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The earliest historicists presumed that the structure of Revelation is the same as Daniel’s book or that the narration repeatedly backtracks. This pattern is what is known as recapitulation. They held the seven seals essentially cover the same period as the seven churches and the trumpets, nearly the same period as the seven seals, and the vials almost the same period as the trumpets. In essence, the septets (the seven seals and seven trumpets and seven vials) fold back on the seven churches in defiance of specific developmental guidelines.

Indeed, one of the issues in interpreting the Revelation is “progressive revelation.” The earliest historicists did not accept the prophetic view of the seven churches. Even so, today, a significant number acknowledge the progressive revelation that the seven churches represent prophetic eras, especially as the last one exemplifies our modern-day era of a market-driven society in the illustration that the church is lukewarm and maintains they are “rich and increased with goods, and have need of nothing” (Revelation 3:17). That is undoubtedly the character of the prosperity churches today. The point is that historicism has acknowledged the need to correct previous misconceptions, and I establish my thesis on this principle.

One example of correction is the developmental guideline in Revelation 4:1, “I will shew thee things which must be hereafter,” which has never been given proper weight by traditional historicists. They acknowledge that the seven churches follow a linear narration but dismiss the developmental guideline of Rev 4:1 and return to the period of the first church as if the seven seals must follow Christ’s first advent instead of following the opening of the last church. My work does not dismiss any developmental guidelines. It maintains the seals must represent phenomena following the introduction of the final church, as the trumpets covey the phenomena of the last seal and the vials the final trumpet. My restructuring makes my work unique amongst others of the same subject or school of thought.

My model maintains the Revelation portrays a linear narration starting at chapters 1 through 11 before it breaks that narration in chapter 12 to return in the time from whence it started. In essence, the book is intended to be folded in half. I ground my model on the Hebraic calendar and its prophetic festivals, and the developmental guidelines in the book. In other words, the seven churches represent the seven months between the spring and autumnal festivals, which maintains the seals, trumpets, and vials depict the antitypical types of Rosh Hashanah, and Yom Kippur (Festival of the trumpets and Day of Atonement. By antitypical we mean the representation of the festivals, just as the lamb in Passover represented Christ.)

Here is a list that exposes the traditional historicist’s interpretation of the seals, trumpets, and plagues as fuel fit for the fire in 1 Corinthians 3:13:

· One, the verb tenses in Revelation 17:10-11 unequivocally convey the eighth head/kingdom is one of the fallen five, before the sixth, which exposes the folly that the sixth head is any form of government of the Roman beast or the Roman empire itself. No doubt, the eighth kingdom represents the revived Papacy in the historicist’s school of thought. Said texts destroy the rendition that John’s perspective was his day, but rather the future event of the judgment upon the fallen church, prophesied in 2 Thessalonian 2:3.​

· Two, the harlot Babylon cannot be hated and burned by the ten kings and at the same time give their power to her to make war with Christ at his return, which demolishes the interpretation that the harlot Babylon is the Papacy at any time.​

· Three, it is ludicrous to interpret the little horn in Daniel 7 as God’s fallen church at any time in history. The little horn was corrupt at its inception. Again, this demolishes the interpretation that the harlot Babylon is the Papacy at any time.​

· Four, the sea beast is the head that is wounded and represents the Papacy, since Daniel maintains it is the little horn and not the fourth beast that fulfills the 42-mouth criterion. It is the little horn and not the fourth beast that fulfills the criteria that it blasphemes, speaks great things, is given the saints to war against, etc. This identity demonstrates the sea-beast is the head/kingdom that “was, and is not” in Revelation 17 and cements the sixth head/kingdom is the two-horned beast, America, and the seventh is the image.​

· Five, nowhere in the Bible are mountains held cryptically as passing forms of government, Uriah Smith’s view, or individual kings, the preterist view. Interpreting them as successive governments that have persecuted God’s people is scriptural, a fact.​

· Six, the notion that the Papacy rides the Roman empire in John’s day, five hundred years before it comes into existence, is ludicrous.​

Knowing that John’s sea-beast is synonymous with the little horn in Daniel 7 and 8, we can deduce that the casting of the stars to the earth in Revelation 12:4 and the similar event in Daniel 8:10 are explained as a two-part or bipartite attempt by the dragon to sabotage the church by continuing to seduce the Church to resort to the sword to uphold its authority. To reiterate, God intended to plant his church in “heavenly places,” which is expressed in Ephesians 1:3 and 2:6, but the dragon seduced a number of the hosts to apostatize or fall from this station through the Roman emperors and the Roman popes. Through recapitulation, Daniel 8 develops this bipartite association between the fourth beast and the little horn of Daniel 7. The dragon, through the Roman empire, the fourth beast, sought to seduce the church into wielding the sword as the corrector of heretics, just as the dragon, through the papacy, lured the horns or nations that formed the European See to commit supposed heretics to the sword and flame. In Daniel 8:11, the Roman Empire magnified itself against the “prince of host” Christ, as did the papacy. In a subcategory to his treatise titled, On the Subordination of the State to the Church, a nineteenth-century catholic prelate Tommaso Maria Zigliara, maintained the pope held all things necessary for the “valid authority over all peoples or nations,” which support my thesis.[1] The Roman Empire cast down the sanctuary of God in AD 70, while, in agreement with historicist Gerhard Pfandl, the papacy cast down the sanctuary by,

placing human intercession into the hands of the priests, the use of confessional, and by sacrificing Christ anew in every Mass, the Papacy has eclipsed Christ’s heavenly ministry in the minds of the worshipers. Believers no longer approach Christ directly; instead, they go to the priest, to the saints, or to Mary. By substituting the priest’s service here on earth for Christ’s role in the heavenly sanctuary the little horn has symbolically “cast down the place of his sanctuary” to the earth and thereby defiled it.[2]​

