The nonsense of "faith produces works"

New Testament Christian: "Hebrews 10:38 clearly teaches those who God has no pleasure in IF they turn back to living in willful sin are already saved because they are already JUSTIFIED"




Saved, are not those who are not washed from their filthiness, they are only saved, and washed in their own eyes..



Proverbs 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.




The same ones, speak nothing different, they promise liberty while serving corruption.

Only fools return to their vomit, so if Saints do too, that must be the same fools. of being washed then becoming filthy again..



Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

Psalm 85:8 I will hear what God the Lord will speak: for he will speak peace unto his people, and to his saints: but let them not turn again to folly.


2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.





Romans 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.


Freegrace: "The Bible teaches that to be justified by the blood of Christ is to be SAVED Therefore Hebrews 10:38 are SAVED CHRISTIANS! Not your error of unsaved Christians"




Justified by doing justly also..



Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Luke 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.


Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another



Are you not reduced to silence yet, or is it because the unjust knows no shame?

prophecy_uk said:

Saved, are not those who are not washed from their filthiness, they are only saved, and washed in their own eyes..

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You are the one who needs to learn this not me. Don't try and put your ignorance on me Sir.

The verse you used, Hebrews 10:38. These are JUSTIFIED CHRISTIANS. They are not right in their own eyes!

Over and over and over you prove yourself to be incapable of admitting your error.

The CHRISTIANS in Hebrews 10:38 are justified by God. This proves they are saved.

You claim they are unsaved.

You are wrong!

Admit your error.

These Christians in Hebrews 10:38 are not justified in their own eyes. The Scriptures teach that they are Just!

That is their condition.

Only God can make someone Justified.

You cannot justify yourself. Hebrews 10:38 says NOTHING if these saved christians being "saved only in their own eyes".

That is twisting the scriptures Sir!

Are you now going to pervert the word to fit your false doctrine?

Romans 8:30
Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also JUSTIFIED; AND WHOM HE JUSTIFIED, THESE HE ALSO GLORIFIED.

Only the saved are JUSTIFIED, therefore the just in Hebrews 10:38 are in fact SAVED CHRISTIANS. Just the opposite of what you taught. You taught the christians in Hebrews 10:38 are lost.

You need to take a piece of humble pie.

Romans 5:9
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

Hebrews 10:38
Now the JUST shall live by faith; But if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in Him.

Who is the writer of Hebrews warning not to draw back into sin in Hebrews 10:38? The JUST.

The Just are the saved. These are saved Christians that have already been JUSTIFIED BY GOD!

The saved are being warned not to go back into their former sinfull living.

UK-prophecy, you are changing the meaning of this and other passages.

An honest person can see your error. Why not do what is right and correct your error?

New: "Romans 8:30
Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also JUSTIFIED; AND WHOM HE JUSTIFIED, THESE HE ALSO GLORIFIED.

Only the saved are JUSTIFIED, therefore the just in Hebrews 10:38 are in fact SAVED CHRISTIANS. Just the opposite of what you taught. You taught the christians in Hebrews 10:38 are lost."




Yes they are justified by the new covenant, did you miss that part and then no law written in the heart, no Jesus Christ in Spirit is in them and they remain reprobates..

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them

prophecy_uk said:

Yes they are justified by the new covenant, did you miss that part and then no law written in the heart, no Jesus Christ in Spirit is in them and they remain reprobates..

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Quote from uk_prophecy: "they remain reprobates"

You cannot seem to see the obvious Sir!

They cannot remain reprobates WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY JUSTIFIED CHRISTIANS !!!!

That is their condition!

You can claim their reprobates all you want but Hebrews 10:38 says nothing of them being reprobate.

What it does in fact say is THEY ARE JUSTIFIED CHRISTIANS!

UK prophecy, you would rather hold to your error than make correction and believe the true teaching of God.

Greek scholars do not agree with your mistranslation of Hebrews 10:38 and many other verses you quoted.

Here is Hebrews 10:38 from the English ASV version, it reads: But My righteous one will live by faith: And if he shrink back, My soul hath no pleasure in him.

UK prophecy, you claim this Christian is a reprobate, really?

You ever heard of God calling a man RIGHTEOUS ?

You do know that the righteous cannot be reprobates don't you?

Obviously you are misunderstanding this passage and a large number of other passages you quoted from.

Hebrews 10:38 teaches what I have taught you multiple times now.

That first God makes those who have obeyed the gospel SAVED CHRISTIANS.

Then as the writer of Hebrews teaches, these righteous, justified christians will loose their salvation IF they backslide into their former sinful lifestyle. Then they will go from a saved condition to a lost condition.

