If you distrust election results shouldn't you question all Democrat and republican victories?

perplexed · Nov 27, 2021

Albion said:
What I did was point out many of the erroneous claims that are made by people who feel the need to insist, against all the evidence, that nothing happened, never, not at all, under no circumstances, and so on. !

I honestly do not understand how you can say this, can you paraphrase Bill Barr's comments about their being no widespread voter fraud.

Albion · Nov 27, 2021

perplexed said:
I honestly do not understand how you can say this,...

First, we need to be sure what the "this" is. And the answer is here--

many of the erroneous claims that are made by people who feel the need to insist, against all the evidence, that nothing happened,...

With that in mind, you can understand why I can have replied as I did. It's because I've read post after post from people saying that which I pointed to as incorrect. There's nothing obscure or confusing about that.

perplexed · Nov 27, 2021

Albion said:
I can say it because I've read post after post from people saying that.

And I never understand it, can you please paraphrase what Bill Barr said about their being no widespread voter fraud so I can understand we are on a totally "different frequency"

perplexed · Nov 27, 2021

Albion said:
First, we need to be sure what the "this" is. And the answer is here--

With that in mind, you can understand why I can have replied as I did. It's because I've read post after post from people saying that which I pointed to as incorrect. There's nothing obscure or confusing about that.

Sorry no I still don't understand , Can you please paraphrase what Bill Barr said about their being no widespread voter fraud

cow451 · Nov 27, 2021

Albion said:
No, I'm just impressed that you have evaluated all the hundreds of statements made by eyewitnesses to what appear to be cases of vote fraud, and I'd therefore be interested in you revealing your insights about them rather than making some dismissive comments about one witness as though that proves anything.

Frankly, I have to put it into the same drawer as the many table-pounding assertions made here and elsewhere by people who say, flatly, "no fraud, no witnesses, no evidence, no nothing, don't want to hear it."

Can’t hear or see what doesn’t exist. You cannot hear or see that Biden won a free and fair election. That’s why you won’t engage in any depth about specific situations like GA.

cow451 · Nov 27, 2021

98cwitr said:
No, as there are plenty of ballots cast for just the Presidency. Look up frequency of term "undervoting"

VERIFY: Normal to have ballots marked to vote just for president | king5.com

Under voting is not fraud. Duh.

cow451 · Nov 27, 2021

Albion said:
That's already been addressed. The cases were rejected on other grounds. Yet the people who get all their news from MSNBC continue to insist that the evidence was evaluated by the courts and was found to be unconvincing.

What reliable media is saying that the election was stolen? Or that there is actual evidence of widespread fraud. Trump’s own DOJ said there was no widespread fraud.

Strathos · Nov 27, 2021

cow451 said:
What reliable media is saying that the election was stolen? Or that there is actual evidence of widespread fraud. Trump’s own DOJ said there was no widespread fraud.

It still amazes me that there are people who still believe the Big Lie after absolutely nothing has ever materialized from all of the investigations.

The Trump voters who have moved on to 'Yeah, Biden won fair and square, but he's doing a bad job' are a lot more respectable in my eyes.

stevil · Nov 28, 2021

Strathos said:
It still amazes me that there are people who still believe the Big Lie after absolutely nothing has ever materialized from all of the investigations.=

As far as I understand it,

They have been taught that any news source that isn't right wing, is left wing. They don't believe in any non partisan media.
Everything to them is partisan. FBI, CIA, Justice Department, Supreme Court, MSM
And those Conservatives that say anything at all bad about Trump or even admit the 2020 election was legit, they are taught these people are RINOs, never Trumpers, Republican Establishment etc.

They won't listen to anyone that isn't 100% inline with Trump.

TLK Valentine · Nov 28, 2021

cow451 said:
What reliable media is saying that the election was stolen? Or that there is actual evidence of widespread fraud. Trump’s own DOJ said there was no widespread fraud.

Ah, but we all know that the answer to the biased mainstream media is coming:

DTV -- All Donald; All the time.