Daniel 8:9 conveys that the little horn rises out of one of “them” and “waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.” Those who maintain the horn represents Antiochus Epiphanies interpret the antecedent of the pronoun “them” as the horns. Yet, Antiochus does not exhaust the criteria that identify the little horn, while the bipartite interpretation that the little horn is the Roman Empire and the papacy fulfills all the criteria and correlates with the history of the latter entities. The most revealing bipartite interpretation is that both the Roman Empire and the papacy came from out of the Western Macedonian dominion and “waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.” The historical accounts relate that the Roman Empire,

conquered Macedonia and waxed exceeding greater than Alexander “towards the south, and towards the east, and towards the pleasant land” (Daniel 8:9). Rome waxed to the south and Egypt was ultimately made a province of Rome in 30 BC. Antiochus Magnus was defeated by Rome and made to pay tribute and Syria became a Roman province in 65 BC as Rome waxed to the east. The pleasant land is Judea and Rome made it a province in 63 BC.[3]​

In support of the bipartite interpretation of the little horn in Daniel 8, pope Urban II sanctioned the first Crusade that invaded the pleasant land from the same western dominion that was once Macedonia and inevitably took possession of Jerusalem for the pope in AD 1099. The fourth Crusade sacked Constantinople in AD 1204, which fulfilled the criterion that the little horn waxed exceeding great to the east. In AD 1218 the fifth Crusade besieged the Egyptian port of Damietta and held it for two years after the siege, fulfilling the criterion that the little horn waxed exceeding great to the south.

The bipartite attempt by the dragon power to seduce the church to defile itself by welding the sword through the Roman Empire and the papacy ended with the rise of the Protestants, specifically protestant America. The papacy corresponds historically with the king that “was” and “is not” in Revelation 17, as the Protestant’s disestablishment of religion wounded it. Here we find the significance of the absence of the crowns in the beast's description with seven heads and ten horns. The twentieth-century historicist George McCready Price rightly interpreted the significance of the missing crowns in Revelation 17 and how they match perfectly with the history of the papacy and the Protestants,

The ten horns of the scarlet beast of chapter 17 have no crowns upon them, suggesting that this vision applies at a later period after the ten horns have ceased to do the bidding of the Papacy, a fact further suggested by the statement that these ten kings “have not yet received royal power,” or the power to oppress or lord it over the minds and lives of men; “but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast.” (Revelation 17:12, R.S.V.) In other words, at the time here spoken of intolerance and persecution had ceased for the time being, but would again be revived, along with the power of the beast from the abyss, the bottomless pit. And how accurately this describes our own times, when the power to persecute has been quiescent for nearly two centuries, but when the ominous signs of the revival of intolerance are visible to all![4]​

The schools of thought competing with historicism must whitewash the history of the papacy and Protestantism to maintain their eschatology. Associate professor of law, E. Gregory Wallace, supports Price’s historical correlation that the scarlet beast in Revelation 17, that “was” and “is not,” at “the time” of the judgment of the harlot Babylon, was heralded in Revelation 13 and represents the disestablishment of religion by Protestantism. Wallace’s support is in the historical evidence that the papacy often coerced the kings of Europe into bowing to its authority before disestablishment occurred,

This struggle for supremacy was repeated again and again in the centuries that followed. The emperors sought to retain power over the church through the appointment of bishops and other means. Asserting the intrinsic superiority of the spiritual over the temporal, the popes would claim the higher power for themselves, which included the power to depose emperors. Such claims were backed by the powerful presence of the Catholic church in society. The church had its own laws, courts, and bureaucracy—it was itself very much like a state. National power often was fragmented and the only bond of unity that held society together was its common Catholic religion. Pope Innocent III proclaimed at the beginning of the thirteenth century that “[e]cclesiastical liberty is nowhere better cared for than where the Roman church has full power in both temporal and spiritual affairs”220 and that it had been left to Peter, the first pope, ‘not only the universal church but the whole world to govern.”221 The popes deposed or threatened with deposition at least six kings and excommunicated emperors and kings on more than ten occasions. Papal claims reached a crescendo with Boniface VIII’s bull, Unam Sanctam (1302), and its bold declarations that “the spiritual power has to institute the earthly power and to judge it” and “it is altogether necessary to salvation for every human creature to be subject to the Roman pontiff.”[5]​

The papacy legitimized the use of the sword against supposed heretics, taken from the horns at disestablishment, hence the missing crowns on the horns. Price’s interpretation maintains that John was taken by the Spirit unto the future judgment of the harlot Babylon, a time in which the Protestant’s disestablishment breaks the papacy’s power of religion, which has been the history for some two-hundred years.

The question arises, how is my work relevant to today’s society? My work’s relevance for today’s society is in rediscovering Christ's meaning when he declared his people as a light to the world and a city set on a hill. At no time in history has it been more relevant to grasp that declaration’s intent and fulfill it. Indeed, my work is the history of how the Church lost that place in society.

[1] Tommaso Maria Zigliara, Summa philosophica in usum scholarum, Vol. 3, (Paris G. Beauchesne, 1910), 316; article is translated by Timothy Wilson for The Josias.com, On the Subordination of the State to the Church

[2] Gerhard Pfandl, Daniel: The Seer of Babylon, Review & Herald Publishing (July 1, 2004), 80

[3] Marsue and Jerry Huerta, Thy Kingdom Come: Re-evaluating the Historicist’s Interpretation of the Revelation, iUniverse (December 28, 2018), 291

[4] George McCready Price, Time of the End (Southern Pub. Association; 1st edition, 1967), 33.

[5] E. Gregory Wallace, Justifying Religious Freedom: The Western Tradition, Penn State Law Review, Vol. 114, No. 2, 2009, 536.

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You answer seems convoluted and forcing facts. When I look at Daniel 7 and the son of man takes the kingdom after the 42 months of persecution it would seem that is the same as Dan 2 the stone cut without hands descending and becoming the kingdom that leaves no trace of the other kingdoms. in Zech 14 the kingdom comes on a specific day when Jerusalem is being overrun and then the LORD is king over all the earth. I recognnize this is a historicist page yet in the futurist safe house I have been met with many historicist opposing my view. So how many times does the kingdom come that covers the earth and has no end begin? It would seem to make sense to take all verses that show the before and after picture and compare them and see if there is no contradictions. This is a bit of what I think you are trying to do. You can delete my post if you like or we could discuss it further. God bless as I really respect the ideas of responding to the criticism in chapter 2.3 or REv. The application is always the same.
 
