Timeline of Revelation

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I came across this and though it showed a really good timeline.

The Revelation Prophecy Chart - A Visual Timeline of the Events of Revelation

This person has one area wrong at the great white throne. It is said: Satan, demons, fallen angels, and unrepented sinners are eternally separated from God.

People at the great white throne are not judged for their sins, Jesus took away the sin of the world at the cross.

They are unrepentant sinners at the great white throne, but that is not what they are judged by. These people are judged for their works and if they are written in the book of life.

Actually many may be repentant sinners, who never trusted in The Messiah for God's free gift of Eternal Life. They trusted in their being repentant from sin instead of The Messiah.
 
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This person has one area wrong at the great white throne. It is said: Satan, demons, fallen angels, and unrepented sinners are eternally separated from God.

People at the great white throne are not judged for their sins, Jesus took away the sin of the world at the cross.

They are unrepentant sinners at the great white throne, but that is not what they are judged by. These people are judged for their works and if they are written in the book of life.

Actually many may be repentant sinners, who never trusted in The Messiah for God's free gift of Eternal Life. They trusted in their being repentant from sin instead of The Messiah.
I don't see Revelation as a successive chronology, which causes multiplication of events and things which are the same (e.g., Revelation 11:18-19, Revelation 14:17-20, Revelation 16:12-21, Revelation 19:11-21, Revelation 20:7-10). I see the structure of the visions in the book of Daniel to be the key to the structures of the visions in Revelation.

The visions in Daniel were the sum of prophecy revealed by the Son of Man (Daniel 10:4-9)
from the book of God's eternal decrees (Daniel 10:21, Daniel 12:1)
regarding the OT church (Daniel 2:28, Daniel 8:26, Daniel 10:14) and the end (Daniel 8:19). And
the visions in Revelation are the sum of prophecy revealed by the Son of Man (Revelation 1:12-18)
from the book of God's eternal decrees (Revelation 5:1-5, 6:1, 10:1-4, 8-10, 20:12)
regarding the NT church (Revelation 1:19, Revelation 10:11)
and the end (Revelation 10:7, 11:18, 16:17, 21:6).

The visions in Daniel are not a successive chronology, but are four progressive parallelisms (chp 2, 7, 9, 10-12), progressively revealing more details of the same events and persons each time (as are the eight visions in Zechariah 1-6).
Likewise with the seven visions in Revelation. Rather than a successive chronology, they are seven progressive parallelisms (chp 1-3, 4-7, 8-11, 12-14, 15-16, 17-19, 20-22), each revealing more detail of the same events and things.
And as the numbers and time frame regarding the OT church in Daniel 9:24-27 are not literal, so the numbers and time frame regarding the NT church in Revelation are not literal.

It is seeing Revelation as a literal successive chronology that is the basis for much interpretation of prophecy today that is contradictory to clear, authoritative NT teaching (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17;
2 Thessalonians 1:6-10, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8).
 
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I wonder why '"Jesus judges all unbelievers according to their works"? As an unbeliever they have made their choice and have doomed their eternity. Whats to judge?. This implies a possibility yet for them.
Because their works are a manifestation of their faith?

No works, no faith.
 
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i think that it is a nice clear time line but looks at everything from a physical perspective rather than a spiritual perspective.

i have learned to understand that the book of Revelation is a spiritual book first of all, and does not deal with the world we live near as much, as what lives inside our own inner 'world of being'.

i know that he book of Revelation goes into effect when Jesus appears inside our hearts as Lord of lords and King of kings. When He cut me down in my lawless spirit and grew me new in His Holy Spirit.

From experience the book of Revelation goes in cycles - wheels within wheels - of 2 cycles of 3 1/2 years, just over 7 years altogether, and describes the workings of The truth of God's love inside our own inner being in perfect detail.

The interesting part is that chapters 1-7 runs concurrent with chapters 8-19. Where in Chapter 1-7 Jesus deals with us the faithful believers within and the 144,000 chosen to reign our life are revealed to us during this time, while Jesus destroys us in our worldly carnal being at the same time described in chapter 8-19.

