Mystery Ephraim?

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Mystery Ephraim?

First of all, let me apologize for my blindspot. Peter was speaking of himself as the house of Israel, as opposed to the house of Judah... when he quoted Hosea about those who hadn't received mercy... but the house of Judah was saved first, according to this:

Zechariah 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify [themselves] against Judah.KJV

Isaiah 28:1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty [is] a fading flower, which [are] on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine! 14 Therefore hear ye the word of the Lord, ye afflicted men, and ye princes of this people that is in Jerusalem. 15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with Hades, and agreements with death; if the rushing storm should pass, it shall not come upon us: we have made falsehood our hope, and by falsehood shall we be protected: 16 Therefore thus saith the Lord, even the Lord, Behold, I lay for the foundations of Sion a costly stone, a choice, a corner-stone, a precious stone, for its foundations; and he that believes on him shall by no means be ashamed.

Ephraim ruled Jerusalem when Jesus was there?
Because Jesus quotes this sister-verse at them:


Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? (Psalms 118)

Is Ephraim the Synagogue of Satan? but saying they're Judah? Is this why Ephraim's name doesn't show up in Revelation 7? This covenant with death and hell is the covenant confirmed with many in Daniel... and the rushing storm (scourge) is the great tribulation when death rides the pale horse and hell follows with it.

Isaiah 28:1 Woe to the crown of pride, the hirelings of Ephraim, the flower that has fallen from the glory of the top of the fertile mountain, they that are drunken without wine.LXX

Jeremias 32:4-6 In those days, and at that time, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Juda together; they shall proceed, weeping as they go, seeking the Lord their God. 5 They shall ask the way till they come to Sion, for that way shall they set their face; and they shall come and flee for refuge to the Lord their God; for the everlasting covenant shall not be forgotten. 6 My people have been lost sheep: their shepherds thrust them out, they caused them to wander on the mountains: they went from mountain to hill, they forgot their resting-place.LXX

Isaiah 28:17 Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, that hast drunk at the hand of the Lord the cup of His fury: for thou hast drunk out and drained the cup of calamity, the cup of wrath: 21 Therefore hear, thou afflicted one, and drunken, but not with wine; 22 thus saith the Lord God that judges His people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of calamity, the cup of My wrath; and thou shalt not drink it any more. 23 And I will give it into the hands of them that injured thee, and them that afflicted thee; who said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may pass over: and thou didst level thy body with the ground to them passing by without.

Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath. Revelation 17:5-6 And upon her forehead a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

inappropriate contente = feminine of inappropriate contentos; a strumpet; figuratively, an idolater:--harlot, harlot.

Hosea 4:17 Joined to idols [is] Ephraim, let him alone.

Matthew 13:14-15 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
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Isaiah 7:11-13 And I said, How long, O Lord? And He said, Until cities be deserted by reason of their not being inhabited, and the houses by reason of there being no men, and the land shall be left desolate. 12 And after this God shall remove the men far off, and they that are left upon the land shall be multiplied. 13 And yet there shall be a tenth upon it, and again it shall be for a spoil, as a turpentine tree, and as an acorn when it falls out of its husk.

Lost Tribes Among the Nations

Isaiah 43:5-8 Fear not; for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and will gather thee from the west. 6 I will say to the north, Bring; and to the south, Keep not back; bring My sons from the land afar off, and My daughters from the ends of the earth; 7 even all who are called by My name: for I have prepared him for My glory, and I have formed him, and have made him: 8 and I have brought forth the blind people; for their eyes are alike blind, and they that have ears are deaf.LXX
 
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Isaiah 28:1 & 3-4 Alas for the proud peoples of Ephraim, those fading flowers, drunk with prosperity. They will fall like ripe fruit and be trampled down. Hab. 3:12

Ephraim represents the British peoples, Genesis 48:17-19, with their faded empire, but still a proud and prosperous commonwealth of nations. Deuteronomy 33:17

Isaiah 28:2 & 5-6 The Lord has control of a powerful force, [Deuteronomy 32:22] He HHHH H Hit will beat down violently upon the earth, as a sweeping storm and a destroying tempest. On that Day, the Lord will be an adornment for the remnant of His people and will give a spirit of justice to those who judge and of valor to those who stand fast at the gate.

This passage is paralleled by Isaiah 30:25b-30...On the Day of massacre, when fortresses fall, the sun will shine seven times stronger, like seven days in one. On that Day, the Lord will protect and save His people. See: the Lord comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy, as His arm descends in devastating fire. He sieves out the nations for destruction. But for My people, there will be songs and gladness of heart as they march to the mountains of Israel.