It is easy to see and understand if you have an honest heart.

You have not given one shred of evidence of your false doctrine of unsaved christians in the new testament that obeyed the gospel and still were dead in their sins.

You need to learn better the meaning of the scriptures that you have misunderstood and taught error with Sir.

Unfortunately at this point I have gotten to know you enough that I have little confidence that you will except the truth.

Gods word is Spirit and life, mans words are vanity and death. Do you think you have something useful to share with us on the forum ?


Speaking of being justified, and not reprobate.


Commandments and words of men, turn us from the truth.

But to the unbelieving, nothing is pure, they are defiled in their mind and conscience.

They profess belief in God, but in works that are unjust, they deny Him, as they are to every good work reprobate..



Titus 1:4 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.



Reprobate silver, men shall call them, as the Lord has rejected them.

God gave them over to a reprobate mind. They are filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, coveteousness, maliciousness, envy, debate, deceit, proud boasters, inventing evil things ( sounds a bit like your attempts New Testament Christian?)...


Jeremiah 6:30 Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them.


Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.



Then the times came, men are lovers of their own selves ?

They are coveteous, are boasting, prideful, blasphemers, are covenant ( truce ) breakers, they are false accusers, fiercely despising those who are good.

They are traitors who are heady and high minded, lovers of pleasures, who again, have a form of godliness ( claim to be justified in Christ) but deny the power ( deny Christ in works of evil they say is just?)

They resist the truth, as they are reprobate concerning the faith..



2 Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

prophecy_uk said:

Gods word is Spirit and life, mans words are vanity and death. Do you think you have something useful to share with us on the forum ?


Speaking of being justified, and not reprobate.


Commandments and words of men, turn us from the truth.

But to the unbelieving, nothing is pure, they are defiled in their mind and conscience.

They profess belief in God, but in works that are unjust, they deny Him, as they are to every good work reprobate..



Titus 1:4 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.



Reprobate silver, men shall call them, as the Lord has rejected them.

God gave them over to a reprobate mind. They are filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, coveteousness, maliciousness, envy, debate, deceit, proud boasters, inventing evil things ( sounds a bit like your attempts New Testament Christian?)...


Jeremiah 6:30 Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them.


Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.



Then the times came, men are lovers of their own selves ?

They are coveteous, are boasting, prideful, blasphemers, are covenant ( truce ) breakers, they are false accusers, fiercely despising those who are good.

They are traitors who are heady and high minded, lovers of pleasures, who again, have a form of godliness ( claim to be justified in Christ) but deny the power ( deny Christ in works of evil they say is just?)

They resist the truth, as they are reprobate concerning the faith..



2 Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

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UK-prophecy, Jesus answered and said to them, You do error, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God

Yes, lets speak about the power of God, good idea New Testament Christian.



God makes our way perfect ( not us perfect in someones eyesight, but our way and our walk perfect.)

Jesus then gave power to become the sons of God, power is usually needed when a hard task * such as laying our lives down for others) is required...


2 Samuel 22:33 God is my strength and power: and he maketh my way perfect.

John 1: 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.



Then we can believe and understand, why Jesus of Nazareth was anointed with the Holy Ghost and with power, as He went about doing good, and healing all oppressed of the devil ( and then laying His life down fore us in love to destroy him, the devil who had the power of death)..


Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.



That death and rising of the Lord turns us from the power of satan ( in selfish sinning) to the power of God, in selfless sacrifice of your life, to receive forgiveness of sins and inheritence( Jesus died to make us redeemed to God in Holiness not unholiness)..


Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.


That is why they must be blameless, or the ministry is blamed ( that is how and why, the blasphemous devil opposes the Lord to say sinning is OK and self seeking is the way)

On this forum they not once speak of, patience, afflictions, distresses, pains and sufferings, pureness, kindness, love unfeigned, which are the power of God, as they only speak in debate and to turn Gods grace into their sinful discussion...


2 Corinthians 6:3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
6 By pureness, by knowledge, by long suffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.


Because it is fulfilled in them completely, ( are they unaware of what is proven on them?) how they show they love themselves, coveteous, boasters and proud, blaspheming, unholy, truce breakers, false accusers, despising the good, ( loving the evil) with a form of godliness that denies the power?


2 Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.



But the divine power gave us all things for godliness.

By adding virtue, temperance, patience, godliness, kindness, charity ( the bond of Gods perfect love in us/Christ in us) which is to be filled with the knowledge of the Lord ( this is Jesus and what He did, so who do they talk about but themselves?)..