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You answer seems convoluted and forcing facts. When I look at Daniel 7 and the son of man takes the kingdom after the 42 months of persecution it would seem that is the same as Dan 2 the stone cut without hands descending and becoming the kingdom that leaves no trace of the other kingdoms. in Zech 14 the kingdom comes on a specific day when Jerusalem is being overrun and then the LORD is king over all the earth. I recognnize this is a historicist page yet in the futurist safe house I have been met with many historicist opposing my view. So how many times does the kingdom come that covers the earth and has no end begin? It would seem to make sense to take all verses that show the before and after picture and compare them and see if there is no contradictions. This is a bit of what I think you are trying to do. You can delete my post if you like or we could discuss it further. God bless as I really respect the ideas of responding to the criticism in chapter 2.3 or REv. The application is always the same.

If you’re a futurist, then you must agree that Christ’s kingdom is the age to come. That’s when Christ breaks the kingdoms to pieces. Daniel 7 holds four, nay five beasts, the fifth being the entity that the saints are given over to for 42 months. Daniel holds that the fifth beast rises out of the fourth and uproots three horns, which is unquestionably the papacy. History confirms the Roman Pontiff provoked Justinian to subdue the Arian Visigoth, Vandals, and Ostrogoths, which allowed the papacy to rise and enforce its authority over the collapsed western empire by AD 538. Precisely 1260 years later the papacy’s authority was broken with the revolutionary spirits fostered by Protestantism in America that culminated with the French revolution by AD 1798. Secularism arose out of these revolutions, and the spirit of disestablishment wounded the fifth beast in Daniel 7: a day for a year, 42 months. The papacy has not yet fully recovered.

There is nothing convoluted or forced in such an interpretation, unlike the notion of the futurist’s gap in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 and the idea that the church is an ad hoc contingent because of the Jews that God hardened rejected Christ. Being hardened, they had no choice but to submit to their flesh, as they were never the true Israel of God: “For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel” (Roman 9:6). God did not offer the kingdom to the builders destined to reject the cornerstone as it was never theirs, to begin with.

As for Zechariah 14, it parallels Joel and the apocalyptic horsemen of the Revelation, which represents judgment by God’s locust army upon His people. The locust army has “the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run” (Joel 2:4). Hebraic scholars posit that the locust army represents the judgment depicted by Rosh Hashanah, and then turning back of this army, after years of devastation, represents Yom Kippur, when God separates the wheat from the tares. I happen to agree with the Hebraic scholars on this account (see The Historicist: Babylon the Great).
 
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If you’re a futurist, then you must agree that Christ’s kingdom is the age to come. That’s when Christ breaks the kingdoms to pieces. Daniel 7 holds four, nay five beasts, the fifth being the entity that the saints are given over to for 42 months. Daniel holds that the fifth beast rises out of the fourth and uproots three horns, which is unquestionably the papacy. History confirms the Roman Pontiff provoked Justinian to subdue the Arian Visigoth, Vandals, and Ostrogoths, which allowed the papacy to rise and enforce its authority over the collapsed western empire by AD 538. Precisely 1260 years later the papacy’s authority was broken with the revolutionary spirits fostered by Protestantism in America that culminated with the French revolution by AD 1798. Secularism arose out of these revolutions, and the spirit of disestablishment wounded the fifth beast in Daniel 7: a day for a year, 42 months. The papacy has not yet fully recovered.

There is nothing convoluted or forced in such an interpretation, unlike the notion of the futurist’s gap in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 and the idea that the church is an ad hoc contingent because of the Jews that God hardened rejected Christ. Being hardened, they had no choice but to submit to their flesh, as they were never the true Israel of God: “For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel” (Roman 9:6). God did not offer the kingdom to the builders destined to reject the cornerstone as it was never theirs, to begin with.

As for Zechariah 14, it parallels Joel and the apocalyptic horsemen of the Revelation, which represents judgment by God’s locust army upon His people. The locust army has “the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run” (Joel 2:4). Hebraic scholars posit that the locust army represents the judgment depicted by Rosh Hashanah, and then turning back of this army, after years of devastation, represents Yom Kippur, when God separates the wheat from the tares. I happen to agree with the Hebraic scholars on this account (see The Historicist: Babylon the Great).


HI the year a day theory does fit at some levels. But you really have not dug into what I would call the synoptic passages and list every detail of the before and after aspect of the kingdom coming and those verses cover a wide area of subjects.

I would approach this idea with another tact and compare the integration of the prophecies and see which idea holds them together tighter. This answer would be a large book so for a fair back and forth Ill start with a foundation of what is expected of Jesus found in LUKE 1.

Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”


67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.

Now the promise to Mary is Jesus will sit on the throne of David and His kingdom will have no end and then in Zachariah's word the prophecies, promises, covenant and oaths are mentioned that Jesus will deliver them from their enemies and from that time on they will worship and serve the LORD without fear and now in holiness all the days of their lives.

This is the literal before and after picture which can be presented and it matches Hosea who notes that in the place where God says not my people (Jezreel) you shall be called sons of the living God. Jezreel is another name for Armageddon. Now Hosea 3 notes 4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. 5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They shall fear the LORD and His goodness in the latter days.

