Fear of the vaccine

Michael Collum said:

So much for matters being decided with two or three witnesses. A man wise in his own conceit it is. #proverbsarethebest

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When you decide what to eat everyday, do you go and seek validation from three different people on what to put in your mouth?

obscura said:

When you decide what to eat everyday, do you go and seek validation from three different people on what to put in your mouth?

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What I eat doesn't affect everyone else.

Whether I get vaccinated affects everyone I come into contact to.

Your example is not an apt comparison.

Michael Collum said:

Whether I get vaccinated affects everyone I come into contact to.

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You can still get it.
You can still spread it.
It literally makes no difference.

obscura said:

You can still get it.
You can still spread it.
It literally makes no difference.

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It makes a ton of difference. The rate and severity of infections is seriously reduced.

obscura said:

You can still get it.
You can still spread it.
It literally makes no difference.

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I guess your gospel makes no difference either then.

JohnB445 said:

I am afraid to get the vaccine because of the controversy surrounding it, and conspiracies.

I don't have hours of time to research this matter, and would feel bummed out to find out my fears are rational and correct after spending hours of time researching something, when I already believed in it in the first place.

How many of you believe the vaccine is safe and what research have you done?

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As I been watching this as most .. to me its fear of NOT getting the vaccine. Look how your treated talked about if you simple don't get it. There are so many that just.. don't want it.. HELLO here I am. No fear no worry.. when hearing about so much FEAR if you dont get it. Its sorry fact not worse then the flu that you can get you can carry and give it away and that which you just gave away has killed others. No one seems to care about that.

The fear will keep going.. well they say there is what 4 different variants now? I didn't search.. it was some MED site .. in-depth but still. So... lets see.. you will have to KEEP getting those shots.. getting some "vaccine" passport seems very likely (app). So they or someone will know everywhere you go.. duh to keep you and others safe. Thats whats this is all about. You can trust them.. just because they were wrong a few times..

Myself, i just dont want the vaccine. Not scared either way to be honest.

Except for the fact that if i did get the vaccine i may lose my tail!

Blade said:

getting some "vaccine" passport seems very likely (app).

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No instead of a passport, they are going with either a microchip that can be tracked from orbit or all vaccinated people get a 666 tattoo which will be needed for the buying and selling of goods.

JohnB445 said:

I am afraid to get the vaccine because of the controversy surrounding it, and conspiracies.

I don't have hours of time to research this matter, and would feel bummed out to find out my fears are rational and correct after spending hours of time researching something, when I already believed in it in the first place.

How many of you believe the vaccine is safe and what research have you done?

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It's very safe but not perfect. The odds of getting bad side effects are extremely lower than getting COVID and dying.

Lost4words said:

Myself, i just dont want the vaccine. Not scared either way to be honest.

Except for the fact that if i did get the vaccine i may lose my tail!

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Or your life

Sketcher said:

I and those in my family have been vaccinated. No ill effects from it so far.

I don't understand fear of the vaccine by people who claim to trust God to not fear other things. If we can trust God to protect us from those other things, we can trust him to ensure that the vaccine will work and not bring us harm.

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Well that piques my curiosity no end.

You claim you don't understand how people who "claim to trust God" can fear the vaccine - yet you took the vaccine... why? Because you're afraid of the virus?

For those who've taken the vaccine and have had no ill effects whatsoever...

Does it concern you at all that the potential adverse effects might not show themselves for months, even years to come?

And if that doesn't concern you... why? based on what?

Crwth said:

Well that piques my curiosity no end.

You claim you don't understand how people who "claim to trust God" can fear the vaccine - yet you took the vaccine... why? Because you're afraid of the virus?

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I was concerned about giving the virus to vulnerable members of my family. We have people over 70, and one diabetic. I also have a good friend who has a family history of issues with vaccination, so he can't get vaccinated. I got vaccinated for them, plus I feel like I'm in a better position to give blood now that I'm vaccinated.