2 Peter 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Faith in salvation is believing in 1Corinthians 15:1-4, then acting on that faith by obeying Jesus' gospel, Acts 9.

Saving faith always includes obedience. To be saved by Jesus and His gospel is to have an obedient faith. Never faith alone or just mental assent.

Those who claim there is nothing we do to be saved, contradict the gospel when Jesus converted Saul who after becoming a saved Christian was named Paul by God.

Nothing to do in Jesus' gospel to be saved?

Acts 9:6
So he(Saul who becomes Paul) trembling and astonished, said, "Lord, what do You want me to do?"

New: "Faith in salvation is believing in 1Corinthians 15:1-4, then acting on that faith by obeying Jesus' gospel, Acts 9."


Faith is not believing in 1 Corinthians 15, faith is in believing all things, and that is how you believe in Jesus, who made all things. Believing in what parts we want, is neither believing nor knowing that God is all things, and we are in Him, and now He has to be in us.

Apostle Paul, was always the chosen vessel to God, so everything Paul did was of necessity, how else did Jesus come to save sinners and Paul be the chief example to confound the Jews, and the man that once destroyed the faith now preaches it.

Faith is the evidence of things not seen, and man who can only see this world, sees what a man can see.

prophecy_uk said:

New: "Faith in salvation is believing in 1Corinthians 15:1-4, then acting on that faith by obeying Jesus' gospel, Acts 9."


Faith is not believing in 1 Corinthians 15, faith is in believing all things, and that is how you believe in Jesus,

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Folks you heard it from the horses mouth, prophecy UK quote: "Faith is not believing in 1Corinthians 15"

I wonder what religion you, prophecy UK, you think you are a part of?

According to prophecy uk, believing in the death, burial and ressurection of Jesus Christ is not Faith as Paul stated in 1Corinthians 15:1-4.

Prophecy UK, believing in the death, burial and ressurection IS DEFINITELY FAITH IN JESUS!

You must not believe James ?

James 2:19
You believe that there is one God, You do well. Even the demons believe and tremble!

James taught that faith in Jesus but not obedience to Jesus is faith.

But not the faith that can save!

For just belief in Jesus as the demons do is not the faith that we must have to be saved.

Faith that saves includes belief in the death, burial and ressurection of Jesus, 1 Corinthians 15:14
Moreover brethren, I declare to you the GOSPEL which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand.

By which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you unless you BELIEVED in vain.

For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received; that Christ DIED for our sins according to the scriptures,

and that He was BURIED and that He ROSE AGAIN the thrid day according to the scriptures

But this faith in Jesus' death, burial and ressurection requires no obedience to Jesus' full gospel.

This is faith alone, just as the demons have faith alone, James 2:19.

Therefore faith is 1Corinthians 15 but we cannot be saved by just belief alone.

We must believe in ALL that Jesus said in His gospel.

When we believe in Jesus and His word, then act on our faith by obeying Jesus' gospel. Then we have the faith that saves us. John 5:24
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who HEARS MY WORD AND BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME has everlasting life and shall not come into judgement, but has passed FROM DEATH INTO LIFE.

Biblical faith that saves is more than just believing in 1Corinthians 15:1-4.

It requires belief in 1Corinthians 15 and ALL that Jesus taught in His gospel. We must believe in Jesus' WORD all of it. And in Him. Then act on this faith by obeying Jesus' commands. When we do this we have perfect or complete faith, this is the only faith that can save,
James 2:22
Do you see that faith was working together with his works and by works FAITH WAS MADE PERFECT/COMPLETE

The faith that saves is the faith that obeys.

All of the faith alone religion only believe or have faith in Jesus, 1Corinthians 15. But lack faith in His word, Mark 16:15-16 And He said to them, Go into all the world and preach the GOSPEL to every creature. he who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

Saving faith requires belief in Jesus and His word. Then acting on this faith by obeying the commandments of Jesus Christ.

The faith that saves is the faith that obeys.

Hebrews 5:8-9
though He were a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all that obey Him.

Conclusion,
Faith is 1Corinthians 15. But faith that is perfectly complete must believe ALL of what Jesus did and taught(word) in His gospel, then obey His gospel,
James 2:24
You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

New Testament Christian said:

But faith that is perfectly complete must believe ALL of what Jesus did and taught(word) in His gospel, then obey His gospel,

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Yes His Gospel of the Kingdom, the good news that God was coming to overthrow the governance and institutions of man to live among man again and rule in ways contrary to man's adversarial nature.