Now here the promise of the return of the kingdom is linked to the idea of Israel going many days without a king and the idea of David being raised up too. In the latter days you will consider it. These ideas are presented together in Jer 30 as well.
4 Now these are the words that the LORD spoke concerning Israel and Judah.
5 “For thus says the LORD:
‘We have heard a voice of trembling,
Of fear, and not of peace.
6 Ask now, and see,
Whether a man is ever in labor with child?
So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins
Like a woman in labor,
And all faces turned pale?
7 Alas! For that day is great,
So that none is like it;
And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble,
But he shall be saved out of it.
8 ‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the LORD of hosts,
That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
9 But they shall serve the LORD their God,
And David their king,
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with you,’ says the LORD, ‘to save you;
Though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you,
Yet I will not make a complete end of you.
But I will correct you in justice,
And will not let you go altogether unpunished.’

18 “Thus says the LORD:
‘Behold, I will bring back the captivity of Jacob’s tents,
And have mercy on his dwelling places;
The city shall be built upon its own mound,
And the palace shall remain according to its own plan.
19 Then out of them shall proceed thanksgiving
And the voice of those who make merry;
I will multiply them, and they shall not diminish;
I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.
20 Their children also shall be as before,
And their congregation shall be established before Me;

‘You shall be My people,
And I will be your God.’ ”
23 Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD
Goes forth with fury,
A continuing whirlwind;
It will fall violently on the head of the wicked.
24 The fierce anger of the LORD will not return until He has done it,
And until He has performed the intents of His heart.
In the latter days you will consider it.

Now this idea of the latter days includes Jacob being gathered back from everywhere where they were scattered and the city Jerusalem needing to be rebuilt again. Again this is happening when David is raised up. Just as Hosea notes you will be my people and I will be your God.
Whom I will raise up for them.
 
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HI the year a day theory does fit at some levels. But you really have not dug into what I would call the synoptic passages and list every detail of the before and after aspect of the kingdom coming and those verses cover a wide area of subjects.

I would approach this idea with another tact and compare the integration of the prophecies and see which idea holds them together tighter. This answer would be a large book so for a fair back and forth Ill start with a foundation of what is expected of Jesus found in LUKE 1.

Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”


67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.

Now the promise to Mary is Jesus will sit on the throne of David and His kingdom will have no end and then in Zachariah's word the prophecies, promises, covenant and oaths are mentioned that Jesus will deliver them from their enemies and from that time on they will worship and serve the LORD without fear and now in holiness all the days of their lives.

This is the literal before and after picture which can be presented and it matches Hosea who notes that in the place where God says not my people (Jezreel) you shall be called sons of the living God. Jezreel is another name for Armageddon. Now Hosea 3 notes 4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. 5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They shall fear the LORD and His goodness in the latter days.

Now here the promise of the return of the kingdom is linked to the idea of Israel going many days without a king and the idea of David being raised up too. In the latter days you will consider it. These ideas are presented together in Jer 30 as well.
4 Now these are the words that the LORD spoke concerning Israel and Judah.
5 “For thus says the LORD:
‘We have heard a voice of trembling,
Of fear, and not of peace.
6 Ask now, and see,
Whether a man is ever in labor with child?
So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins
Like a woman in labor,
And all faces turned pale?
7 Alas! For that day is great,
So that none is like it;
And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble,
But he shall be saved out of it.
8 ‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the LORD of hosts,
That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
9 But they shall serve the LORD their God,
And David their king,
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with you,’ says the LORD, ‘to save you;
Though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you,
Yet I will not make a complete end of you.
But I will correct you in justice,
And will not let you go altogether unpunished.’

18 “Thus says the LORD:
‘Behold, I will bring back the captivity of Jacob’s tents,
And have mercy on his dwelling places;
The city shall be built upon its own mound,
And the palace shall remain according to its own plan.
19 Then out of them shall proceed thanksgiving
And the voice of those who make merry;
I will multiply them, and they shall not diminish;
I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.
20 Their children also shall be as before,
And their congregation shall be established before Me;

‘You shall be My people,
And I will be your God.’ ”
23 Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD
Goes forth with fury,
A continuing whirlwind;
It will fall violently on the head of the wicked.
24 The fierce anger of the LORD will not return until He has done it,
And until He has performed the intents of His heart.
In the latter days you will consider it.

Now this idea of the latter days includes Jacob being gathered back from everywhere where they were scattered and the city Jerusalem needing to be rebuilt again. Again this is happening when David is raised up. Just as Hosea notes you will be my people and I will be your God.
Whom I will raise up for them.


Eze hits a the same them. in chapter 34-37

chapter 37
21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
24 “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 The nations also will know that I, the LORD, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.” ’ ”

On this idea alone we have the latter days Israel gathered back and made holy and a deliverance just like Luke 1 promised. This is just a micro sample of the literal ideas that are in harmony with the Luke 1 prophecy of what Jesus will do.
 
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Eze hits a the same them. in chapter 34-37

chapter 37
21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
24 “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 The nations also will know that I, the LORD, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.” ’ ”

On this idea alone we have the latter days Israel gathered back and made holy and a deliverance just like Luke 1 promised. This is just a micro sample of the literal ideas that are in harmony with the Luke 1 prophecy of what Jesus will do.


here is the Ezekiel 34 text also on when David is raised up and what the LORD says to me this is what Luke 1 is promising.

20 ‘Therefore thus says the Lord GOD to them: “Behold, I Myself will judge between the fat and the lean sheep. 21 Because you have pushed with side and shoulder, butted all the weak ones with your horns, and scattered them abroad, 22 therefore I will save My flock, and they shall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep. 23 I will establish one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them—My servant David. He shall feed them and be their shepherd. 24 And I, the LORD, will be their God, and My servant David a prince among them; I, the LORD, have spoken.
25 “I will make a covenant of peace with them, and cause wild beasts to cease from the land; and they will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods. 26 I will make them and the places all around My hill a blessing; and I will cause showers to come down in their season; there shall be showers of blessing. 27 Then the trees of the field shall yield their fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase. They shall be safe in their land; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke and delivered them from the hand of those who enslaved them. 28 And they shall no longer be a prey for the nations, nor shall beasts of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and no one shall make them afraid. 29 I will raise up for them a garden of renown, and they shall no longer be consumed with hunger in the land, nor bear the shame of the Gentiles anymore. 30 Thus they shall know that I, the LORD their God, am with them, and they, the house of Israel, are My people,” says the Lord GOD.’ ”
31 “You are My flock, the flock of My pasture; you are men, and I am your God,” says the Lord GOD.

