Preterism, both full & partial, are false.

Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

The entire world was redeemed at the resurrection of Christ. Case closed this discussion is over.

robycop3 said:

There are a couple of preterist "safe houses" here where prets can post their stuff free of counterposts. However, I KNOW preterism is false, both partial and full. And here's how I know:

Full preterism is false because it's VERY-OBVIOUS Jesus hasn't returned. When He does return, He will be seen by all, as He said He will take over the rule of the world after casting the antichrist & false prophet alive into hell. He and His saints will reign over the earth for 1K years. And obviously, that hasn't occurred yet. if you think it has, please tell us the beast/antichrist's name, the date he took power, the name of his sidekick the false prophet, and describe the mark of the beast.

Partial is false because Jesus said He'd return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the great trib. If the trib has already occurred, Jesus is long-overdue !

I have in front of me the Encyclopaedia Britannica, Collier's, & World Book encyclopediae, as well as eleven different Bible versions. And the occurrence of those events is NOT found in ANY of them.
Why?
They simply HAVEN'T YET OCCURRED !

Prets try to reduce "inconvenient" Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status to attempt to cover their lack of evidence for their doctrine, but that won't work, either.

Just face it, Ladies & Gents; your doctrine simply isn't true.

Please, let's keep this thread free of bunny trails & tangents, & keep it on preterism, either defending it or rejecting it as I do. That's why the last similar thread was closed.

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I thought you played this old record before in another thread? Must be a scratch on it as its repeating my friend!

Why discuss it if you are a total non believer in Partial / full preterism?

robycop3 said:

There are a couple of preterist "safe houses" here where prets can post their stuff free of counterposts. However, I KNOW preterism is false, both partial and full. And here's how I know:

Full preterism is false because it's VERY-OBVIOUS Jesus hasn't returned. When He does return, He will be seen by all, as He said He will take over the rule of the world after casting the antichrist & false prophet alive into hell. He and His saints will reign over the earth for 1K years. And obviously, that hasn't occurred yet. if you think it has, please tell us the beast/antichrist's name, the date he took power, the name of his sidekick the false prophet, and describe the mark of the beast.

Partial is false because Jesus said He'd return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the great trib. If the trib has already occurred, Jesus is long-overdue !

I have in front of me the Encyclopaedia Britannica, Collier's, & World Book encyclopediae, as well as eleven different Bible versions. And the occurrence of those events is NOT found in ANY of them.
Why?
They simply HAVEN'T YET OCCURRED !

Prets try to reduce "inconvenient" Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status to attempt to cover their lack of evidence for their doctrine, but that won't work, either.

Just face it, Ladies & Gents; your doctrine simply isn't true.

Please, let's keep this thread free of bunny trails & tangents, & keep it on preterism, either defending it or rejecting it as I do. That's why the last similar thread was closed.

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While I agree with your conclusion …I start from a different perspective.

Whatever Jesus spoke did not include anything about the Grace administration (the mystery of the one body)

Jesus Spoke of what he knew, but he was unaware of the Grace administration which God had kept secret and was not revealed until Paul received it by revelation. So everything that Jesus spoke of…. will take place after the gathering together unto Him 1 Thes 4:13-18

robycop3 said:

Horse Feathers. Jesus has NOT come in a cloud in power & great glory yet. Nor have "these things" yet begun to come to pass.
NEXT PITCH!

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See this pointless. The verses I posted gave the timing of the second coming and you totally disregard the words of the verse and present an argument about clouds that you don’t understand.

Adding to my last post:

How can I debate with someone that doesn’t even know the type of clouds Jesus RETURNED in even exist?

This thread is pointless and just a way of bashing others beliefs.

robycop3 said:

There are a couple of preterist "safe houses" here where prets can post their stuff free of counterposts. However, I KNOW preterism is false, both partial and full. And here's how I know:

Full preterism is false because it's VERY-OBVIOUS Jesus hasn't returned. When He does return, He will be seen by all, as He said He will take over the rule of the world after casting the antichrist & false prophet alive into hell. He and His saints will reign over the earth for 1K years. And obviously, that hasn't occurred yet. if you think it has, please tell us the beast/antichrist's name, the date he took power, the name of his sidekick the false prophet, and describe the mark of the beast.

Partial is false because Jesus said He'd return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the great trib. If the trib has already occurred, Jesus is long-overdue !

I have in front of me the Encyclopaedia Britannica, Collier's, & World Book encyclopediae, as well as eleven different Bible versions. And the occurrence of those events is NOT found in ANY of them.
Why?
They simply HAVEN'T YET OCCURRED !

Prets try to reduce "inconvenient" Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status to attempt to cover their lack of evidence for their doctrine, but that won't work, either.

Just face it, Ladies & Gents; your doctrine simply isn't true.

Please, let's keep this thread free of bunny trails & tangents, & keep it on preterism, either defending it or rejecting it as I do. That's why the last similar thread was closed.

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I belive it is more like us "Prets" (as you say) refuse to fall into Dispensational Futurism thinking with its Pre- Millenialism, anti-Christ world leader, mark of the beast chips, secret rapture, promoting the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple and on and on. We simply read scripture with a high degree of hermeneutics. The who,what,where,when and why in scripture.
Blessings.

Bob_1000 said:

Adding to my last post:

How can I debate with someone that doesn’t even know the type of clouds Jesus RETURNED in even exist?

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From Strongs it's #G3507, which comes from the root meaning from 3509. It's a noun feminine and the definition as it applies in 1 Thessalonians 4 the poster was referring to is this; " properly cloudiness, that is ( concretely) a cloud: cloud.