The kernel of the book of Revelation is about the 144,000 revealed within our spiritual world of being. Where love, faithfulness, honesty, dedication to God and walking in the right truth are trialled within our spirit.

It has been awesome to see the word reveal the chosen in my life, and it has made me very humble. For so clearly are we build by the Holy spirit in our new life. For in our chosen selves we have never lied or departed from God's truth, but were killed by sin living within us. (see Isaiah 57:1-4 for example)

God is so just and wise to place such murdered good life in us in ruler ship over us beside Christ. Where Truth, justice and peace rule our inner world of being and we truly are Eternal in Him and from Him.

The best part is that we sinners are saved by Christ and not our own works, rather in all our sinful deeds we will be cut off and thrown into the lake of fire. (Hebrews 4:12-13.)

i love how Christ does away with my bad life, time and again, and raises me in my good (God given) life. The fire of His baptism in my life did away with some terrible sins living with in me and raised me to newness of life in those parts of myself.

i know that my life in Him is from Him and Him alone and are gifted to me by Him out of mere grace. Having seen the 144,000 materialise in my life reining beside Christ and transforming my inner world of being into a paradise restored has been absolutely awesome.

i know now that none of my so called good works amount up to anything and that Jesus Himself secured my salvation by collecting true me dying because of my sins and bringing that back to life at the end of the line of my life in sin. Truly His children can never get lost.

Awesome book Revelation, i'm in my fourth cycle going through it. It has been absolutely amazing all the things Jesus has shown and taught me taking me through the word like that.

So yes next time you read Revelation let the word speak to your heart and let Him do the work He does best - destroying sin and raising us up to newness of life.

Peace.

Zion Descending

At first I heard Dad say,
"Son let us make tracks,
its near getting dark now,
the chosen are all asleep,
now would be best,
as darkness reigns its peak,
for arrogance has him blinded,
to what is really going on."


I saw the sunlight darkened,
the moon turn to blood,
and the stars falling from Heaven.
I felt everything shaking in its boots.
I heard about wars and rumours of wars.
I experienced famine and drought,
grand scale living in wantonness,
rulers making a living out of sin,
Satan's forces installed everywhere,
loveless forces ruling untruthfully.


I heard my inner world crying out in her dying pain,
"What is going on?
The Father is leaving us without the Son,
this can only evil mean."
I heard the angels blow the trumpets!
"Woe to the inhabitants of this soul!"

I heard the agonising cries,
coming from underneath the altar,
the dead in God's love, longingly,
awaiting newness of life!
"Yes, oh Lord, pour out their blood as they did ours!"

I heard the thunders rolling throughout my being,
"Let evil brood fear The Truth of God almighty!
Let judgement begin in The House of God!"

I knew judgement had already began,
when I beheld those massive hails stones,
tumbling down on the heads of the wicked.
I watched my enemies flee in terror!
Scorpion stings burning wrong,
horse hooves kicking up dirt,
truthfulness uncovering shame,
honesty baring nakedness,
the dung of the earth warring,
lies sores causing agony,
pestilence threatening,
as grasshoppers devoured,
my enemies food and good life!

It was fascinating to see,
how weak those are...,
.....so strong in lies!

Yes, honest!
Loving truth is like that!
The freedom to be,
true to yourself,
both in good and bad,
in His love to be.

Oh the release of faith!
Heart rendering awe!
Shouts of glorious praise!
Jumping joy - pure ecstasy!
Glorying in God almighty,
my life's tormentors died,
perishing one after the other.

Seeing Jesus on His white horse,
a blazing sword coming out of His mouth,
His all conquering loving truth
my inner world of being to reap.
Casting dead what is so good to have gone,
raising alive that which I had lost,
bringing new life at each dawn,
His kingdom ruling my world of being,
His presence bringing rest and peace.

Time and again He comes past like this,
(terrorising the wicked agonising their mates demise,)
as all His wheels turn into place.
The Word alive in heavenly love.
Costly gifts descending from above.
beholding the temple of the most high,
the truth of His love Himself my Zion.