This before and after theme is great and if you like I can show other related in depth areas that are all in agreement.
 
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here is the Ezekiel 34 text also on when David is raised up and what the LORD says to me this is what Luke 1 is promising.

20 ‘Therefore thus says the Lord GOD to them: “Behold, I Myself will judge between the fat and the lean sheep. 21 Because you have pushed with side and shoulder, butted all the weak ones with your horns, and scattered them abroad, 22 therefore I will save My flock, and they shall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep. 23 I will establish one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them—My servant David. He shall feed them and be their shepherd. 24 And I, the LORD, will be their God, and My servant David a prince among them; I, the LORD, have spoken.
25 “I will make a covenant of peace with them, and cause wild beasts to cease from the land; and they will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods. 26 I will make them and the places all around My hill a blessing; and I will cause showers to come down in their season; there shall be showers of blessing. 27 Then the trees of the field shall yield their fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase. They shall be safe in their land; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke and delivered them from the hand of those who enslaved them. 28 And they shall no longer be a prey for the nations, nor shall beasts of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and no one shall make them afraid. 29 I will raise up for them a garden of renown, and they shall no longer be consumed with hunger in the land, nor bear the shame of the Gentiles anymore. 30 Thus they shall know that I, the LORD their God, am with them, and they, the house of Israel, are My people,” says the Lord GOD.’ ”
31 “You are My flock, the flock of My pasture; you are men, and I am your God,” says the Lord GOD.

This before and after theme is great and if you like I can show other related in depth areas that are all in agreement.

You proceed under the assumption that I hold a replacement theological perception, which I do not! While many historicists maintain that theology, I come from a Church of God perception that allows the acceptance that Christ came to fulfill Isaiah 49 as the Servant. The Servant is tasked to “raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel” and given to be “a light to the Gentiles,” and that he be God’s “salvation unto the end of the earth” (Isaiah 49:6). Paul is clear that God did not reject Israel (Romans 11) and that only some were broken and cast away, with the possibility of being regrafted. Your texts actually agree with this perception, supported in the New Testament when Christ sent his servants upon the highways to invite the guests to the wedding (Matthew 22).

All parallels and synoptic passages are accounted for between Old and New Testaments in such an interpretation. Upon the highways the servants of Christ undoubtedly encountered the lost tribes of Jacob, fulfilling the task of raising the tribes of Jacob and restoring the preserved of Israel, but one has to grasp that the promises must commence with salvation from the sin before salvation from their enemies is accomplished with Christ’s return. We are speaking in terms of prophetic telescoping here, which exposes the errors of futurism. The kingdom that was at hand (Matthew 13) was not the Messianic kingdom of the age to come but a benevolent insurgence into Satan’s dominion by those who would inherit the kingdom in the age to come. These insurgents commence with the conversion of the sons of Jacob, Ephriam, who are called and then sown in the earth.

And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the LORD their God, and will hear them. And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in the LORD. I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased. And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again. (Zechariah 10:6-8).​

Zechariah 10:6-9 is clearly the source of the parable in Matthew 13, specifically the sowing of the good seed and Satan’s planting of the tares alongside. This interpretation parallels the promise that all the families of the earth would be blessed by Abraham’s seed. Again, all parallels and synoptic passages are accounted for between Old and New Testaments in such an interpretation. Such an interpretation exposes the inadequacies of the futurist’s notion of a gap in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 and the idea that the church is an ad hoc contingent because of the Jews that God hardened rejected Christ.
 
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You proceed under the assumption that I hold a replacement theological perception, which I do not! While many historicists maintain that theology, I come from a Church of God perception that allows the acceptance that Christ came to fulfill Isaiah 49 as the Servant. The Servant is tasked to “raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel” and given to be “a light to the Gentiles,” and that he be God’s “salvation unto the end of the earth” (Isaiah 49:6). Paul is clear that God did not reject Israel (Romans 11) and that only some were broken and cast away, with the possibility of being regrafted. Your texts actually agree with this perception, supported in the New Testament when Christ sent his servants upon the highways to invite the guests to the wedding (Matthew 22).

All parallels and synoptic passages are accounted for between Old and New Testaments in such an interpretation. Upon the highways the servants of Christ undoubtedly encountered the lost tribes of Jacob, fulfilling the task of raising the tribes of Jacob and restoring the preserved of Israel, but one has to grasp that the promises must commence with salvation from the sin before salvation from their enemies is accomplished with Christ’s return. We are speaking in terms of prophetic telescoping here, which exposes the errors of futurism. The kingdom that was at hand (Matthew 13) was not the Messianic kingdom of the age to come but a benevolent insurgence into Satan’s dominion by those who would inherit the kingdom in the age to come. These insurgents commence with the conversion of the sons of Jacob, Ephriam, who are called and then sown in the earth.

And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the LORD their God, and will hear them. And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in the LORD. I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased. And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again. (Zechariah 10:6-8).​

Zechariah 10:6-9 is clearly the source of the parable in Matthew 13, specifically the sowing of the good seed and Satan’s planting of the tares alongside. This interpretation parallels the promise that all the families of the earth would be blessed by Abraham’s seed. Again, all parallels and synoptic passages are accounted for between Old and New Testaments in such an interpretation. Such an interpretation exposes the inadequacies of the futurist’s notion of a gap in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 and the idea that the church is an ad hoc contingent because of the Jews that God hardened rejected Christ.


