4 Reasons John was writing a gospel sermon about suffering under Rome

keras · Jul 22, 2021

eclipsenow said:
The wise are purified because they understand.

How come, then; is there no consensus among Bible scholars about what we can expect in our future?
They agree on Salvation, on how we should live and they promote the Gospel of Jesus.
But ask a pastor, a vicar or any Bible expert and most often they won't even discuss prophecy, let alone give a sensible answer, even an opinion on what God will do in the future.
Prophecy is a subject that is generally ignored by the Church. I view this attitude as a sin; it basically rejects about a quarter of the Bible.

The wise of Daniel 12:10 are those who do carefully study the Prophetic Word and have gained understanding of what it is God has planned for the end times and beyond.

timothyu · Jul 22, 2021

keras said:
what it is God has planned for the end times and beyond.

It's called Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom.

eclipsenow · Jul 23, 2021

keras said:
How come, then; is there no consensus among Bible scholars about what we can expect in our future?

There's consensus in pockets - like the Sydney Anglican consensus that our future will contain more of the same until Judgement Day which is like your Great Day of Fiery Wrath AND GWT all combined.

They agree on Salvation, on how we should live and they promote the Gospel of Jesus.

Except you seem more concerned to promote your website

But ask a pastor, a vicar or any Bible expert and most often they won't even discuss prophecy, let alone give a sensible answer, even an opinion on what God will do in the future.

Sydney Anglicans will discuss it as ALL fulfilled in the gospel events of Jesus resurrection in eschatological tension - the now and not-yet of our salvation, waiting patiently for the Lord to return on JUDGEMENT DAY.

Prophecy is a subject that is generally ignored by the Church.

Rubbish - see above.
Work through a sermon series on Daniel or any OT prophecy book you want - and hear how Sydney Anglican scholars address it. Try Phillip Jensen's sermons. He was Dean of our Cathedral for years.
https://phillipjensen.com/resources/ He wrote the 2 ways to live gospel tract and his brother was archbishop for years. They helped turn Sydney Anglicanism around.

I view this attitude as a sin; it basically rejects about a quarter of the Bible.

Well that's funny, because we have sermons covering every bit of the bible.

The wise of Daniel 12:10 are those who do carefully study the Prophetic Word and have gained understanding of what it is God has planned for the end times and beyond.

Try Phillip Jensen.

https://phillipjensen.com/resources/the-vision-of-daniel/

Finally, on a personal note, I find the last verse of Daniel incredibly comforting from an apologetics point of view - as many unbelievers attack the OT as not having a lot about the afterlife in it. Now while many will debate the details (I'm with you that the afterlife is physical) this is clear that at least is one!

“As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”

keras · Jul 23, 2021

timothyu said:
It's called Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom.

Sure; Thy Kingdom will come, it is what we pray for!
It is how it will happen, that people are clueless about.

eclipsenow · Jul 23, 2021

Matthew Henry's doesn't give a hint of your idea that "The wise of Daniel 12:10 are those who do carefully study the Prophetic Word and have gained understanding of what it is God has planned for the end times and beyond."

Basically, it's knowing God or not knowing God, life vs death, not smug knowledge of the end-times vs dumbness about the end times. This Wisdom is not an optional extra. It's essential for life!

Again - the commentary experts with experience in Ancient Hebrew and Ancient History and hermeneutics don't agree with you. Are you starting to get the picture here? It's time to delete your website. What will 2026 bring? Who knows? You certainly don't. You can't even recognise another life vs death passage - but see it as a congratulation to your own royal wonderfulness!