 
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Some replies are so long that I don't read them. That is sad as it may cause a person to miss a very important message.
TMI.
It should take few words to get a person's message across unless you are not convinced yourself.
 
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I wonder why '"Jesus judges all unbelievers according to their works"? As an unbeliever they have made their choice and have doomed their eternity. Whats to judge?. This implies a possibility yet for them.

Even though this was not asked of me. I will post a reply.

These unbelievers are judged for their works as God accommodates their thinking that their works may merit Eternal Life. Also this may determine their position or level in the lake of fire.

When their works are found out to not merit Eternal Life, then they may appeal to God to check the book of life.

These are just ideas that are not supported really by The Bible, as the Bible really does not address this.
 
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My post was for anyone. Thanks for replying.
That makes it harder for me to understand because works do nothing toward getting a Christian into heaven so why should they help someone who has rejected God.
 
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My post was for anyone. Thanks for replying.
That makes it harder for me to understand because works do nothing toward getting a Christian into heaven so why should they help someone who has rejected God.

The great white throne is a judgment, just like how a criminal gets his day in court. God will give these unbelievers their day in court, so they get to present their case as to why they should not be sentenced to the lake of fire.

The works of an unbeliever does not help them, but it is the only thing they have to present to God at the great white throne.

It may though determine their placement in the lake of fire. For an example say a person who was a church goer or just a good citizen (but never trusted in The Messiah for Eternal Life) may not have as bad of a position in the lake of fire as say a murderer.

So their eternity in the lake of fire, may not be as bad as a person whose life was of bad works.
 
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The great white throne is a judgment, just like how a criminal gets his day in court. God will give these unbelievers their day in court, so they get to present their case as to why they should not be sentenced to the lake of fire.

The works of an unbeliever does not help them, but it is the only thing they have to present to God at the great white throne.

It may though determine their placement in the lake of fire. For an example say a person who was a church goer or just a good citizen (but never trusted in The Messiah for Eternal Life) may not have as bad of a position in the lake of fire as say a murderer.

So their eternity in the lake of fire, may not be as bad as a person whose life was of bad works.
I like that explanation and accept it. Kind of like how it will be in heaven. I won't be in the level that say, Billy Graham will be at.:)
Thank you!
Have a nice day.
 
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I like that explanation and accept it. Kind of like how it will be in heaven. I won't be in the level that say, Billy Graham will be at.:)
Thank you!
Have a nice day.
It does sound like it opens the door for a second chance at heaven for them.
It also gives some credit to those that believe a second chance after death.
A can of worms.
 
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I came across this and though it showed a really good timeline.

The Revelation Prophecy Chart - A Visual Timeline of the Events of Revelation

Thanks for posting that - he has some good points in the 7 churches -- but makes a few errors in other parts of the book of Revelation.


For example
=================- his Millennium section has some issues

missing these details at the appearing of Christ.
1. all the lost destroyed
2. All the saints raptured (including "the dead in Christ")
3. The world left as "desolate" for 1000 years

In Rev 19 we have the appearing of Christ where all the lost that are alive - are killed -
15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. 16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.

19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
1 Thess 4:13-18 tells us that at this appearing of Christ - all the saints are raptured to heaven.

With all the lost killed - and with all the saints raptured to heaven - that leaves what Jeremiah 4 describes as a desolated Earth for that 1000 year millennium of Rev 20.

Jer 4

23 I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void;
And to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,
And all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no man,
And all the birds of the heavens had fled.
26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness,
And all its cities were pulled down
Before the Lord, before His fierce anger.

27 For thus says the Lord,
“The whole land shall be a desolation,
Yet I will not execute a complete destruction.
28 “For this the earth shall mourn
And the heavens above be dark,
Because I have spoken, I have purposed,
And I will not change My mind, nor will I turn from it.”

=== Also In his millennium section -

He brings up Jer 30:9 about raising up King David - but ignores the fact that Elijah came back as John the baptizer

Mal 4:5 “Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord.

