Salvation = God's Blood

Sidon said:

Lets look at Salvation.

Having Salvation is to BE saved. To be saved is the exact same thing as being "born again" or "In Christ".
Salvation is to be "One with God and Christ", joined spiritually.
The proof you are, is not your water baptism or your church membership.
But rather its to become "ONE with God, and Christ'.
Salvation, is to exits IN God and God in you.
"Christ IN YOU< THE Hope......of Glory".

To be that, is a ETERNAL situation.
Eternal life, is not temporary, and once you have become a part of God, you have the Life that is eternal.
Jesus is eternal life and be being "in Christ", you have eternal life.

God does not partly save, and God does not require you to maintain your salvation.
Now, your discipleship, is yours to supply, but salvation is God's to Give.
You can no more keep yourself saved then you can be the blood of Jesus.
You can no more stop being saved, then you can stop being born.
Imagine the ignorance of being on a forum trying to prove you can stop being born.
Imagine telling your mother that you have no more desire to be born, no more faith to be here, and so, you are no longer born.
What would she think? Would she think you have lost your sanity?
So, imagine what God thinks when some try to prove they can stop being born again.
Don't be that deceived one.

Now, lets talk about HOW you went from being lost sinner to : saved Saint.
How you went from lost and alone in this world, to being a heir of God, and a Joint heir with Christ. How you went from Hell bound to Heaven's eternal child.

It happened like this..

God had to resolve your sin issue for you, as its your sin that had stopped all relationship between you and God.
Had you gone to hell, it would not have been because you are bad, but because you were not restored to relationship with God before you died.. See, all the people who went to hell today, and are now scheduled who final judgement.. Revelation 20:11.... are not God's Family.
They belong to the devil. He is their Father. So, the born again end up with their Father in eternity, and the rest end up with their Father in the lake of Fire.
So, God came here, to provide you with the only means to be restored back into His Eternal life, which is His family.
To do that, God had to make you as righteous as He is in a way that keeps you the same.
See, if the righteousness He gave you could be stopped, then its no good.
But because the "gift of righteousness" is not related to your behavior and is always unchanging, you exist always as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

God had to make you as sinless as He is to save you.....and the only means to do this is for God to offer His own Blood for you.
Jesus is God.
And when Jesus shed His blood, He is shedding God's blood for you.
And there is POWER in this Holy Blood. There is Eternal LIFE in this Holy Blood. There is forgiveness for all sin of the world, in this Holy blood. If this blood has touched you, then you are CLEAN forever, redeemed forever, forgiven for all eternity.
God's blood is not a partial or temporary resolution, it its in fact THE Eternal redemption supplied for you, as "the Gift of Salvation".

God's blood is not a partial payment or a temporary solution and knowing this is to understand the Grace of God.
God's blood shed for you is why God accepts you, and no other reason need apply.
See, God never accepts you based on you. He never takes you based on you.
God never keeps you based on you..
Its only God's BLOOD that God accepts to accepts you, and nothing else.
Unless God's blood has made you acceptable, then you are hell bound.
Never think that after you are saved, you then can do anything that will cause God to keep you, as if you think this, you have fallen from Grace and become a self saving fool.
There is no self saving. There is no keeping salvation based on YOURSELF.
There is on the Gift of God , that is God's blood that made you righteous, and keeps you righteous.

Jesus is God's Blood being shed, so if you have Jesus in you, then you have God's blood shed for you.
Final Answer, and all others are HERESY created by the DEVIL.

Finally...
Why does God accept you, based on His Blood?
Its because His blood so cleanses you, so perfects you, so sanctifies you, and so redeems you, that the eternal effect of it, is that you are "made righteous", forever.
IN other words, when God as Christ on the Cross became you sin, you became Christ's very righteousness.
When you were born again, ...not just water baptized, but, BORN AGAIN, .. then God's very righteousness became who you are, right now, and forever more.
That is the eternal effect, of, "the Gift of Salvation". which is the "Gift of Righteousness".

Saint...
God gave you for free, = the GIFT of becoming as Righteous as He is, and remaining so throughout eternity.
This is "the GIFT of Salvation".
This cost you nothing but your faith in Christ, while it Cost God His Son and His own Blood.

Hallelujah.
Great is the Lamb who was slain for us, and Great is the Lion who is alive and is coming back soon.

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Sidon said:

Lets look at Salvation.