(3.) He must count upon no other than that, as long as the world stands, there will still be in it such a mixture as now we see there is of good and bad, v. 10. We long to see all wheat and no tares in God's field, all corn and no chaff in God's floor; but it will not be till the time of ingathering, till the winnowing day, comes; both must grow together until the harvest. As it has been, so it is, and will be, The wicked shall do wickedly, but the wise shall understand. In this, as in other things, St. John's Revelation closes as Daniel did. Rev. xxii. 11, He that is filthy, let him be filthy still; and he that is holy, let him be holy still. [1.] There is no remedy but that wicked people will do wickedly; and such people there are and will be in the world to the end of time. So said the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceeds from the wicked (1 Sam. xxiv. 13); and the observation of the moderns says the same. Bad men will do bad things; and a corrupt tree will never bring forth good fruit. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or bring forth good things from an evil treasure in the heart? No; wicked practices are the natural products of wicked principles and dispositions. Marvel not at the matter then, Eccl. v. 8. We are told, before, that the wicked will do wickedly; we can expect no better from them: but, which is worse, none of the wicked shall understand. This is either, First, A part of their sin. They will not understand; they shut their eyes against the light, and none so blind as those that will not see. Therefore they are wicked because they will not understand. If they did but rightly know the truths of God, they would readily obey the laws of God, Ps. lxxxii. 5. Wilful sin is the effect of wilful ignorance; they will not understand because they are wicked; they hate the light, and come not to the light, because their deeds are evil, John iii. 19. Or, Secondly, It is a part of their punishment; they will do wickedly, and therefore God has given them up to blindness of mind, and has said concerning them, They shall not understand, nor be converted and healed, Matt. xiii. 14, 15. God will not give them eyes to see, because they will do wickedly, Deut. xxix. 4. [2.] Yet, bad as the world is, God will secure to himself a remnant of good people in it; still there shall be some, there shall be many, to whom the providences and ordinances of God shall be a savour of life unto life, while to others they are a savour of death unto death. First, the providences of God shall do them good: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried, by their troubles (compare ch. xi. 35), by the same troubles which will but stir up the corruptions of the wicked and make them do more wickedly. Note, The afflictions of good people are designed for their trial; but by these trials they are purified and made white, their corruptions are purged out, their graces are brightened, and made both more vigorous and more conspicuous, and are found to praise, and honour, and glory, 1 Pet. i. 7. To those who are themselves sanctified and good every event is sanctified, and works for good, and helps to make them better. Secondly, The word of God shall do them good. When the wicked understand not, but stumble at the word, the wise shall understand. Those who are wise in practice shall understand doctrine; those who are influenced and governed by the divine law and love shall be illuminated with a divine light. For if any man will do his will he shall know the truth, John vii. 17. Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser.
Matthew Henry: Commentary on the Whole Bible Volume IV (Isaiah to Malachi) - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

timothyu · Jul 23, 2021

keras said:
Sure; Thy Kingdom will come, it is what we pray for!
It is how it will happen, that people are clueless about.

Does it really matter? As long as God comes and puts a stop to man's governance over other man then anytime is fine with me.

Spiritual Jew · Jul 23, 2021

keras said:
only the wise leaders will understand. REBible
But those with discernment will understand. CJBible.
Obviously just a 'few' of the many who are purified.

But, you don't know how many have discernment if that's talking about a subset of those who are purified. You are just assuming it's only a few. If the context has to do with a subset of those who are purified that understand Daniel's prophecies, then you're not one of them.

I have donated to several Forums.
My writings are all free.

I wasn't saying that your writings shouldn't be free. Of course they should be since they don't benefit anyone. Why would anyone pay for false teaching? No, I'm saying that you being able to do your self promotion here shouldn't be for free. You should pay this website to do that if you haven't already.

Many people have told me how they appreciate my clear and well supported articles on the Bible prophesies.

Many people? I thought only a few understand? If you were correct in your doctrine and many people agree with you then your claim that only a few understand would be incorrect.

That you and others here won't even look at my website, shows how fixated and locked into your beliefs you are.

Now, why would I want to waste my time doing that? I already know that I disagree with a lot of your doctrine and I would assume your articles reflect the same doctrine that you try to promote here. So, what possible reason would I have to read articles you wrote that are saying the same things you post here that I disagree with?

If I had a similar website with hundreds of articles saying the same things I post here, would you read them? I highly doubt it. Why would you?

DavidPT · Jul 23, 2021

Spiritual Jew said:
I wasn't saying that your writings shouldn't be free. Of course they should be since they don't benefit anyone. Why would anyone pay for false teaching? No, I'm saying that you being able to do your self promotion here shouldn't be for free. You should pay this website to do that if you haven't already.

