Was the 70th Week of Daniel Fulfilled during the First Century?

Douggg · Apr 22, 2021

jgr said:
The NT church lived in the last days.

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

The "little horn person" was identified long ago.

James 5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

Genesis 49:1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.

Douggg · Apr 22, 2021

jgr said:
My source is the faith, vision, wisdom, sacrifice, witness, and testimony of the historical defenders of the true faith for more than 1,700 years.

What is your source?

God is my source.

jgr · Apr 22, 2021

Oseas said:
Who is he?

Daniel 7:8

Little horn kingdom and king:
The Roman papacy, governed by Gelasius I when the first of the three kings, Odoacer of the Heruli, was overthrown.

Three kings were overthrown: Odoacer of the Heruli, Teia of the Ostrogoths, Gelimer of the Vandals.

jgr · Apr 22, 2021

Douggg said:
God is my source.

Whose Source do you think was that of the historical defenders of the true faith?

jgr · Apr 22, 2021

Douggg said:
James 5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

Genesis 49:1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.

Is Hebrews 1:2 an error or a lie?

Oseas · Apr 22, 2021

Douggg said:
It could, and is likely that the 70th week will at least start before the end of 2030.

Yes, as I said, the 70th week fits in the current decade, it means that from 2020 to 2030, you can choose the year you want the 70th week to start, as long as it does not exceed the limit of the decade-2030.

Get ready

mkgal1 · Apr 22, 2021

Douggg said:
There is a gap between the messiah's arrival in Jerusalem - and the beginning of the 70th week.

In that gap,

Nope. There's NO gap. Time doesn't halt or even pause.

Douggg · Apr 22, 2021

mkgal1 said:
Nope. There's NO gap. Time doesn't halt or even pause.

Not talking about time absolute, but time assigned.

Douggg · Apr 22, 2021

jgr said:
Is Hebrews 1:2 an error or a lie?

Last days is in all three of those scriptural passages.

Maybe you should go back and see how the reformers reconciled them, referencing those three passages.
And report back to us.

Douggg · Apr 22, 2021

jgr said:
Whose Source do you think was that of the historical defenders of the true faith?

popular synergies grown out of the persecution at the time.

jgr · Apr 22, 2021

Douggg said:
Last days is in all three of those scriptural passages.

Maybe you should go back and see how the reformers reconciled them, referencing those three passages.
And report back to us.

Yes they are.

And Hebrews 1:2 tells us when they began.

So does 1 Corinthians 10:11:

Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Note "our" and "are" -- present reality and tense when written.

First report to us why you disagree with those Scriptures.

jgr · Apr 22, 2021

Douggg said:
popular synergies grown out of the persecution at the time.

It is long and well demonstrated that the true Church strengthened during persecution as the saints called and relied solely upon God for strength and endurance in their tribulations.

So you think God was a "popular synergy"?

Oseas · Apr 22, 2021

jgr said:
Daniel 7:8

Little horn kingdom and king:
The Roman papacy, governed by Gelasius I when the first of the three kings, Odoacer of the Heruli, was overthrown.

Three kings were overthrown: Odoacer of the Heruli, Teia of the Ostrogoths, Gelimer of the Vandals.

Oh no, what you wrote is not true. You are showing that you are a follower of the storytellers, and what they write have nothing to do with the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD.

Here goes what is really true. The Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand?

Daniel 8:v.9-11

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary (the God's Temple) was cast down.

Daniel 8:v.11 says: - 11 Yea, he (the little horn, by his satanic mouth) magnified himself (magnified as God) even to the prince of the host (it is Michael-Revelation 12:v.7), and by him (by the Jewish false messiah-the little horn) the daily sacrifice was taken away,
and the place of the sanctuary (place of the Temple of the pleasant land)
was cast down.

The storytellers in which you believe have not the Spirit of GOD to be able to speak of GOD's Truth.

jgr · Apr 22, 2021

Oseas said:
Oh no, what you wrote is not true. You are showing that you are a follower of the storytellers, and what they write have nothing to do with the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD.

Here goes what is really true. The Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand?

Daniel 8:v.9-11

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary (the God's Temple) was cast down.

Daniel 8:v.11 says: - 11 Yea, he (the little horn, by his satanic mouth) magnified himself (magnified as God) even to the prince of the host (it is Michael-Revelation 12:v.7), and by him (by the Jewish false messiah-the little horn) the daily sacrifice was taken away,
and the place of the sanctuary (place of the Temple of the pleasant land)
was cast down.

The storytellers in which you believe have not the Spirit of GOD to be able to speak of GOD's Truth.

I've provided the name of the little horn as revealed in Scriptural historical fulfillment.

If you believe that fantasy futurism is superior to fulfilled historicism, then you should be able to provide the name of the future little horn.

Who is he? What is his name?

Douggg · Apr 22, 2021

jgr said:
Yes they are.

And Hebrews 1:2 tells us when they began.

So does 1 Corinthians 10:11:

Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Note "our" and "are" -- present reality and tense when written.

First report to us why you disagree with those Scriptures.

What? You bring up scriptures, and cite the reformers as experts on the end times, and then when faced with other scriptures that have "last days" in them - you don't quote the reformers?

In all three scriptures, the persons using the term "last days" were either giving prophecies or were aware that certain things were supposed to happen in the "last days" and saw some of those things happening even in their day.

1John2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Douggg · Apr 22, 2021

jgr said:
If you believe that fantasy futurism is superior to fulfilled historicism, then you should be able to provide the name of the future little horn.

Who is he? What is his name?

No one knows who the person is yet because he has not been made manifest.

jgr · Apr 22, 2021

Douggg said:
What? You bring up scriptures, and cite the reformers as experts on the end times, and then when faced with other scriptures that have "last days" in them - you don't quote the reformers?

In all three scriptures, the persons using the term "last days" were either giving prophecies or were aware that certain things were supposed to happen in the "last days" and saw some of those things happening even in their day.

1John2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Thanks for 1 John 2:18; I'll remember to add it to the other two Scriptures.

jgr · Apr 22, 2021

Douggg said:
No one knows who the person is yet because he has not been made manifest.

History knows his name.

Fantasy doesn't.

Douggg · Apr 22, 2021

jgr said:
Thanks for 1 John 2:18; I'll remember to add it to the other two Scriptures.

After you do that, go to Ezekiel 38 v8 v16, the latter days, latter years. Gog/Magog. And the infallible timeline framework in Ezekiel 39 for end times events. Add those as well, in digesting all the information.

Douggg · Apr 22, 2021

jgr said:
History knows his name.

Fantasy doesn't.

calling it fantasy is not going to change anything, jgr.

Oseas gets a little bit of a pass, from me, in his wording because he is 84 years old and English is not his prime language.

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