Matt 17:
10 And His disciples asked Him, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; 12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wanted. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist.
If Elijah is back as "John the baptizer" then King David is also likely to be back as "Jesus the Son of David" rather than the old David of history.

=========== his rapture-vs-tribulation section ===========
misses this detail that it is a post-trib rapture.

Matt 24 says after the tribulation -- Christ appears and raptures all the saints to heaven.
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.​
 
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I do not think Elijah came away where close to "restoring all things" nor has he come before the great and terrible day of the Lord. That event lies in the future
 
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I do not think Elijah came away where close to "restoring all things" nor has he come before the great and terrible day of the Lord. That event lies in the future

A basic principle of biblical exegesis is that the clear parts of Scripture inform and help the unclear. Even then, we may come across things which simply can't be resolved, or at least resolved easily.

A somewhat classic example is St. Paul's mention of "baptisms for the dead" in 1 Corinthians 15. We aren't exactly certain what Paul is talking about here. However there are those who take this passage and run full speed ahead into endless speculations, so for example the followers of Joseph Smith Jr, the Mormons, have invented a whole complex religious ritual involving proxy baptisms on behalf of the dead.

In this case we have a very clear statement made by Jesus, that St. John the Baptist fulfilled the promise of the coming of Elijah before the Great and Terrible Day of YHWH. This language about Elijah is applied to John several times.

That's the clear part of this matter. Jesus said John was the promised Elijah, and so that settles that. Only then can we begin to now address what the Great and Terrible Day of YHWH means.

Well, we do have another example we could look at. In the Acts of the Apostles St. Peter, on the Day of Pentecost, stood up and filled with and speaking by the Holy Spirit declared that this outpouring of the Holy Spirit was the prophetic fulfillment of the words of the Prophet Joel, that God would pour out His Spirit upon all nations.

The prophecy by Joel also mentions the Great Day of YHWH in connection with this.

So, since Scripture tells us these things were fulfilled then, then it would behoove us not to make assumptions about these things that are in conflict with the express and clear statements made by Scripture.

In this case, it would appear that the Day of YHWH has nothing to do with the end of the world, but with YHWH's Visitation upon Jerusalem, the Visitation of YHWH in the Person of Jesus Christ.

To which we might ask, how was there judgment at Christ's first Advent? To which we can again turn our attention to the New Testament. For example, John chapter 3, Christ tells us He did not come to judge, but to save; nevertheless the judgment has already been made: our works are evil, and we love darkness more than light, so he retreat from the light into the dark.

The Law is what condemns us as sinners, according to St. Paul; thus the Law cannot make men righteous, it can only bring condemnation and therefore death to sinners.

So how was this overbearing, crushing weight of the Law's condemnation dealt with?

Calvary. Jesus Christ died for us. The full metric tonne of all our sin He bore on the cross. Christ became the Condemned Man for us. He bore the curse and shame of the cross.

Christ took the Judgment of the Law that was justly against us and condemning us, and made satisfaction on our behalf.

Judgment occurred on the Cross.

The Judgment of God that the death of the Righteous Man shall make satisfaction for the guilt of condemned sinners.

Am I saying that there is no Last Day, no Final Judgment? Of course not. Our Lord Jesus Christ will, as He Himself promised, return. He will return in glory to judge the living and the dead, and on that Day we shall be raised up from the dead, and share in the full and perfect life that is to come: World without end.

What makes the time between Christ's first Advent and His future second Advent significant is that this is the time of the end. These have been the last days since Christ's first Advent. He is the Son of Man who after He has suffered, died, buried, raised from the dead, also ascended to take His seat at the right hand of the Father--brought before the Ancient of Days and given everlasting kingdom, at the right hand of the Father. He reigns as the King and Lord Messiah, The Son of David.

When the King returns to earth, that's it. That's the end of the play. The drama has come to its conclusion. The King returns, the unjust occupiers who have held the whole world hostage and under their thumb are kicked out into outer darkness and gnashing of teeth, and God sets all things to rights.

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