Hi thanks for the reply and then you would take Zech 14 as not a literal passage? I would contend that when the Mt of Olives splits it is a specific day when Jerusalem is overrun. In notes the women are being ravished, and 1/2 the city is taken. Odd details in an allegory. Also the graphic melting deaths of those enemies when the LORD comes to fight and He comes with His saints. Now when the Mt of Olives splits it is not just forming a new river with two directions but also a new valley with again specific boundaries. This is when they will say the LORD is king over all the earth. This is when they will say the LORD is one. Now the river created flows year round and now we see the nations which are left must now come to Jerusalem to worship the king or they will get no rain. Egypt is singled out for this and no doubt in the millenium a drought will come upon Egypt and this passage will be shown to them.

In Eze 47 there is a clear prophecy of the dead sea being healed and becoming a prosperous fishing area. At this time the 12 tribes are given their inheritance by lot in the boundaries of Israel This is huge support for ZEch 14 being literal as teh river has a branch flowing east which would take it into the dead sea.

Now in Rev we see the LORD comes and the angels proclaim that the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of the LORD and His Christ and He shall rule forever and ever. Now the LORD strikes the nations and rules over then with a rod of iron from that point of coming at Armageddon.
This is where the disagreement about Daniels 70th week becomes unavoidable.

You see the beast in Rev 13 has 42 months to enforce the mark and image of the beast. In Daniels 70 weeks the scope is Daniels people and the Holy city. The 6 objectives are
“Seventy weeks[fn] are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of[fn] sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

I contend that these objectives as seen through Daniels People and Jerusalem again are still future and tied to the 2nd coming when the LORD is now king over all the earth.

You see the change in Jeruslaem and Daniels people is when? Jer 3 notes it well
14 “Return, O backsliding children,” says the LORD; “for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion. 15 And I will give you shepherds according to My heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.
16 “Then it shall come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land in those days,” says the LORD, “that they will say no more, ‘The ark of the covenant of the LORD.’ It shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they visit it, nor shall it be made anymore.
17 “At that time Jerusalem shall be called The Throne of the LORD, and all the nations shall be gathered to it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem. No more shall they follow the dictates of their evil hearts.
18 “In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given as an inheritance to your fathers.

This is the scope of Daniels 70th week and in the middle of the week the sacrifice will be stopped. 2 Thes 2 shows the man or sin being revealed in the temple claiming to be God and performing lying signs and wonders. This is the same guy as the beast and the pompous one in Dan . This guy has authority for 42 months and then the 2nd coming.
 
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Hi thanks for the reply and then you would take Zech 14 as not a literal passage? I would contend that when the Mt of Olives splits it is a specific day when Jerusalem is overrun. In notes the women are being ravished, and 1/2 the city is taken. Odd details in an allegory. Also the graphic melting deaths of those enemies when the LORD comes to fight and He comes with His saints. Now when the Mt of Olives splits it is not just forming a new river with two directions but also a new valley with again specific boundaries. This is when they will say the LORD is king over all the earth. This is when they will say the LORD is one. Now the river created flows year round and now we see the nations which are left must now come to Jerusalem to worship the king or they will get no rain. Egypt is singled out for this and no doubt in the millenium a drought will come upon Egypt and this passage will be shown to them.

In Eze 47 there is a clear prophecy of the dead sea being healed and becoming a prosperous fishing area. At this time the 12 tribes are given their inheritance by lot in the boundaries of Israel This is huge support for ZEch 14 being literal as teh river has a branch flowing east which would take it into the dead sea.

Now in Rev we see the LORD comes and the angels proclaim that the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of the LORD and His Christ and He shall rule forever and ever. Now the LORD strikes the nations and rules over then with a rod of iron from that point of coming at Armageddon.
This is where the disagreement about Daniels 70th week becomes unavoidable.

You see the beast in Rev 13 has 42 months to enforce the mark and image of the beast. In Daniels 70 weeks the scope is Daniels people and the Holy city. The 6 objectives are
“Seventy weeks[fn] are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of[fn] sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

I contend that these objectives as seen through Daniels People and Jerusalem again are still future and tied to the 2nd coming when the LORD is now king over all the earth.

You see the change in Jeruslaem and Daniels people is when? Jer 3 notes it well
14 “Return, O backsliding children,” says the LORD; “for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion. 15 And I will give you shepherds according to My heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.
16 “Then it shall come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land in those days,” says the LORD, “that they will say no more, ‘The ark of the covenant of the LORD.’ It shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they visit it, nor shall it be made anymore.
17 “At that time Jerusalem shall be called The Throne of the LORD, and all the nations shall be gathered to it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem. No more shall they follow the dictates of their evil hearts.
18 “In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given as an inheritance to your fathers.

This is the scope of Daniels 70th week and in the middle of the week the sacrifice will be stopped. 2 Thes 2 shows the man or sin being revealed in the temple claiming to be God and performing lying signs and wonders. This is the same guy as the beast and the pompous one in Dan . This guy has authority for 42 months and then the 2nd coming.

Zechariah must agree with Joel, which affirms the punishment upon God’s people is not confined to a single day but years (Joel 2:25). Zechariah 14 prophecies of Christ’s return and Joel the antitypical Day of the Lord, announced by the “day of darkness” and the sounding of the trumpet. Rosh Hashanah is the only prophetic festival concerning the outline of salvation that commenced on a new moon and the sounding of the trumpet. And the horsemen “run to and fro in the city” and “enter in at the windows like a thief” (Joel 2:9). Certainly, any hyper-literalism of Joel does not agree with the NT. John 4:21 affirms that the worship of God, through Christ, was altered from a centripetal nature to one that is centrifugal, in which the city of God can no longer be interpreted as literal but allegorical until Christ’s return.

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. (2 Corinthian 6:16)

For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. (Galatians 4:25-26).​

Futurists agree the Church is not subject to the wrath of God and Revelation 11 affirms that does not occur until the last trump, which maintains God’s people endure the tribulation of the apocalyptic horsemen, or what they represent, which is the object of my work in interpreting the Revelation.