The Lords Day of vengeance and wrath by a CME sunstrike is the next prophesied event. Psalms 11:4-6 and Habakkuk 3:4 describe accurately how the Lord will not be seen and this terrible judgement will be thought of as a natural event, so secular people can still choose whether they will honor God, or deny Him. Isaiah 66:15-16, Isaiah 6:10

All those faithful Christians who have stood firm in their trust in God’s protection and who called out to Him during that Day of worldwide devastation, Joel 3:32, Acts 2:21, will be saved and will be shown the way to the cleansed and regenerated holy Land. Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10, Isaiah 66:18-21, Jeremiah 31:1-40, Ezekiel 36:8-38

Isaiah 28:7-8 These people also have lost their way and wander down strange paths, they are befuddled as with strong drink, they stumble in the Law. Both priests and prophets are incoherent, sickness and filth are everywhere. Isaiah 56:9-12

Today, all Israel, now the Christian peoples and Judah have gone astray, the rabbi’s and priests are incompetent and fail to teach all the truths as given to us in the Bible.


Isaiah 28:9-13 Who is there that can be taught, who makes sense of what they hear? People are like children, newly weaned, for the Word is precept upon precept, a little here, a little there. So now, with a foreign tongue, the Lord will address this people, a people that would not listen, a people to whom He once said: This is true rest, your place of repose. Therefore to them the Word has become meaningless, mere noise to them and they fall and are injured.
Ref: REB, NIV, KJV. Abridged.

People today have difficulty clearly discerning the Prophetic Word. One day, with a foreign tongue, that is: not in Hebrew, the Lord will speak to His people: all who acknowledge Him and keep the Commandments. All the true Christians, who will pay heed, not like those peoples who did not listen and obey their God, so long ago. Zephaniah 3:9 Note: this happens AFTER Zephaniah 3:8, the terrible Day of wrath.

But those who do not make an effort to study the prophesies and understand the truth of God’s plan for our future, will be taken unawares and may experience some disadvantage.
 
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Ephraim represents the British peoples, Genesis 48:17-19, with their faded empire, but still a proud and prosperous commonwealth of nations. Deuteronomy 33:17

But those who do not make an effort to study the prophesies and understand the truth of God’s plan for our future, will be taken unawares and may experience some disadvantage.

Which "peoples" of Albion would you like to consider British? British comes from Briton which means the Cymru... Cymru and Pictish are both p-celtic. Or would you like to consider the Germanic invaders "British" by conquest?

Personally, I believe the Ligurians own the land... and that's probably why the dark hair and eyes dominate Britain.

"Avienus makes only one direct reference to the Celts when he mentions that
beyond the tin-producing Oestrymnides was a land now occupied by the Celts,
who took it from the Ligurians."--Cunliffe, Ancient Celts

"They were distinguished from the Celtae, not merely by their manners and customs, but by their small stature and dark hair and eyes, and are stated by Pliny and Strabo to have inhabited Spain. They have also left marks of their presence in Central Gaul in the name of the Loire (Ligur), and possibly in Britain in the obscure name of the Lloegrians."
--Dawkins, Cave Hunting

"'a stormy channel separates the coast which the Damnonii occupy from the island Silura, whose inhabitants preserve the ancient manners, reject money, barter merchandise, value what they require by exchange rather than by price, worship the gods, and both men and women profess a knowledge of the future.'... Firbolg and Firdomnan harmonises very singularly with the legendary accounts of the tin workers of Cornwall and the tin islands. It is not difficult to recognise in the tradition that the Firbolg derived their name from the leathern sacks which they filled with soil, and with which they covered their boats, and the Firdomnan from the pits they dug, the people who worked the tin by digging in the soil and transporting it in bags to their hide-covered boats."
--Skene, Celtic Scotland,v1

"Bertrand and Reinach both maintain the pre-Celtic origin of Druidism."
--Wright, Druidism the Ancient Faith of Britain
 
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Which "peoples" of Albion would you like to consider British?
There were successive waves of immigration into the British isles and Ireland. Most were of Israelite origin. Even the Normans.

Here is one of my articles: More at logostelos.info
Britain and the Middle East

In recent history, we learn of the Balfour Declaration that prepared the way for the establishment of the State of Israel and then Britain administered the mandated territory of Palestine until independence was declared in May 1948.