Prophecy: "Faith is not believing in 1 Corinthians 15, faith is in believing all things, and that is how you believe in Jesus,"



New testament: "Biblical faith that saves is more than just believing in 1Corinthians 15:1-4.

It requires belief in 1Corinthians 15 and ALL that Jesus taught in His gospel."




Folks pay attention to new testament, he corrects people by then repeating the same.

prophecy_uk said:

Prophecy: "Faith is not believing in 1 Corinthians 15, faith is in believing all things, and that is how you believe in Jesus,"



New testament: "Biblical faith that saves is more than just believing in 1Corinthians 15:1-4.

It requires belief in 1Corinthians 15 and ALL that Jesus taught in His gospel."




Folks pay attention to new testament, he corrects people by then repeating the same.

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Prophecy UK, you are in error again Sir. I did not say or repeat what you said.

Your comprehension of what I have said needs work.

Now pay close attention Sir, here is what you teach,

prophecy_uk said:

"Faith is not believing in 1 Corinthians 15, faith is in believing all things, and that is how you believe in Jesus,"

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Now you claim that I regurgitated your error. WRONG!

I do not believe what you teach here.

I don't agree with you at all that Faith is not 1Corinthians 15:1-4.

I completely disagree with you on your teaching that faith in 1Corinthians 15:1-4 is NOT faith!

So, excuse yourself from putting words in my mouth Sir.

If you had better comprehension, you would have understood I taught the opposite of what you teach on believing in 1Corinthians 15.

I'll repeat myself so hopefully you will get my point.

Those who only believe in the death, burial and ressurection of Jesus Christ for salvation alone, 1Corinthians 15.

DO HAVE FAITH!!!!

Prophecy UK you said the opposite of what I said!

Pay attention to what I am saying!

Pay attention to what you are saying!
You said quote:" Faith is not believing in 1Corinthians 15"

See? You taught the opposite of what I believe.

Prophecy UK said, Faith is not believing in 1Corinthians 15.

New Testament Christian said, Faith IS BELIEVING in 1Corinthians 15.

Therefore you are mistaken again Sir,

I did not repeat what you said!

I believe that faith only in 1Corinthians 15 for salvation ie Faith Alone is Faith!

But Faith only in 1Corinthians 15 is not the Biblical faith that is taught by Jesus in His gospel.

True saving Biblical faith is never faith alone, James 2:24.

True saving Biblical Faith is as James said belief that has action! It obeys the gospel of Jesus.

There is no obedience in the faith alone gospel of just believing in the death, burial and ressurection of Christ, 1Corinthians 15; James 2:19.

But it is faith!

But not the faith that saves, James 2:26.

The faith that saves is the faith that obeys, Hebrews 5:8-9

Prophecy: "Faith is not believing in 1 Corinthians 15, faith is in believing all things, and that is how you believe in Jesus,"





New testament: "Biblical faith that saves is more than just believing in 1Corinthians 15:1-4.

It requires belief in 1Corinthians 15 and ALL that Jesus taught in His gospel."




New testament: " Those who only believe in the death, burial and ressurection of Jesus Christ for salvation alone, 1Corinthians 15.

DO HAVE FAITH"





First you want to say that, faith that saves is more than believing in what Corinthians 15:1-4 says, and that it requires belief in 1 Corinthians 15 and all that Jesus taught in the Gospel.

Then you state those who believe in what 1 Corinthians 15 says, do have faith ?

Faith is when they believe all that Jesus says, it is very simple, and if you want to try to confuse yourself, to make me somehow try to appear to be denying 1 Corinthians 15, go ahead and sport yourself as much as you wish to, it cant upset me.

prophecy_uk said:

Faith is when they believe all that Jesus says, it is very simple, and if you want to try to confuse yourself, to make me somehow try to appear to be denying 1 Corinthians 15, go ahead and sport yourself as much as you wish to, it cant upset me.

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I'm not the one confused on what is faith.

You are in error every time you continue to teach faith only in 1Corinthians 15 is not faith.

I know you are incapable of learning because you cannot see the errors you make with scripture. Nor are you willing to admit your wrong.

I've already tried to explain your mistake. I'm sure others that read this will be able to see how you have mistakenly accused me of teaching the same as you.

It should be obvious by now that I have not taught what you taught about faith only in 1Corinthians 15.

prophecy_uk said:

"Faith is not believing in 1 Corinthians 15, faith is in believing all things, and that is how you believe in Jesus,"

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prophecy_uk said:

First you want to say that, faith that saves is more than believing in what Corinthians 15:1-4 says, and that it requires belief in 1 Corinthians 15 and all that Jesus taught in the Gospel.