Albion · Nov 28, 2021

Strathos said:
It still amazes me that there are people who still believe the Big Lie after absolutely nothing has ever materialized from all of the investigations.

They're probably amazed that there are people who believe the Big Lie that there is no evidence.

cow451 · Nov 28, 2021

Albion said:
They're probably amazed that there are people who believe the Big Lie that there is no evidence.

Then tell us about GA and how the massive evidence has been ignored by the Republican Governor and Republican Secretary of State. I would love to hear about it. Oh, the Republican-appointed judges as well. I am so ready to hear about it. I’ve asked you before and you have not responded. An oversight I’m certain.

TLK Valentine · Nov 28, 2021

Albion said:
They're probably amazed that there are people who believe the Big Lie that there is no evidence.

Why then didn't Donald's legal ~~experts~~ team present any of this evidence in court?

Albion · Nov 28, 2021

TLK Valentine said:
Why then didn't Donald's legal ~~experts~~ team present any of this evidence in court?

They did.

In some cases, the judges ruled it insufficient, but presenting evidence they certainly did. In Nevada, for just one example, Trump's legal team presented evidence of 100,000 ballots having been either fraudulent or counted improperly, which is to say, illegally.

TLK Valentine · Nov 28, 2021

Albion said:
They did.

And they lost. Every. Single. Time.

Any reason you're expecting different results than their cavalcade of failures?

In some cases, the judges ruled it insufficient, but presenting evidence they certainly did.

Insufficient evidence.

In Nevada, for just one example, Trump's legal team presented evidence of 100,000 ballots having been either fraudulent or counted improperly, which is to say, illegally.

A pity they didn't provide sufficient evidence of that claim. It would've broken their epic losing streak.

cow451 · Nov 28, 2021

Albion said:
They did.

In some cases, the judges ruled it insufficient, but presenting evidence they certainly did. In Nevada, for just one example, Trump's legal team presented evidence of 100,000 ballots having been either fraudulent or counted improperly, which is to say, illegally.

And why did the case fail?

TLK Valentine · Nov 28, 2021

cow451 said:
And why did the case fail?

As albion pointed out: insufficient evidence.

Any yahoo can claim they saw something, and that's "evidence" in the loosest sense of the word.

But when it came time to put up or shut up, well... they had nothing to put up.

perplexed · Nov 28, 2021

Albion said:
They're probably amazed that there are people who believe the Big Lie that there is no evidence.

Please paraphrase what Bill Barr said about their not being evidence for widespread voter fraud

perplexed · Nov 28, 2021

Albion said:
They did.

In some cases, the judges ruled it insufficient, but presenting evidence they certainly did. In Nevada, for just one example, Trump's legal team presented evidence of 100,000 ballots having been either fraudulent or counted improperly, which is to say, illegally.

I found pages 23 and 24 of this court ruling hilarious

https://election.conservative.org/f...ng-Motion-to-Dismiss-Statement-of-Contest.pdf

would you agree "evidence" discussed on pages 23 and 24 is incredibly pathetic

stevil · Nov 28, 2021

Albion said:
They did.

In some cases, the judges ruled it insufficient, but presenting evidence they certainly did. In Nevada, for just one example, Trump's legal team presented evidence of 100,000 ballots having been either fraudulent or counted improperly, which is to say, illegally.

I couldn't find anything using google about 100,000 Nevada votes.

But I did find this
Fact-check: Did Nevada find 3,062 instances of voter fraud?

Nevada Republican Party: Republicans in Nevada found “at least 3,062 instances of voter fraud. ... Thousands of individuals have been identified who appear to have violated the law by casting ballots after they moved from NV."

Politifact ruled this claim to be FALSE

PolitiFact reached out to Trump’s campaign, a law office representing the campaign, and to the Nevada Republican Party seeking information. We did not hear back.

At this point, the claims are unproven.

Our ruling

The burden of proof is on the speaker making the claim. The information released so far by Trump’s team does not confirm their claim.

We rate the claim False.

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