But what is not generally known is the British connections to that area in the BCE era and early CE. It was not uncommon for people from the Mediterranean area to visit Britain. Some Romans sent their children there for their education. There was an extensive mining industry for iron, copper, lead, tin, and silver, centered in Cornwall. Also fruit, grains and livestock were exported to Rome and elsewhere. This trading intercourse naturally resulted in family connections and documents held in the College of Arms and the British Museum confirm the relationship between the British Royal family and Jesus of Nazareth.

Ann, the mother of the Virgin Mary was British, she came from Cornwall, she married three times: by her first husband, Joachim, she had Mary, then with Cleopas she had James, Simon, Jude, and Joseph Barsaba. Her third husband, Salome; resulted in John and James the Apostles. Ann’s sister, Bianca married a Jacob, their son was Joseph: who married Mary, therefore they were cousins. Their daughter; Elizabeth was the mother of John the Baptist. Luke 1:57-80

To go back to the earlier history of Israel in Britain, their settlement occurred in many stages, starting soon after the Exodus from Egypt with some from the tribe of Dan going first to Ireland. After the Assyrian’s took the Northern tribes away, they made their way across Europe to the British Isles, in groups such as the Gauls, Celts, refugees from Tyre, Vikings, Angles, Saxons, Franks, etc. Their waymarks, dolmens are seen across Europe. Jeremiah 31:21

After the Babylonian conquest of Judah, Jeremiah went to Egypt, then to Ireland with his scribe, Baruch and the two daughters of King Zedekiah. Princess Tea Tephi a descendant of Perez, Ezekiel 17:22, married Herremon: of the Zerah line, the king of Hibernia. [Hebrews land] This union brought about the rejoining of the Perez and Zerah lines of the Royal House of Judah. Ann traces her ancestry back to them.

It seems quite probable that Jesus spent His earlier life in Britain, historical tradition actually has this view. His legal father may have died when Jesus was about 12, soon after the incident in the temple. Joseph of Aramathea was related to the holy family, he may have been Mary’s uncle and he was their kinsman protector. Because he had mining interests in Britain, with his base at Glastonbury, it is logical that they all moved there for safety. It becomes obvious that the holy family returned to Judea just before Jesus commenced His ministry, because He wasn’t known locally, as we see by the way He called His disciples and He had to pay the visitors tax. Matthew 17:24-27

The Apostles were told to be witnesses to the Gospel…to the uttermost parts of the world and to take it to the ‘lost sheep of Israel’. The British Isles was the farthest they could go to the North and West and that was where some of the Ten tribes had settled. Ephraim and Manasseh in Britain; [British= Hebrew: Covenant people] and Asher in Scotland. [Scotia, the other daughter of Zedikiah] There are many historical records that confirm Britain as being the first country to receive the Gospel. Christianity was introduced into Britain by Joseph of Aramathea circa 36-39AD, followed by Aristobulus; the first Bishop to the Britons, then by St Paul. In Romans Paul sends greetings to his friends and relations. Romans 16:7 & 21 mentions several kinsmen of Paul, we don’t know how they were related, but verse 13 says Rufus has the same mother as Paul – that is they were brothers or half-brothers. This Rufus Pudens was married to Princess Claudia, [who changed her name from Gladys] the daughter of Caractacus the British King. So Paul had highly placed contacts and was well received there.

This has had the result of the Christianisation of much of the Western world and the missionary efforts everywhere. All according to God’s Plan, and now we await the unfolding of the end time events, with all the great blessings He promises to His Christian peoples.
 
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Which "peoples" of Albion would you like to consider British? British comes from Briton which means the Cymru... Cymru and Pictish are both p-celtic. Or would you like to consider the Germanic invaders "British" by conquest?

Personally, I believe the Ligurians own the land... and that's probably why the dark hair and eyes dominate Britain.