Even if there were articles, books etc, that do benefit someone in your opinion, meaning articles similar to Keras' articles, they should be free as well. My Bible says freely ye have received, freely give. That can be applied in numerous manners. I refuse to buy any book, any article, etc, even if it's beneficial, thus not false teachings, because that doesn't add up to in my mind---freely ye have received, freely give.

So, just because you have concluded that Keras' articles are false teachings, thus should be free, no articles, books, etc, involving what this Scripture means, what that Scripture means, etc, should ever cost anyone one red cent in order to find out, no matter what.

Spiritual Jew · Jul 23, 2021

DavidPT said:
Even if there were articles, books etc, that do benefit someone in your opinion, meaning articles similar to Keras' articles, they should be free as well. My Bible says freely ye have received, freely give. That can be applied in numerous manners. I refuse to buy any book, any article, etc, even if it's beneficial, thus not false teachings, because that doesn't add up to in my mind---freely ye have received, freely give.

So, just because you have concluded that Keras' articles are false teachings, thus should be free, no articles, books, etc, involving what this Scripture means, what that Scripture means, etc, should ever cost anyone one red cent in order to find out, no matter what.

Thanks for sharing your opinion, but I have no interest in debating about this. There isn't a right or wrong answer for this. Circumstances can be different for each person offering material like that.

All I will say is that if it costs someone money to have their material uploaded on a website or to get a book created and published, then I see no problem with them charging money for it if they want. Getting the money back for what it costs to publish the material, at least, seems reasonable. But, that's up to each person.

My point regarding keras is that his material shouldn't cost anything since it doesn't benefit anyone. That's my opinion. If it benefited someone then I'd have no problem with him charging something for it if he wanted. Especially if he's having to pay for the website his articles are on. But, if he wants to offer it for free and accept donations, that's fine, too. It's up to each person to decide how to handle that and it's not up to you or me to decide what's best for every situation since each situation can be different.

keras · Jul 23, 2021

eclipsenow said:
Matthew Henry's doesn't give a hint of your idea that "The wise of Daniel 12:10 are those who do carefully study the Prophetic Word and have gained understanding of what it is God has planned for the end times and beyond."

Matthew Henry died in 1714. He did not live in the time of the end, as Daniel 12:9 plainly states when the Prophesies will be kept secret and sealed until.
So he couldn't know what Daniel 12:10 meant, or any of the other Bible prophesies. Why must you quote him? Didn't you read verse 9?

timothyu said:
Does it really matter? As long as God comes and puts a stop to man's governance over other man then anytime is fine with me.

Has God given us so much information about His plans, for us to just say 'They don't matter'?
No, we are meant to a least try to unravel them. But while people have gripped onto false theories and fables, the truth will continue to be hidden from them.

Spiritual Jew · Jul 23, 2021

keras said:
Matthew Henry died in 1714. He did not live in the time of the end, as Daniel 12:9 plainly states when the Prophesies will be kept secret and sealed until.

It's been the time of the end for a long time now already.

1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

Hebrews 1:1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

The coming of the Holy Spirit to dwell in people's hearts along with the writing of the New Testament is what gives people understanding of Daniel's prophecies. It's not talking about a select few understanding it shortly before the end of the age, as you believe.

For example, being able to read about Christ's death and resurrection and how He put an end to the old covenant animal sacrifices while establishing the new covenant with His blood and the subsequent preaching of the gospel first in Israel is what gives us understanding of the 70th week of Daniel's 70 week prophecy. Many have understood that for a long time now.

So he couldn't know what Daniel 12:10 meant, or any of the other Bible prophesies. Why must you quote him? Didn't you read verse 9?

That is complete nonsense. You're coming up with your own definition of "the time of the end" without letting scripture define that for you. You think Paul or John would agree with your definition of the time of the end when they said themselves that it was already "the last hour" and the "last days" when they were alive?

Has God given us so much information about His plans, for us to just say 'They don't matter'?
No, we are meant to a least try to unravel them. But while people have gripped onto false theories and fables, the truth will continue to be hidden from them.

Who is saying that His plans don't matter? No one here on this forum is saying that. Disagreeing with you on what His plans are does not equate to not caring what His plans are.

Marilyn C · Jul 23, 2021

eclipsenow said:
You assume the theology you want, then argue from history that there was a great falling away and then coming back. You list the falling away verses as Acts 20: 27 - 30, but you have to be REALLY careful doing that for two reasons.