As to Revelation 13, futurists fail to account for the progressive guideline that the crowns are upon the horns there and absent in the latter depiction of the beast with seven heads and ten horns in chapter 17. Clearly, the time depicted in chapters 13 and 17 is not the same. The time in 13 depicts the rise of the little horn in Daniel and Revelation 17 it's wounding as it “was” and “is not” from this future perspective. As I stated, this agrees with historicism and exposes the errors of futurism. Again, the papacy dominated the Germanic tribes that supplanted the western Roman empire, gave authority to the ten horns to persecute God’s people for 1260 years, which is interrupted by the wounding. And it is the beast from the earth that makes an image and forces men to receive that mark, not the sea beast. Futurists simply do not accurately account for the progressive guidelines in interpreting the Revelation.

As stated, prophetic telescoping is indicated in much of the OT prophecies. The prophecies are commenced with imminence and culminated with parallel phenomena far into the future at Christ’s return. The revelation of the promise of Elijah in the NT is a prime example. The same telescoping pertains to what is determined by the 70 weeks. Certainly, at the first advent, Christ finished the transgression, made an end of sins, and made a reconciliation for iniquity, and brought in everlasting righteousness, and sealed up the vision and prophecy, and anointed the most Holy with his ascent to the sanctuary in heaven.
 
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Hi I thank you for taking the time to make a good answer. I agree with you about Joel in that some times things do progress as in that day can be a much longer period than a single day. But some thing can be confined to the larger longer concept of the day and others have a precise before and after moment. As in the 2nd coming of the LORD will be a point in time that is precise. Now the elements described in the greater day and lead up to and be considered in the prophetic scheme.

I started my foundation with this concept of Jesus taking the throne of David as future and then noted the LUKE 1 prophecies of deliverance in keeping promises, oaths, covenants and prophecies as future. We got to Dan 9 where I maintain the 6 precepts as in regard to Daniels people and the Holy city are not accomplished yet and can support that with further with Isaiah 61 noting Jesus applied a portion of this to Himself that part up to the point of proclaiming the acceptable year of the LORD. The rest of the passage is also pertaining to Jesus. That part is the day of vengeance of our God. Now when we look at this passage we see again deliverance for Zion and it is not passed on to the New Jerusalem as a new covenant is made with them and their descendants so life is going on.

I see the great narrative of the seed of the woman crushing the head of the serpent as accomplished not at the cross as that was victory over sin and death but when the LORD comes and Satan is bound and the kingdoms of this earth are the kingdoms of the LORD and His Christ. This is when the promise in Isaiah 9
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

I see the millennium as when judgment and justice are established and then it would also be the 6 objectives of Daniel 9 brought in. The last 2000 years do not reflect judgment and justice as established. The parting though is if Armageddon is the end then why have a whole other scenario for the end described with a 1000 year bridge in between?
 
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Hi I thank you for taking the time to make a good answer. I agree with you about Joel in that some times things do progress as in that day can be a much longer period than a single day. But some thing can be confined to the larger longer concept of the day and others have a precise before and after moment. As in the 2nd coming of the LORD will be a point in time that is precise. Now the elements described in the greater day and lead up to and be considered in the prophetic scheme.

I started my foundation with this concept of Jesus taking the throne of David as future and then noted the LUKE 1 prophecies of deliverance in keeping promises, oaths, covenants and prophecies as future. We got to Dan 9 where I maintain the 6 precepts as in regard to Daniels people and the Holy city are not accomplished yet and can support that with further with Isaiah 61 noting Jesus applied a portion of this to Himself that part up to the point of proclaiming the acceptable year of the LORD. The rest of the passage is also pertaining to Jesus. That part is the day of vengeance of our God. Now when we look at this passage we see again deliverance for Zion and it is not passed on to the New Jerusalem as a new covenant is made with them and their descendants so life is going on.

I see the great narrative of the seed of the woman crushing the head of the serpent as accomplished not at the cross as that was victory over sin and death but when the LORD comes and Satan is bound and the kingdoms of this earth are the kingdoms of the LORD and His Christ. This is when the promise in Isaiah 9
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

I see the millennium as when judgment and justice are established and then it would also be the 6 objectives of Daniel 9 brought in. The last 2000 years do not reflect judgment and justice as established. The parting though is if Armageddon is the end then why have a whole other scenario for the end described with a 1000 year bridge in between?

I address this in a paper I published with Blogger. Let me post part of it, and I apologize for being a little long:

The question remains, what is the resolution between the initiation of the kingdom of God that was at hand in Matthew 3:2 and Mark 1:15 and its future consummation conveyed in 1 Corinthians 15:50? There can be little doubt that the consummate security of the age to come has a footing in the present through us, who genuinely avow Christ. The NT states we are delivered from the power of the prince of this world (John 16:11), Satan, through Christ, which also conveys the kingdom of God has come to fruition.

We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you…. Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. (Colossians 1:3, 12-14)​

Christ proclaimed the arrival of the kingdom of God with his ability to cast out demons.

But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. (Matthew 12:28)​

Christ’s proclamation that the kingdom of God was at hand (Matthew 3:2; Mark 1:15; Luke 10:9) and its subsequent arrival impart the underpinning of the consummate attributes of the age to come. The age to come is intruding into the dominion of Satan through the redemption of Christ and his mediation. As covenantalist Meredith G. Kline expressed it,

the Covenant of Redemption all along the line of its administration, more profoundly in the New Testament but already in the Old Testament, is a coming of the Spirit, an intrusion of the power, principles, and reality of the consummation into the period of delay.1​

Kline labels his doctrine, eschatological intrusion.

Now the consummation that Kline wrote about is the age to come, and the phrase the kingdom of God also is placed in this future age by Christ’s testimony.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:21-23)​

Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. (Mark 14:25)​

And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. (Luke 19:11-12)​

Again, we can take great solace in the NT evidence that the eschatological kingdom of God establishes absolute peace, security, the power, and principles of Christ in temporal as well as in a spiritual sense, which is now merely intruding into the dominion of Satan. This intrusion is by Providence. In other words, the teleological goal of Providence is to end the ordained worldly powers in this age and to establish Christ’s consummate reign in the age to come. The early church’s failure to grasp the concept that the consummate age was intruding into this age led the allegorists to disdain the Chiliast. As stated above, this controversy ended at the legalization of the Christian religion by Constantine, and acceptance of the allegorical interpretation supplanted Chiliasm. This controversy has reared its head again in comparatively recent times in such doctrines of Amillennialism, Postmillennialism, and Premillennialism. Kline’s perception of eschatological intrusion is on the right track, but it is much simpler than his take on the issue.