Having Salvation is to BE saved. To be saved is the exact same thing as being "born again" or "In Christ".
Salvation is to be "One with God and Christ", joined spiritually.
The proof you are, is not your water baptism or your church membership.
But rather its to become "ONE with God, and Christ'.
Salvation, is to exits IN God and God in you.
"Christ IN YOU< THE Hope......of Glory".

To be that, is a ETERNAL situation.
Eternal life, is not temporary, and once you have become a part of God, you have the Life that is eternal.
Jesus is eternal life and be being "in Christ", you have eternal life.

God does not partly save, and God does not require you to maintain your salvation.
Now, your discipleship, is yours to supply, but salvation is God's to Give.
You can no more keep yourself saved then you can be the blood of Jesus.
You can no more stop being saved, then you can stop being born.
Imagine the ignorance of being on a forum trying to prove you can stop being born.
Imagine telling your mother that you have no more desire to be born, no more faith to be here, and so, you are no longer born.
What would she think? Would she think you have lost your sanity?
So, imagine what God thinks when some try to prove they can stop being born again.
Don't be that deceived one.

Now, lets talk about HOW you went from being lost sinner to : saved Saint.
How you went from lost and alone in this world, to being a heir of God, and a Joint heir with Christ. How you went from Hell bound to Heaven's eternal child.

It happened like this..

God had to resolve your sin issue for you, as its your sin that had stopped all relationship between you and God.
Had you gone to hell, it would not have been because you are bad, but because you were not restored to relationship with God before you died.. See, all the people who went to hell today, and are now scheduled who final judgement.. Revelation 20:11.... are not God's Family.
They belong to the devil. He is their Father. So, the born again end up with their Father in eternity, and the rest end up with their Father in the lake of Fire.
So, God came here, to provide you with the only means to be restored back into His Eternal life, which is His family.
To do that, God had to make you as righteous as He is in a way that keeps you the same.
See, if the righteousness He gave you could be stopped, then its no good.
But because the "gift of righteousness" is not related to your behavior and is always unchanging, you exist always as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

God had to make you as sinless as He is to save you.....and the only means to do this is for God to offer His own Blood for you.
Jesus is God.
And when Jesus shed His blood, He is shedding God's blood for you.
And there is POWER in this Holy Blood. There is Eternal LIFE in this Holy Blood. There is forgiveness for all sin of the world, in this Holy blood. If this blood has touched you, then you are CLEAN forever, redeemed forever, forgiven for all eternity.
God's blood is not a partial or temporary resolution, it its in fact THE Eternal redemption supplied for you, as "the Gift of Salvation".

God's blood is not a partial payment or a temporary solution and knowing this is to understand the Grace of God.
God's blood shed for you is why God accepts you, and no other reason need apply.
See, God never accepts you based on you. He never takes you based on you.
God never keeps you based on you..
Its only God's BLOOD that God accepts to accepts you, and nothing else.
Unless God's blood has made you acceptable, then you are hell bound.
Never think that after you are saved, you then can do anything that will cause God to keep you, as if you think this, you have fallen from Grace and become a self saving fool.
There is no self saving. There is no keeping salvation based on YOURSELF.
There is on the Gift of God , that is God's blood that made you righteous, and keeps you righteous.

Jesus is God's Blood being shed, so if you have Jesus in you, then you have God's blood shed for you.
Final Answer, and all others are HERESY created by the DEVIL.

Finally...
Why does God accept you, based on His Blood?
Its because His blood so cleanses you, so perfects you, so sanctifies you, and so redeems you, that the eternal effect of it, is that you are "made righteous", forever.
IN other words, when God as Christ on the Cross became you sin, you became Christ's very righteousness.
When you were born again, ...not just water baptized, but, BORN AGAIN, .. then God's very righteousness became who you are, right now, and forever more.
That is the eternal effect, of, "the Gift of Salvation". which is the "Gift of Righteousness".

Saint...
God gave you for free, = the GIFT of becoming as Righteous as He is, and remaining so throughout eternity.
This is "the GIFT of Salvation".
This cost you nothing but your faith in Christ, while it Cost God His Son and His own Blood.

Hallelujah.
Great is the Lamb who was slain for us, and Great is the Lion who is alive and is coming back soon.

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Sidon said:

By being a symbolic verse.

How is "depart from me i never knew you", absolutely not talking about the Born again?
How is that possible?

Its because it would be impossible to be "in Christ", "One with God and Christ", and "Christ in you, the hope of Glory", which includes all the born again, and Christ not know you.
Christ can't live in you, and not know you.. so those who are told to depart, were never born again.
They never had Christ in them.

