What is a Beast in Prophetic Scripture

Jamdoc · Aug 22, 2021

Just The Facts said:
Hi

In 60's when this doctrine became popular through books and movies like the late great planet earth. A Generation was said to be 20 years then it was 30 years then it was 40 years then it was 50 years and then 60 years and the 70 years now 80 Years. in the 70's people started saying it wasn't just Israel it was Jerusalem....never mind it was the exact same people who had been saying it was 1948 just a few years before .......

Never mind the whole thing is based on taking scriptural out of the literal into a spiritual interpretation but on top of all that the whole order is backwards.

Doctrine
Says god raises them from their spiritual grave returns them to the land and then god gives them a heart or spirit

Ezekiel says

God raises them from the dead gives them a spirit and then places them in the Land.

And the final never mind is that even if it is true it is only the house of Judah not the house of Israel.

I have no problem it was a false doctrine when first promoted by George Bush in 1841 and remained a false doctrine when through their own political will they made it happen in 1948 and is still a false doctrine today.

providence that this just released today coincidentally...
Don Stewart on Bible Prophecy

regarding this very topic on Israel coming back in unbelief.

to me the Jews continued existence as a distinct ethnicity with distinct culture no matter what country they were scattered to, is proof that God is not finished with them.
You don't meet Jebusites or Amorites, or Philistines anymore, all those have been absorbed into other ethnicities and cultures.
But Jews, those of the tribe of Judah, still exist as a distinct group of people.

Just The Facts · Aug 22, 2021

Hello

Well that last line is questionable. Jews by Faith I would agree with by blood skeptical. Most Jews in Europe are descendants of the Ashkenazi Jews.

Now granted there is debate if these Jewish populations documented in eastern Europe Ukraine and south were converts or descendants of migrating Jews from the Babylonian Dispersion that had settled in North Iran and Turkey. What is known for sure is there numbers were in the hundreds of thousands by the 10th Century AD. The other thing we know is that scripture tells us all the Jews Returned to Judea after Babylon. The historical records shows that Joseph King of the Khazars was Jewish in Faith in 8th century. This fact was originally believed based on Muslim and Byzantium and Greek Accounts then doubted by researchers at the University in Israel and now proven beyond doubt by letters recently translated in the London Museum. History shows that it was this eastern Population that migrated west and settled in the Rhine in the middle ages. By 1930 these Ashkenazi Jews represented about 92% of the worlds Jewish Population. Yiddish originally thought to have Rhineland origins in fact has developed in Eastern Europe north of the Turkish Border Linguistic studies have now proven. These Jews Migrated west in the mid ages all the way around Europe and back into Africa

Genetic Studies have shown this to be true so the reality is that vast majority of Jews in the World today are descendants of the Ashkenazi Jews of Eastern Europe. In fact the populations are so close that the chance of a Jewish person is related to another Jewish person within 10 generations is very high. In the general population it is more like 30 generations if you just grab two random people. The other thing the studies have found is that there is a very high connection to Irano-Turko-Slavic Populations much more so than European Populations Showing that the originating peoples are from Irano-Turko-Slavic Areas. The generational diversion of the genetics shows a 40 generation split which coincides exactly with the fall of the Khazan Empire and their Migration across Europe and back into Africa and Palestine. In North America 95% of Jews are from the Ashkenazi Jewish line. The Other 5% seem to have more European genetics than Irano-Turko-Slavic.

So the reality is that most Jews in the world today are in fact not from the Tribe of Judah at all estimates are that it most likely less than 1%.

Now having said all of that there is scripture that says conversion makes you a Jew so the arguments continue as in all of these topics.

Timtofly · Aug 24, 2021

Douggg said:
Allow me to do a recopy of my first post of this thread...

Kingdoms
kingdom(s) - Daniel 7:23, Revelation 13:2

Persons
men - Revelation 13:3-4, Revelation 17:13, Revelation 13:11, Revelation 17:11, Revelation 13:18, Revelation 20:10, Daniel 7:17, Revelation 17:8b

Satan - Revelation 17:3, Revelation 17:7

Serpent - Genesis 3:1, Revelation 17:8a

Beings
Heavenly creature(s) - Revelation 4:7, Revelation 6:1

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Persons are not necessarily humans. Satan, for example, is a person but not a human. Satan is an angel.

The Serpent is a special situation. He was not an angel. Nor a human.

He was able to speak, reason, in a very communicative way, that Eve had no difficulty in talking back and forth with the Serpent.

The abilities the Serpent had is extremely unusual and unheard of for what we know of beasts today.

Therefore, I consider the Serpent a person, because he showed traits commonly shared by humans, and angels, in being able to communicate in language and think.

In addition the Serpent could have been human-like in appearance, just as the angels are human like in appearance. There is no way of knowing for sure, what the Serpent looked like, before the curse was put on him.

My own personal view is I don't think the Serpent initially had the appearance of a snake, until God placed the curse on him.

And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Satan goes by a few monikers.

Marilyn C · Aug 25, 2021

Timtofly said:
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Satan goes by a few monikers.

Yes and each of those describes his actions.

The serpent of old who deludes. (Gen. 3: 1)

Satan, who deceives. (Rev. 20: 7 & 8)

The devil who robs, kills & destroys. (John 10: 10)

The dragon, who devours. (Rev. 12: 4)

And how wonderful, for the Lord has defeated each aspect of Satan`s evil plans.

Douggg · Aug 25, 2021

Timtofly said:
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Satan goes by a few monikers.

"that old serpent" Satan was involved with the serpent in the garden of Eden. Satan used the serpent, as a tool for Satan's agenda.

Therefore, in Revelation 17, the angel tells about the mystery of (1) the woman (2) of the scarlet colored beast that carried her, i.e. Satan.

Verse 8 is the mystery about Satan - pertaining to the beast.

The first segment of verse 8, the beast was and is not. That is to say, he once was a live but currently is not alive. Someday to come out the bottomless pit. That's the serpent in the garden of eden, used by Satan. Which why Satan is called "that old serpent"

The second segment, the beast was, and is not, yet is. The beast was alive, then is dead, but comes back to life. That's the end times person. Represented by the mortally wounded head/but healed head of Revelation 13. The end times person will be used by Satan as well.

Combining the serpent in the garden of eden, now a disembodied spirit, with the end times person - both used by Satan in his agenda, is the mystery of Satan in being the beast John saw in Revelation 17.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Douggg · Aug 25, 2021

Marilyn C said:
Yes and each of those describes his actions.

The serpent of old who deludes. (Gen. 3: 1)

Satan, who deceives. (Rev. 20: 7 & 8)

The devil who robs, kills & destroys. (John 10: 10)

The dragon, who devours. (Rev. 12: 4)

And how wonderful, for the Lord has defeated each aspect of Satan`s evil plans.

Satan's utter destruction into the lake of fire is yet to come. God's dismantling of Satan and his angels kingdom will begin in Revelation 12:7-9, in the middle of the 7 years.

Timtofly · Aug 25, 2021

Douggg said:
The first segment of verse 8, the beast was and is not. That is to say, he once was a live but currently is not alive. Someday to come out the bottomless pit. That's the serpent in the garden of eden, used by Satan. Which why Satan is called "that old serpent"

You are missing the point that Satan was that serpent. All of the points of Satan, himself.

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