Then you state those who believe in what 1 Corinthians 15 says, do have faith ?

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By your above quote I see your confused.

The issue is What Is Faith?

Now I've tried to explain that there is more than one kind of Faith.

There are folks who do have faith but their faith is not saving faith.

You can have faith but not be saved.

James gives the example of demons having faith, yet their faith cannot save them.

Just as faith only in the death, burial and ressurection of Jesus Christ, 1Corinthians 15 is faith(you taught it is not) yet this kind of faith cannot save, James 2:19.

So, folks have differing faith.

Some have only faith in Jesus being God and that He died was buried and rose from the dead ie Faith Alone.

Others have the Faith the gospel teaches that has the ability to save us ie Biblical Faith taught in the new testament.

Faith alone was never taught by any of the apostles nor Jesus.

But is faith alone faith? Yes it is.

But even though folks who only have faith that believing in 1Corinthians 15 alone will save them. These people do have a kind of faith but not the Biblical faith that is taught in the new testament.

Biblical Faith is not just belief in Jesus, faith alone.

Biblical Faith that can save is belief that motivates the believer to take action.

Saving faith is never only mental assent.

Biblical saving faith as taught in scripture is an action word.

In Acts 9 you have Paul becoming a christian.

Paul did not just believe in 1Corinthians 15, death, burial, ressurection of Christ to be saved.

Is that faith if all you believed was the death, burial and ressurection of Christ? Yes , but Paul's faith moved him to take action by obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ!

This is saving Biblical Faith!

Paul's faith was more than just faith alone. Paul's faith was an action taken to obey the gospel.

Ananias commanded Paul to be baptized. Paul was not saved by belief alone. Paul has to take action on his faith and be baptized in order to be saved.

Therefore the faith that saves is the faith that takes action and obeys the gospel commands of Jesus Christ.

prophecy_uk said:

Prophecy: "Faith is not believing in 1 Corinthians 15, faith is in believing all things, and that is how you believe in Jesus,"

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This above statement is error prophecy uk.

Faith only in the death, burial and ressurection is a kind of faith. But not the faith that can save us.

New Testament Christian: The Faith alone doctrine of only believing in the death, burial and ressurection of Jesus to be saved, 1Corinthians 15:1-4 is a kind of faith. IT IS FAITH!

But not the faith that is required by God that can save mankind.

Saving Faith is believing and obeying, this is complete perfect faith, James 2:22
Do you see that faith was working together with his works and by works faith was made perfect?

James 2:24
You see then that a man is justified by works(action=obedience) and not by faith alone?

Hebrews 5:8-9
though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.

New: "Is that faith if all you believed was the death, burial and ressurection of Christ? Yes , but Paul's faith moved him to take action by obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ"






Believing in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, we become buried with Him in baptism, and we walk in newness of life, our old man is crucified with Him, the body of sin is destroyed.

That was why we needed more than 1 Corinthians 15, as Romans 6 and Colossians 2 explain them much better. The faith Paul took action by, was the operation of God already acted in him ( the new covenant of the Holy Ghost given/ the love of God shed into us and the righteousness of the law then fulfilled in them)..



1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Dr: "All the blessings of you and your family that you and them do not use
everyday to bless the Lord, have departed from you and them
and have came to me."


It seems it is common for you to tell things that are funny, and that MMXX reads and repeats the same response to.



The blessing of the Lord cant go to anyone who speaks words, and especially speaking words for themselves, no more than your own summing up of someone not using ( indicating action which is more than words) blessings, to Bless the Lord with)....




Psalm 62:4 They only consult to cast him down from his excellency: they delight in lies: they bless with their mouth, but they curse inwardly. Selah.


Ezekiel 33:31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.

prophecy_uk said:

Believing in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, we become buried with Him in baptism, and we walk in newness of life, our old man is crucified with Him, the body of sin is destroyed.

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The Biblical example of the apostle Paul's conversion

First He became a believer in Jesus Christ, Acts 9:6

Then three days later he obeyed the gospel by being water baptized, Acts 9:18

Believing in the death, burial and ressurection of Jesus Christ does not make one buried with Christ.

The believer must choose to be baptized.

We have example of a believer who did not get buried in baptism with Christ.

Acts 26:19-32

King Agrippa believed Paul about Christ being the Messiah but chose not to obey the gospel.

Believing in Jesus alone does not get one buried and raised born again in Christ. Only when one is water baptized for the remission of sins is one in Christ, Romans 6:1-8

Symbolic actions are no substitute for living the changed life