So, the problem is, ..when we don't recognize a symbolic verse and try to teach it literally.

False Denominations are created by men who have made this mistake, over and over.

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Sidon said:

So, the problem is, ..when we don't recognize a symbolic verse and try to teach it literally.

False Denominations are created by men who have made this mistake, over and over.

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Sidon said:

See, there is no abiding In JESUS, as He is referring to, without being born again by God's Spirit, INTO God's Spirit, or "One with God, and Christ".

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Sidon said:

Again you are using both symbolic and parable to try to teach literally.
That does not work as doctrine.

Also, False doctrine is anything that contradict's Paul' Gospel, as He teaches it.
Any other Gospel then Pauls is : Galatians 1:8
This is Pauline Theology.
Anything else, or anything that contradict, PT, is false.

Paul was given Church Doctrine , and that is why he tells you to "be a follower of me, as i follow Christ" and this explains why Paul wrote most of the New Testament.
So, when we are strict Pauline Theologist, we are doing exactly what Christ told Paul to tell us to do.

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Sidon said:

To abide in Christ is to be born again...
To not abide is to be religious, but is not born again.

Abide, mean "continually", and the only way to continually abide in Jesus is to be born again "in Christ".

The word of God is spiritual.
It often seemingly presents what it's actually not presenting., and there is a Key to seeing this.

1. You have to study to show yourself approved.
2. you have to compare scripture with scripture to GET the revelation and the context.
3. you have to rightly divide, to see the light
4. you have to spiritually discern, and that is the BIGGIE. And when a person tries to just read a verse, and take it always as face value, then most of the time, they can't see it correctly.

Denominations are built all the time by men who read and never understood the NT.
Some try to overlap the Old Testament on top of the New.
Some live in the OT< as if the NT isn't its replacement.

This is why millions of Christians think that Christ could tell them to "depart", and in fact, He cant.
Christ is the one that said we will NEVER PERISH, if we are born again.

So, as i said, the word isn't face value, most of the time.
Its a totally spiritual situation.

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Sidon said:

Ive not written that you should ignore any verse.
I said that you can't use symbolic verse as doctrine.
Instruction, sure, teaching, sure...but doctrine as found in the time of the gentiles, is related to non-symbolic.
If you get into end time, past REV 3, then symbolic is much more literal., but not always.

Here is another key.

Christ the Jew, came to His Own.
So, notice verses that are written before the Cross was raised, and then notice verses written after the Cross was raised.
Things changed.
We went from OT to NT.
We went from commandments and law to "the time of the gentiles".

Often, a person tries to use a Pre-Cross verse, to try to counter a verse that happens after the Cross was raised, or worse, after Paul showed up with his Doctrine.
Believer's war over this confusion..., all the time on forums.
Denomination are raised over this same confusion.

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Sidon said:

Again you are using both symbolic and parable to try to teach literally.
That does not work as doctrine.

Also, False doctrine is anything that contradict's Paul' Gospel, as He teaches it.
Any other Gospel then Pauls is : Galatians 1:8
This is Pauline Theology.
Anything else, or anything that contradict, PT, is false.

Paul was given Church Doctrine , and that is why he tells you to "be a follower of me, as i follow Christ" and this explains why Paul wrote most of the New Testament.
So, when we are strict Pauline Theologist, we are doing exactly what Christ told Paul to tell us to do.

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BNR32FAN said:

In Luke 13:6-9 why is it uncertain whether or not the tree will bear fruit or if it will be chopped down if Christ is fertilizing it?

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Sidon said:

What do you mean by that ?
What is your understanding of this term?

I can tell you that i understand that God's Revelation of Himself and how He deals with man, is progressive.
It changes, tho God does not Himself change.
For example you have an old Testament and Old Covenant, that God "found fault with" and now we have a NEW Testament, and a New Covenant.
So, i recognize that those 2 are NOT THE SAME.
Thats a SWEEPING Change.
Total.

I recognize that the "time of the Gentiles" is separate from the Great Tribulation....etc

Is this what you mean?

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Sidon said:

So, "works" are not why or how, you are born again.
And "abiding" and "bearing fruit", are the same idea, which means this is related to SELF EFFORT, as you are understanding it.

And God does not save based on what you DO.
He Saves (born again) based on the CROSS and the BLOOD OF JESUS, being applied to you, as your "redemption".

Salvation is REDEMPTION, not works or self effort.
God did not come down here as Jesus to die on The Cross so that He can accept us based on our behavior or our water baptism or our church membership.

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