1. Not enough verses to describe your speculative stages of history.
If you're going to apply scripture to history like this, where are the verses that describes the Reformation and points 6 to 10 in the 'coming back'? Sorry, but I don't think you can pluck Acts 20 out of context and apply it to chunks of history as you see fit.

2. The main problem is, Acts 20 still applies today
Acts 20 seems to be about the majors, not the minors. "Savage wolves" is the language of salvation-breaking heresy - things that defy the gospel. All our debating eschatological frameworks is (mostly) not in the same league. Please be careful how you pluck verses out of their historical frameworks and apply them to theology you don't like - or you'll end up like Keras - unintentionally implying those that disagree with your mere eschatology are actually not saved in the first place!

I definitely agree that the errors are still here with us - `tossed to and fro,....` (Eph. 4: 14)

eclipsenow · Jul 23, 2021

timothyu said:
Does it really matter? As long as God comes and puts a stop to man's governance over other man then anytime is fine with me.

Yes! This!

eclipsenow · Jul 23, 2021

keras said:
Has God given us so much information about His plans, for us to just say 'They don't matter'? No, we are meant to a least try to unravel them. But while people have gripped onto false theories and fables, the truth will continue to be hidden from them.

Prove we are meant to unravel them from the New Testament - especially as Jesus says only the Father knows about 'that day'. (Remember, 'these things' the Romans destroying the temple in 70AD etc, would be identifiable, predictable, local, and fulfil the 'abomination that causes desolation' when the Romans burned down the temple they were looking at with their own eyes. 'That day' is the final Judgement Day when the Lord returns - and the Lord says only the Father knows about that.)

eclipsenow · Jul 23, 2021

Spiritual Jew said:
It's been the time of the end for a long time now already.

1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

Hebrews 1:1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

The coming of the Holy Spirit to dwell in people's hearts along with the writing of the New Testament is what gives people understanding of Daniel's prophecies. It's not talking about a select few understanding it shortly before the end of the age, as you believe.

For example, being able to read about Christ's death and resurrection and how He put an end to the old covenant animal sacrifices while establishing the new covenant with His blood and the subsequent preaching of the gospel first in Israel is what gives us understanding of the 70th week of Daniel's 70 week prophecy. Many have understood that for a long time now.

I like this summary - can I copy it please? (Add to my archives of copy & paste.)

I would just add that Peter saw Joel fulfilled not in the Millennium, or the "Firey Day" Keras keeps going on about, but at least parts of Joel fulfilled at Pentecost.

5 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
“‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people.

We've been in the Last Days for 2000 years and counting.

And as we read in Romans 8 - having the spirit enables people to be born again, to have Christ, to call God Father, etc. It's just as you said - the Holy Spirit + New Testament makes us the 'wise' Daniel was talking about - the saved - the gospel believers! Indeed in Revelation 5 Daniel's scroll is opened because of the gospel of the 'lamb that was slain.'

Rev 5
5:1–14 John recounts two parts of a single magnificent vision of God’s glory in chs. 4 and 5 (4:1–5:14 note). A second dramatic act within the vision is introduced in 5:1. From creation in 4:11, the action shifts to a focus on redemption and re-creation. God’s purposes of redemption and rule can be accomplished only through One who is uniquely worthy—Jesus Christ. He is simultaneously the fierce Lion of the tribe of Judah, warring against God’s enemies (17:14; 19:11–21), and the gentle Lamb that has been slain, who purchased His people with the blood of His atoning sacrifice (vv. 9, 10). Only God in His trinitarian fullness can accomplish these magnificent purposes. Note the presence of the Father (“him who was seated on the throne,” vv. 1, 7), the Son (“Lamb,” vv. 6, 7), and the Spirit of God (v. 6; 1:4 note), who is the horns and eyes of the Lamb.