"Avienus makes only one direct reference to the Celts when he mentions that
beyond the tin-producing Oestrymnides was a land now occupied by the Celts,
who took it from the Ligurians."--Cunliffe, Ancient Celts

"They were distinguished from the Celtae, not merely by their manners and customs, but by their small stature and dark hair and eyes, and are stated by Pliny and Strabo to have inhabited Spain. They have also left marks of their presence in Central Gaul in the name of the Loire (Ligur), and possibly in Britain in the obscure name of the Lloegrians."
--Dawkins, Cave Hunting

"'a stormy channel separates the coast which the Damnonii occupy from the island Silura, whose inhabitants preserve the ancient manners, reject money, barter merchandise, value what they require by exchange rather than by price, worship the gods, and both men and women profess a knowledge of the future.'... Firbolg and Firdomnan harmonises very singularly with the legendary accounts of the tin workers of Cornwall and the tin islands. It is not difficult to recognise in the tradition that the Firbolg derived their name from the leathern sacks which they filled with soil, and with which they covered their boats, and the Firdomnan from the pits they dug, the people who worked the tin by digging in the soil and transporting it in bags to their hide-covered boats."
--Skene, Celtic Scotland,v1

"Bertrand and Reinach both maintain the pre-Celtic origin of Druidism."
--Wright, Druidism the Ancient Faith of Britain

So your answer seems to be "Invaders became British by right of conquest."
Did God tell your Aryans to go steal Ligurian lands?

There were successive waves of immigration into the British isles and Ireland.

To go back to the earlier history of Israel in Britain, their settlement occurred in many stages, starting soon after the Exodus from Egypt with some from the tribe of Dan going first to Ireland. After the Assyrian’s took the Northern tribes away, they made their way across Europe to the British Isles, in groups such as the Gauls, Celts, refugees from Tyre, Vikings, Angles, Saxons, Franks, etc. Their waymarks, dolmens are seen across Europe. Jeremiah 31:21

The Whole History of the Tuatha de Danann: Ireland's Most Ancient Race
Firbolgs - On the Ancient Races of Ireland

Interesting how you call these invasions "immigration"...
The people who were invaded call it Oppression and theft.

From the Triads history of the Cymry

XIII. The three Mighty Oppressions of the Isle of Britain, that combined together, and therefore became one oppression, which deprived the Cymry of their privileges, their crown, and their lands. The first was that of the Coranians, who confederated with the Romans, so that they became one; the second, that of the Romans; and the third, that of the Saxons, who confederated wlth the other two against the Cymry.

VII. The three Social Tribes of the Isle of Britain. The first was the nation of the Cymry, that came with Hu the Mighty into the isle of Britain, because he would not possess lands and dominion by fighting and pursuit, but through justice and in peace. The second was the tribe of the Lloegrwys, that came from the land of Gwasgwyn, being descended from the primitive nation of the Cymry. The third were the Brython, who came from the land of Armorica, having their descent from the same stock with the Cymry. These were called the three Tribes of Peace, on account of their coming, with mutual consent, in peace and tranquillity: and these three tribes were descended from the original nation of the Cymry, and were of the same language and speech.--Cambro-Briton, v1
 
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Did God tell your Aryans to go steal Ligurian lands?
One thing for sure; all that happened regarding the settlement of Britain and from there, America and the Commonwealth nations, was all part of God's Plan. He knows where the House of Israel is. Amos 9:9

It is His secret, so we cannot make any definite conclusions about who is a true Israelite by descent. But we can know who is a true Israelite by faith., and when we go to live in all of the holy land, the majority will be actual descendants of Jacob and Gods promises to the Patriarchs will be fulfilled.
 
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One thing for sure; all that happened regarding the settlement of Britain and from there, America and the Commonwealth nations, was all part of God's Plan. He knows where the House of Israel is. Amos 9:9

It is His secret, so we cannot make any definite conclusions about who is a true Israelite by descent. But we can know who is a true Israelite by faith., and when we go to live in all of the holy land, the majority will be actual descendants of Jacob and Gods promises to the Patriarchs will be fulfilled.

On this map from CCEL...

CNM33-ApostlesFate.gif

Apostles, Disciples, fate and death, Thomas, Bartholomew, John, Peter, Andrew

... since four of the 12 were fishermen, I'd say Andrew and Simon, James and John must have wanted to travel by boat... ?

The stories of Joseph of Arimathea in Britain... plausible if he actually is the tin merchant he's claimed to be... and if he wanted to go there himself, instead of just hiring it done, as usual.
Numerous Ancient Manuscripts Confirming St. Joseph (of the Sanhedrin) Founded the British Hebrew Priesthood at Glastonbury in 36AD

Britain, Phoenicia's Secret Treasure

We can add to that map 1 Peter 1... I originally went looking for this map because I wondered who'd gone to Greece. In any case, these places must have been where the lost sheep of the house of Israel had gone.

