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Hi there,

So I had this simple insight (which I wanted to share with the Physical and Life Science forum, but moreso you - the believers - first) that evolution can explain "Creation". Creation, if you will, is the use of design, to differentiate the predicted but alternative "Evolutions", so as to ascertain the value of those Evolutions, as pertains to the most agreeable Evolutions (with other Evolutions like them). Evolution, in a sense, is gathered by Creation in disparate groups and weighed one Evolution against another (Evolution) to ascertain which combination is the most likely, to allow the Creation to flourish. If the Creation can flourish, then it's adaptive strength is able to exceed the limitations of both Evolution and Creation together - thus ensuring that the strengths of the species are passed down from generation to generation.
  1. There are a number of selection pressures
  2. There are a collection of responses to those selection pressures
  3. Creation differentiates those pressures and their respective responses, relative to Design
  4. The differentiated groups are then tested against their implicit connection with Design, in their various places
  5. The most Evolved groups in connection with Design, are then incorporated into the blueprint for the species
  6. This blueprint is tested during mating season
  7. The manner in which different mates succeed mating season, contributes to the arch-culture of preferred adaptations, for the species
So there is a development around Evolution, based on design, which vets which adaptations make it to the blueprint and how the blueprint records the memory of the arch-culture of the species. The point is that Evolution informs how the Design is tested, but the fact that Design comes first is the strongest point of adaptation not its weakest. Different groups and different Evolutions of those groups will result in different species, but not progressions of them, because the standard Design is enforced, for greatest flourishing - which supersedes mere survival, because of the sheer interconnectedness of Evolutions that Design alone is able to achieve. This is the solution to the body's complexity, right there!

Now of course, once the Design starts approving certain Evolutions and not others, a baseline of adaptability is able to be discerned, which drives the Design forward, in a way that having no design could ever achieve. In fact even discovering Design, can be described in an evolutionary way: being a response to a selection pressure, repurposed between one selection pressure and another, for which it was also "evolutionarily" suitable. It is 'Evolutionary suitability' then that comes to dominate the arch-culture, drawing in those things that answer to Design, whether evolved one way or another. This is not a mistake, if the presence of an "evolution" is not understood to inspire, but to create negative space around those adaptations that prove most Evolutionarily complete - it is not necessary for Evolution to "keep" evolving only point to that which is most relevant to Design. Ruthless as it may be, this in turn helps culture keep its specieal focus on the health and defence of its members.

The conclusion then, is that Creation is an adaptation of adaptations - a greater acceptance of change, that itself vets its develop relative to the flourishing that the Evolutionary cropping can induce. Where Evolution does not crop something, it itself is cropped. The fitness of the species, thus, is one of its highest expectations and the possibility of exercising that fitness a natural good, whether in relation to its Design, place in the Blueprint or entry into Culture. This then branches in a number of ways, that in turn validates pre-emptive preference for certain Creative solutions to a species' flourishing needs, that is: those solutions vetted by Evolution as both compatible with the species but also suggestive of the Direction of its advancement. Maintaining that Direction cultivates a strength in other kinds of the species, whose adaptations can benefit from the shared intel of a species that can communicate it - relative to the Design, that vets its Evolution in relation to itself.

If I was to summarize this, the easiest way would be to say "Creation steers Evolution, until both conditions (represented) validate the preeminence of a particular Attraction - when a species does this, it is at its most flourishing".

Live long and prosper.
 
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God created kinds.
21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind.
24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds.


What those were exactly we don't know, but he built in potential for variation to occur. The large cat kind broke into groups so that we now have a variety of large cats. The more genes get lost or mutated the more specialized the creatures became. Lions for example would not take a tiger for mate because of how much they have each changed from the original large cat kind, yet they are still similar enough so that man can breed them together to form a liger or a tigon. The one thing that will always hold true is that cats will always and only be cats, there is no ancestor that was never a cat. One kind did not change into another kind. God set boundaries when he made them.

When God sent the animals to the ark, he sent kinds not any species that may have developed.
Genesis 6:19-20

19 And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive.

God made them come to the ark, Noah wasn't out there trying to find animals. God chose and brought the best animal kinds to the ark. Those who would give strong healthy offspring to replenish the earth. Kinds not species. There were far fewer kinds then there are species. They would have also been young animals, possibly not even fully grown since there were months on the ark, but old enough to not need it's mother.
It's been estimated that there were 1,400 animal kinds on the ark.

Since only kinds went on, it is from the starting point after the flood that the species and adaptation we see now occurred.
 
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Actually, I have come to the conclusion, that when it comes to confessing "sins": God gives you the choice (what do be forgiven for).

To those who believe they are designed, forgiveness for sins of design; to those who believe they are proceeding, forgiveness for sins in the process of proceeding.
 
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Nice write I enjoyed the read, imo other things in creation that go beyond adaptations, mutations, evolutions, like what a flat worm can do or does when sliced into 10 pieces you will have 10 pieces grow into 10 fully developed flat worms brains eyes everything.

the immortal jellyfish that can revert back to its infant stage, full transformation metamorphosis when one animal dissolves and another turns on and takes the soup of cells and builds a whole other animal.

Most all of those processes are done by stem cell programming basically stem cells activating and deactivating at different intervals by design probably since the beginning maybe on a larger scale.
 
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If I was to summarize this, the easiest way would be to say "Creation steers Evolution, until both conditions (represented) validate the preeminence of a particular Attraction - when a species does this, it is at its most flourishing".
You could have saved yourself a lot of writing by just utilizing your summation!
In Darwin's presentation of his TOE he also talked about adaptation leading to change but didn’t know about genetic mutations, which is the source of variations! Darwin himself admitted that there were no intermediate links, in Geology, showing adaptions leading to the complete transformation of one life form into something totally different!

Evolutionists love to use dog breeding as an example for the TOE but the breeding of dogs is a process of breeding for certain genetic traits at he expense of other genetic traits leading to a lose of genetic information for the other traits which leads to less hardy animals prone to ailments! You can breed wolves down to chihuahuas but you can't reverse the process!

Any preeminence of a particular Attraction, if by that you mean the quality of being superior, would be expressed in God's original Creation being perfect having no evidence of genetic mutations present! Anything following the original creation after the fall is headed downhill!
 
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