This chapter constitutes the opening scene for the first cycle of judgments that lead up to the Second Coming of Christ (Introduction: Outline). The Lamb and the sealed scroll are introduced. The opening of the seals in 6:1–8:1 sets in motion a series of judgments that have their origin in God’s throne and purpose, and that issue in His final manifestation as Judge. See notes 6:12–17 and 8:1.
Rev 5 - ESV Reformation Study Bible - Bible Gateway

Rev 5:1
5:1 scroll. The scroll might represent a number of things—God’s covenant, His law, His promises, His plans, or perhaps a legal will. The close parallel with Dan. 12:4 makes it likely that the scroll is a heavenly book containing God’s plan and the destiny of the world. The unsealing of the book implies the accomplishment of the things God has purposed. John weeps (v. 4) because he longs for God’s purposes to be accomplished (Matt. 6:10), and it is hard to see how that can happen. However, through Christ’s decisive sacrifice a whole host is redeemed (v. 9), and the purposes of the Exodus and of man’s original dominion are finally fulfilled (v. 10).
Rev 5:1 - ESV Reformation Study Bible - Bible Gateway

keras · Jul 23, 2021

Spiritual Jew said:
It's been the time of the end for a long time now already.

Proved wrong by the fact that this Church age still continues. The end will be when it over and the time of the end is the short period before that.
Which we know from the details in Revelation 6:12 to Rev 19:11, will be about 15 to 20 years.

Spiritual Jew said:
That is complete nonsense

What is complete nonsense, is the guesswork of all the commentators, book writers, preachers and self proclaimed prophecy experts, who promote wild and wonderful theories, ideas and outright fables.
The undeniable evidence that they are all wrong, is they all have different beliefs, there is no consensus between the major doctrines.

eclipsenow said:
Prove we are meant to unravel them from the New Testament

God has not made the understanding of His plans impossible. Some will know how the end times will happen, in fact many prophesies say how people will understand it all after the next event; the Lord's Day of vengeance and wrath. Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 29:18, Isaiah 32:3-4

eclipsenow said:
Remember, 'these things' the Romans destroying the temple in 70AD etc, would be identifiable, predictable, local, and fulfil the 'abomination that causes desolation' when the Romans burned down the temple they were looking at with their own eyes.

This is not true. The AoD as described in Daniel 9:27 [you ignore the context that mentions a treaty; bad you] and in 2 Thess 2:4, is quite different from the Roman destruction of the Temple.

eclipsenow said:
This chapter constitutes the opening scene for the first cycle of judgments that lead up to the Second Coming of Christ (Introduction: Outline). The Lamb and the sealed scroll are introduced. The opening of the seals in 6:1–8:1 sets in motion a series of judgments that have their origin in God’s throne and purpose, and that issue in His final manifestation as Judge.

Can you not see just how worthless comments like this are?
They say a lot, but mean nothing useful.

eclipsenow · Jul 23, 2021

keras said:
This is not true. The AoD as described in Daniel 9:27 [you ignore the context that mentions a treaty; bad you

YOU are ignoring the fact that the New Testament reference to the abomination that causes desolation is in the CONTEXT of the whole bible. Daniel's AoD is most probably Antiochus. (See commentary below). That means when Jesus is warning them of 'these things' (THAT TEMPLE!) being destroyed - he is saying it will be as bad as Antiochus - so run away! Get out of Jerusalem. I admit the NT passages where Jesus warns about Rome are confusing because they refer to 2 different times.
1. "These things" - when THAT TEMPLE was going to be destroyed. Futurist's have to make up lies about why they were actually discussing some other hypothetical third temple that will probably never be rebuilt. But the disciples were just exclaiming and asking about THAT temple - the one standing before their very eyes, making them exclaim like country bumpkins in the big city.
2. "That day" - the Last Day, Judgement Day, when eternity is ushered in.

In that context go back and check out how Jesus cleverly compares AD70 to Antiochus - referencing Daniel - but also discusses how universal, unstoppable, and inescapable THAT DAY will be.