There are traditions in Britain among the Dumnonii:

"The tin from a Jew's House was known as "Jew's House tin..."
--W C. Borlase, Antiquities of Cornwall

The Jews of South-West England

And this fascinating hint:

"The ancient Cornish language had also arrested his attention, and he had, I remember, conceived the idea that it was akin to the Chaldean, and had been largely derived from the Phoenician traders in tin."--Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Adventure of the Devil's Foot

So... Chaldean is sometimes called Syrian, a West Semitic language, like that of the Amorites. And the Egyptian portraits of the Amorites look Nordic, to me. Nor were they the only European-looking people banished if not killed outright in Palestine.

"The Amorite is called Amar on the Egyptian monuments, Amurra in the cuneiform tablets of Tel el-Amarna. As has already been remarked, the name was applied to the district which lay immediately to the north of Palestine, and included the sacred city of Kadesh on the Orontes, which afterwards became a stronghold of the Hittites. ... A comparison of the head of an Amorite with that of a Shasu suggests that the second is a degraded form of the first. The pointedness of the nose is exaggerated in the Shasu, and his receding forehead contrasts unfavourably with the profile of the Amorite; but on the whole there are certain resemblances between them which lead to the possibility that both are referable to the same original type. ... It thus becomes probable that the blond Shasu of the Egyptian monuments were an Amorite tribe of nomadic habits who were on that account classed with the other 'Plunderers’ or Bedawin of the desert by the Egyptian scribes."
--Sayce, Races of the Old Testament, p.111, 113, 117.

"The Amorites also occupied the whole of the mountainous district of Syria and Palestine from the neighbourhood of Kadesh in the north to the desert southward of Judah, and on the eastern side of the Jordan they founded the two kingdoms of Bashan and Heshbon. In the mountains of Moab and Seir they formed the aboriginal population, partially dispossessed by the Semitic tribes of Moab, Ammon, and Edom, and the name of Horite under which they went in Edom is best explained as meaning “white,” in contradistinction to the Semitic Edomite or “red-man.” A passage in the Pentateuch (Numbers xiii. 29) expressly states that along with the Hittites and Jebusites they inhabited the mountainous region, while the Canaanites dwelt on the coast and the valley of the Jordan. That Jebusite simply means a cross between Hittite and Amorite is clear from the statement of Ezekiel (xvi. 3, 4, 5) that Jerusalem, whose old name of Jebus gave rise to that of Jebusite, was born of a Hittite mother and an Amorite father. The Egyptian monuments bear witness to the same “interlocking” of Hittite and Amorite."
The White Race of Palestine : A. H. SAYCE

I thought long ago, that our races of Western Europe came from Palestine's enemy list. Where else could the long-headed blonde Nordics come from? The Asiatics like Saxons and Celts etc., are all round-heads. The Mediterranean Race by Sergi says tall blondes are only a variation on the short dusky Mediterranean long-head.
The Mediterranean race: : Sergi, Giuseppe
 
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Hi Ligurian

You are totally taking the words of Isiah 28: out of context You start off in verse one and then jump right to verse 14 without even a hint that you have done this Hack job on the chapter.

You conveniently left out this

[3] The proud crown of the drunkards of E'phraim will be trodden under foot; [4] and the fading flower of its glorious beauty, which is on the head of the rich valley, will be like a first-ripe fig before the summer:
when a man sees it, he eats it up as soon as it is in his hand.

The rich Valley IS LEBANON The Jews did not own or occupy Lebanon in the days of Jesus. The bit about Ephriam ends right here. They are trampled under foot.

When Isiah says this there are still two nation there is the House of Israel in the North modern Lebanon the head of the rich valley and the House of Judah in the South modern day Israel then called Judea.

Isaiah is a prophet to both the House of Judah and the House of Israel the two houses are prophesied about throughout this book.

The rest of the chapter is to the House of Judah Jesus even quotes this in the Gospels. It jumps forward To IN THAT DAY. it is not the same day as the destruction of Ephraim that happened in 715BC Ephraim was long gone by the destruction of the first temple let alone the second.

[5] In that day the LORD of hosts will be a crown of glory, and a diadem of beauty, to the remnant of his people; [6] and a spirit of justice to him who sits in judgment,

In fact it continues on about Judea all the way to

29:[17] Is it not yet a very little while until Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field,
and the fruitful field shall be regarded as a forest? [18] In that day the deaf shall hear
the words of a book, and out of their gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind shall see.

He then goes back and says that Lebanon meaning the House of Ephraim shall be turned into a fruitful field. The Jews house was left desolate Jesus brought his teachings to the house of Israel/ Ehpraim which at the Time Isaiah wrote this was in Lebanon.
 
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