From Thayer and referring to 3507 directly we have 1. A cloud and then part a. use as of the cloud which led the Israelites in the wilderness.

robycop3 said:

There are a couple of preterist "safe houses" here where prets can post their stuff free of counterposts. However, I KNOW preterism is false, both partial and full. And here's how I know:

Full preterism is false because it's VERY-OBVIOUS Jesus hasn't returned. When He does return, He will be seen by all, as He said He will take over the rule of the world after casting the antichrist & false prophet alive into hell. He and His saints will reign over the earth for 1K years. And obviously, that hasn't occurred yet. if you think it has, please tell us the beast/antichrist's name, the date he took power, the name of his sidekick the false prophet, and describe the mark of the beast.

Partial is false because Jesus said He'd return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the great trib. If the trib has already occurred, Jesus is long-overdue !

I have in front of me the Encyclopaedia Britannica, Collier's, & World Book encyclopediae, as well as eleven different Bible versions. And the occurrence of those events is NOT found in ANY of them.
Why?
They simply HAVEN'T YET OCCURRED !

Prets try to reduce "inconvenient" Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status to attempt to cover their lack of evidence for their doctrine, but that won't work, either.

Just face it, Ladies & Gents; your doctrine simply isn't true.

Please, let's keep this thread free of bunny trails & tangents, & keep it on preterism, either defending it or rejecting it as I do. That's why the last similar thread was closed.

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I looked up 'great tribulation' in the scripture. It really only occurs in Matthew's gospel.

Matthew 24:19-21
But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. For then there will be a great tribulation.

Looks to me anyway, that Jesus is referring to the demolition of the temple and Jerusalem.

If Jesus was about to return, why would Jesus say 'But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath'. If it was the end of all things He would not say that.

Obviously, Jesus is talking about the judgement of Israel.

I reject your interpretation of the 'great tribulation' as a world wide event.

Try reading both Matthew 24 and Luke 21, there are two distinct end time events. One Israel and one the world.

robycop3 said:

There are a couple of preterist "safe houses" here where prets can post their stuff free of counterposts. However, I KNOW preterism is false, both partial and full. And here's how I know:

Full preterism is false because it's VERY-OBVIOUS Jesus hasn't returned. When He does return, He will be seen by all, as He said He will take over the rule of the world after casting the antichrist & false prophet alive into hell. He and His saints will reign over the earth for 1K years. And obviously, that hasn't occurred yet. if you think it has, please tell us the beast/antichrist's name, the date he took power, the name of his sidekick the false prophet, and describe the mark of the beast.

Partial is false because Jesus said He'd return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the great trib. If the trib has already occurred, Jesus is long-overdue !

I have in front of me the Encyclopaedia Britannica, Collier's, & World Book encyclopediae, as well as eleven different Bible versions. And the occurrence of those events is NOT found in ANY of them.
Why?
They simply HAVEN'T YET OCCURRED !

Prets try to reduce "inconvenient" Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status to attempt to cover their lack of evidence for their doctrine, but that won't work, either.

Just face it, Ladies & Gents; your doctrine simply isn't true.

Please, let's keep this thread free of bunny trails & tangents, & keep it on preterism, either defending it or rejecting it as I do. That's why the last similar thread was closed.

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Are you defending your falsified futurized antichrist, contrived by an apostate 16th-century Jesuit counter-reformationist, contrary to 1 John 2:18,22 and 2 John 1:7?

Dave G. said:

From Strongs it's #G3507, which comes from the root meaning from 3509. It's a noun feminine and the definition as it applies in 1 Thessalonians 4 the poster was referring to is this; " properly cloudiness, that is ( concretely) a cloud: cloud.

From Thayer and referring to 3507 directly we have 1. A cloud and then part a. use as of the cloud which led the Israelites in the wilderness.

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Yeah that’s a water vapor cloud but there’s another type of cloud in the Bible and that’s the cloud that Jesus returned in.


Heb 12:1 (KJV) Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Eschatology Forum Statement of Purpose
IIII. Eschatological Viewpoints Allowed on CF
V. Additional Rules

• Full preterism is not allowed.

What is the point to post this thread bashing preterism, when preterists are not allowed to defend their belief? Of course you will feel like a king, because only you are allowed to show weapons.

You can just sit with your arms folded, saying "horse feathers" to anything and thats it. No real challenge.

Bob_1000 said:

Yeah that’s a water vapor cloud but there’s another type of cloud in the Bible and that’s the cloud that Jesus returned in.


Heb 12:1 (KJV) Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

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The book of Hebrews speaks to the Jews but believers who tend to fall weak ( thus the title name to the book Hebrews) about perseverance. Here is Hebrews 12:1 in the Amplified bible: Amplified Bible
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses [who by faith have testified to the truth of God’s absolute faithfulness], stripping off every unnecessary weight and the sin which so easily and cleverly entangles us, let us run with endurance and active persistence the race that is set before us,

This isn't speaking of Christ's return at any rate. It speaks of believers having this cloud of witnesses and to endure, be persistent in the faith, to come to full salvation. The cloud of witnesses is those who have endured, they are examples of attainment.

I get your point non the less, when He returns ( sandals on the ground) He comes with His church ( His bride) . 1 Thessalonians 4 speaks of His church the body of Christ being gathered to him in the air though ( you can't miss the words, it's written clearly in 5th grade English), in a cloud which we already determined is a cloud ( as you put it, a mist). 1 Thessalonians also speaks to believers who thought those that passed before them missed this event but Paul in chapter 4 assures them all that nobody has missed the event and not just that but the dead in Christ ( those who died and bodies are in the ground, we know their spirit and soul are with the Lord because to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord 2 Corinthians 5:8) will rise first. So the dead bodies will be gathered and transformed into the new glorified state, then those who remain alive will rise.