Dan 9:24–27
9:24–27 The interpretation of these verses is disputed at many points. There are two fundamental approaches to the interpretation of the “weeks” (lit. “sevens”): symbolic periods of time or literal periods of time. In the symbolic view the seventy years of punishment (v. 2) are multiplied seven times in accordance with the covenantal curses (Lev. 26:18, 21, 24, 28). Jubilees, a Jewish book from the period between the Testaments, also structures the whole of history into periods of 490 years. Adherents of the literal view fall into three categories. As with other prophecies in Daniel, some commentators interpret the verses with reference to the time of Antiochus IV. Other interpreters may be divided into two groups: (a) those who interpret the passage as having its primary focus on events associated with the First Advent of Christ and shortly thereafter (first-advent view); (b) those who interpret the passage as having reference to events associated with both the first and second advents of Christ with an unstated time interval between the two (second-advent view). Within each of these categories individual interpreters differ on details.
Dan 9:24–27 - ESV Reformation Study Bible - Bible Gateway

keras · Jul 23, 2021

eclipsenow said:
YOU are ignoring the fact that the New Testament reference to the abomination that causes desolation is in the CONTEXT of the whole bible. Daniel's AoD is most probably Antiochus.

People who view this forum, can easily see how you gloss over facts like there will be a 7 year treaty made before the AoD desecrates the Temple.
There was no 'treaty' of any kind before A4E or the Romans did that.
Your preterist notions fail miserably and your credibility is zero.

DavidPT · Jul 23, 2021

Spiritual Jew said:
That is complete nonsense. You're coming up with your own definition of "the time of the end" without letting scripture define that for you. You think Paul or John would agree with your definition of the time of the end when they said themselves that it was already "the last hour" and the "last days" when they were alive?

The time of the end happens in the last days. But not every single day of the last days involve the time of the end. The following easily proves it.

Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

This is something that happens in the last days, regardless that you might deny that for all I know. It makes zero sense that what is recorded in verse 40 is an event that happens during every single day of the last days rather than at a specific time during the last days. Obviously, prior to verse 40 being fulfilled it would not yet be the time of the end since that verse indicates that it is fulfilled at the time of the end.

Let's say that a football game represented the last days and that the 4th quarter represented the time of the end. In this example, no one would think the time of the end starts in the beginning of the game during the first quarter, nor the second, nor the third quarter, if the time of the end doesn't even begin until the 4th quarter.

Even though you adamantly disagree with Keras about a number of things, and even I do as well, to chalk up what he said about the time of the end as complete nonsense, if anything is complete nonsense here, it's not what Keras proposed, though.

eclipsenow · Jul 24, 2021

keras said:
People who view this forum, can easily see how you gloss over facts like there will be a 7 year treaty made before the AoD desecrates the Temple.
There was no 'treaty' of any kind before A4E or the Romans did that.
Your preterist notions fail miserably and your credibility is zero.

Ha ha ha - says the guy who thought Isaiah's light 7 times brighter than the sun was talking about a CME when the rains are blessing the land with bountiful grain and the books are overflowing! Ha ha ha ha!

9:27 he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week. Advocates of the first-advent view (9:24–27 note) understand that “anointed one” will “make a strong covenant,” that is, live out His public ministry. Advocates of the second-advent view posit a time interval between vv. 26 and 27 and understand that the “prince” will “make a strong covenant.” The “prince” is identified as Antichrist, who will establish a covenant with Jewish people regathered in the land of Israel during a “tribulation” period (12:1; Matt. 24:21; Rev. 7:14) of seven years (the seventieth “week”).

an end to sacrifice. According to advocates of the first-advent view (9:24–27 note) this refers to the termination of the Old Testament sacrificial system brought about by the death of Christ. According to advocates of the second-advent view this is a reference to the Antichrist’s prohibition of “sacrifice and offering” (perhaps standing for religious practice in general) by the regathered Jewish people after three-and-a-half years (Rev. 11:2; 12:6, 14) of the tribulation period.

one who makes desolate. According to the first-advent view (9:24–27 note) this describes the destruction of Jerusalem that occurred in a.d. 70. According to the second-advent view it describes a catastrophe that will come upon Jerusalem in connection with the activities of the Antichrist. Phrases similar to “an abomination that makes desolate” occur in Dan. 8:13; 11:31; 12:11 (notes) as well as 1 Macc. 1:54. Dan. 8:13 and 1 Macc. 1:54 are clearly references to the activities of Antiochus IV. Jesus refers to this “abomination” in His prophecy of events yet future (Matt. 24:15; Mark 13:14).
Dan 9:27 - ESV Reformation Study Bible - Bible Gateway

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