But what I fear or don't fear isn't salient to the point I made, since I never claimed to be one of those people that fears nothing. I am pointing out the inconsistency in those who claim to not fear the virus because they trust God but do fear the vaccine. It makes no sense at all, if you trust God so much that you don't fear a virus that has killed many, many people but do fear a vaccine against it. Why wouldn't the same God who protects you from the virus also protect you from side effects of the vaccine?

Crwth said:

For those who've taken the vaccine and have had no ill effects whatsoever...

Does it concern you at all that the potential adverse effects might not show themselves for months, even years to come?

And if that doesn't concern you... why? based on what?

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No, it doesn't concern me, because that would be meaningless worry over what might happen that I have no control over. I'm honestly more concerned about it potentially losing its effect in a couple years.

Crwth said:

For those who've taken the vaccine and have had no ill effects whatsoever...

Does it concern you at all that the potential adverse effects might not show themselves for months, even years to come?

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No more than it concerns me that a large asteroid might come loose from the Kuiper Belt and hit the Earth, wiping out humankind. It's possible, but I have no reason to believe that it is going to happen anytime soon. But the "long haul" disorders in some people recovering from even mild COVID-19 infections do concern me. Because they are documented to exist and happen frequently enough to be a realistic concern.

And if that doesn't concern you... why?

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Because if I was concerned about every possible adverse event, I'd do nothing but worry. So I go with the odds. The likelihood of such a thing, based on data from over a century of other vaccinations, is quite tiny. Can you name one vaccine that has such delayed effects?

based on what?

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In my case, a lifetime in biology and years in immunology.

JohnB445 said:

I am afraid to get the vaccine because of the controversy surrounding it, and conspiracies.

I don't have hours of time to research this matter, and would feel bummed out to find out my fears are rational and correct after spending hours of time researching something, when I already believed in it in the first place.

How many of you believe the vaccine is safe and what research have you done?

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What did you just say?

Did you just say that you would be "bummed out" to learn through research that a presumptive guess was actually correct?

Sparagmos said:

It’s not really possible to “think for yourself” on subjects that require years of study to become an expert. On medical issues, I trust my doctor and the consensus of the medical community.

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My daughter's car was making a funny noise, kind of a "shushing" noise from the engine. I haven't overhauled an engine since the mid 80s, so I know I'm 'way behind the technology. But I know basically how internal combustion automobile engines work.

I had her vary the engine speed while I listened. One thing I noted was that the sound did not change as the engine speed changed while she was in Neutral, but it did change if she was in Drive (with the brake on).

We went to my daughter's mechanic who suggested that the problem was within the cylinder head and that she needed it replaced. I told him that the sound did not change unless the transmission was engaged. He gave me a blank look.

I told my daughter, "Let's go to my mechanic."

My mechanic thought the problem was in the engagement of the engine to transmission because the sound only changed when the transmission was engaged.

There is a certain amount of thinking for oneself that can be done--provided one is willing to put in a bit of study rather than simply making presumptuous guesses. And that can be enough to make some judgments on the advice of experts.

RDKirk said:

There is a certain amount of thinking for oneself that can be done--provided one is willing to put in a bit of study rather than simply making presumptuous guesses. And that can be enough to make some judgments on the advice of experts.

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Knowing the basics and being able to reason does help, even if you're not an expert. But a person who had little understanding of how an automobile works, would not have been able to make the connection that you did.

I'm observing lots of people with almost no understanding of the way immunity and viruses work, making their own conclusions with nothing to guide them.

JohnB445 said:

Yes, because I then wasted my time, when I got to worry about work. I don't have enough free time to do hours of research on a vaccine with no prior knowledge to the medical field.

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If you have no prior knowledge and don't want to take the time to do research on something directly related with staying alive, then the next logical thing to do is to take the advice of the most prominent experts.

Running on your own uneducated guess is the worst thing.