When Christ proclaimed the kingdom was at hand, he was utilizing classical or general prophecy, specifically what is termed prophetic telescoping today, which historicist Jon Paulien defines,

It was argued that general prophecy, because of its dual dimensions, may at times be susceptible to dual fulfillments or foci where local and contemporary perspectives are mixed with a universal, future perspective.2​

Classic prophecy expresses imminence in the same context with the distant eschatological consummation, without chronological notification within the context, which exposes the folly of the theory of preterism. Preterism hitches their theory on the imminence in classic prophecies, such as the Olivet Discourse, but fails to grasp the principle of dual fulfillment in the method and account for future fulfillment. The Old Testament’s typical use of the “Day of the Lord” and the New Testament’s prophecy of a future “Day of the Lord” (Zephaniah 1:7; 1 Thessalonians 5:2) emphasizes this principle. Classic prophecy is the method Christ used when he prophesied the kingdom of God was at hand. In support, Christ testified that Elijah must precede the restoration of all things but that he had already come in the person of John the Baptist.

And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. (Matthew 17:10-13)​

Christ interprets the phenomenon of Elijah as having the dual foci that Paulien related, “where local and contemporary perspectives are mixed with a universal, future perspective.” Additional support is in Christ’s rendering of Isaiah 61.

And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee… and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue… and stood up for to read… The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. (Luke 4:14, 16-21)​

Christ fell short of confirming the “day of vengeance of our God” in Isaiah 61:2, and the only tenable explanation is that it is held in abeyance until the consummation of the kingdom of God (2 Thessalonians 1:7-8). In the absolute sense, “deliverance to the captives” is a delivery from our enemies on the day of vengeance, when the wicked are vanquished (Matthew 13:38; 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Revelation 18:4-5). In eschatological intrusion, deliverance is from sin and the second death (Romans 6:14; Hebrews 9:25; Revelation 20:11-15). The “recovering of sight” in the absolute sense is common in the age to come (1 Corinthian 15:52-53), while by the eschatological intrusion sense, it is a miracle (Matthew 9:30; John 9:11). Being “set at liberty” in the age to come ends all oppression (Romans 8:18-23), in the Providential sense, it is peace in spite of oppression or adversity (2 Corinthians 8:4-9; Philippians 4:12-13). Christ expressed imminence and fulfillment of each aspect in what Isaiah prophesied, except for the “day of vengeance of our God;” that day is held in abeyance until Christ returns. These aspects of the eschatological kingdom are intruding into Satan’s domain through Christ’s Providence until he consummates them at his return.

There is one other issue concerning the eschatological intrusion of the kingdom to come that must be addressed; was Christ's Providential intrusion of his Church into Satan's domain prophesied? If it was, then the notion that Christ established the promised Messianic kingdom, the stone kingdom of Daniel 2, at the first advent is erroneous. The parables in Matthew 13 concerning “the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven,” reveal this eschatological intrusion. One of the parables is explicit in revealing this intrusion.

Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. (Matthew 13:24-25)​

Christ interprets the illustration later in the chapter as God sowing or scattering his elect people throughout the world to produce a good harvest of souls. The command to go “into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature” (Mark 16:15) is this sowing. Jeremiah, Hosea, and Zechariah’s prophecies are the source of the parable.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast. And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD. (Jeremiah 31:27-28)​

And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God. (Hosea 2:23)​

And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in the LORD. I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased. And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again. (Zechariah 10:7-9)​

In a subsequent verse of Jeremiah, within the context, he reveals this day as the day God makes a New Covenant with Israel and Judah.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. (Jeremiah 31:31-33)​

When the Romans scattered the remnant of Jews who avowed Christ and the elect descendants of the lost tribes, Israel/Ephraim, received the gospel (1 Peter 1:1-2), the prophecies mentioned above and the mysterious kingdom of God/heaven became the eschatological intrusion into Satan’s dominion. The nations to which the elect remnant of Israel migrated fulfilled the kingdom that was at hand, while in classic prophetic style, the prophecy in Jeremiah 31:34, which ends the need to preach because everyone knows the Lord, was held in abeyance. Christ did not come to establish the Messianic kingdom, as Covenantalism and dispensationalism maintain. The first advent was intended to deliver the elect of Israel from sin and the second death through Christ’s sacrifice and the establishment of the NC, and then scatter the house of Israel throughout the world to gather in the gentiles. The Covenantalist and dispensationalist have failed to grasp that it was the second advent in which God intended to gather Israel to receive their inheritance, and establish the stone kingdom of Daniel 2, which is prophesied in Jeremiah, below (Isaiah 14:1, 27:12-13, 43:5-6, 65:8-10; Ezekiel 34:13, 36:24, 37:25; 39:28; Zephaniah 3:20; Amos 9:14-15).

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land. (Jeremiah 23:5-8)​

The Hebraic festivals foreshadowed the two advents; the spring festivals foreshadowed the first advent, and autumnal festivals foreshadowed the gathering of Israel from their sowing at the second advent. The seven churches in the Revelation represent the seven months between the spring and fall festivals, which is substantiated in Thy Kingdom Come: Re-evaluation of the Historicist’s Interpretation of the Revelation, by Marsue and Jerry Huerta.


[1] Meredith G. Kline, The Structure of Biblical Authority, Wipf & Stock Pub; 2nd ed. edition (November 1, 1997), 156.

[2] Jon Paulien, “The End of Historicism? Reflections on the Adventist Approach to Biblical Apocalyptic—Part One,” Journal of the Adventist Theological Society, 14/2 (Fall 2003), 15–43.
 
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