism Ptolemy
Atheistic Evolution Epicurus/Lucretius
Gap Theory Origen of Alexandria / Scofield Reference Bible
Day-Age Theory Saint Augustine / William Jennings Bryan
Theistic Evolution Thomas Aquinas / Leibniz
Progressive Creation Cuvier / Agassiz
Bonus: Omphalos Gosse
Young Earth Creationism McCready Price / Henry Morris

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True story: I had not seen the discussion in "The Origins of Young Earth Creationism" that motivated this thread.

AV1611VET said:

And elbow macaroni is just macaroni.

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Macaroni can be straight, but science can only be secular.