WHAT IS THE REAL GOSPEL?

HIM said:

Please show Scripture where the word of God says the Ten are negative.

Actually all the law and prophets hang on , depend on love for God and our fellow man.

Matt 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

You mixed 2 verses together and try to change what Jesus said in Matthew. The context of the passages are different, they can not be mixed. Paul is only talking about our Love for our neighbor and the fruits of it. He does not go into our love for God in Romans 13.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
The Spirit says God spoke of the Seventh Day and He speaks of it again if we shall enter into His rest, which is the Gospel

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this again (He speaks), If they shall enter into my rest.

How does He speak of it?

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a Sabbath rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest (through the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

The word "also" denotes two things The verse says He that has, is experiencing His rest, the one God offers through Christ, He, they also cease from their own works as God did from His.
The word "as" denotes a direct comparison. God is not experiencing the Gospel as we do. We who are experiencing the Gospel and the rest which it offers also cease from our own works as God did from His. AS GOD DID. God ceased from physical work on the Seventh Day. So we as He cease from physical work. Because this again HE SPEAKS

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chad kincham said:

That’s wrong, but I’m not going to spend hours trying to straighten you out.

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If you have nothing in respect to what was shown that is what you should have said. Otherwise Prove the objective facts shared wrong within the passages shared and we will recant.

The covenant given on mount Sinai is slavery and bondage - Galatians 4:21-31. If you can’t grasp that, you are oblivious.

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First off you can't disprove a text by going to another letter to say that the one text does not say what it says. You must prove passage's intent with in the passage or the context of the passage.

Galatians is a big letter with a lot of Meat. It tells us quite a bit. Care to share how how chapter four fits into context to these surrounding passages?

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed into Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

The ten commands bring death, and are replaced by the law of the spirit, which brings life. 2 Corinthians ch. 3.

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The ministration of it brought death. Outward observance avails nothing. It must come from the heart. This is the new ministration. Not on tables of stone but in the fleshly tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward. For God has said I will put my laws into their hearts and into their minds write them.

It is written. The Word is in our hearts and in our mouth, that is the word of Faith in which we preach. Christ in us the Hope of Glory. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. For it is a certain that in Him we live move and have our being...Amen

2Cor 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Cor 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Cor 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
2Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Cor 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Cor 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Cor 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Cor 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Cor 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

LoveGodsWord said:

It was never God's will that mankind would disobey God's Word and eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God told man not to eat of the tree but when Eve spoke to the devil in the guise of a serpent she was deceived and ate of the fruit and gave it to her husband to eat and he ate of it. *Genesis 3:1-13. After mankind had fallen according to the scriptures God said in Genesis 3:22 "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever". According to the scriptures in the new covenant it is through God's 10 commandments that we know what is good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) is according to the scriptures in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172.

No. Jesus says it in Matthew 9:12-13 where he says; [12], But when Jesus heard that, he said to them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. [13], But go you and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. What do you think these scriptures mean?

Hope this is helpful

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No, not helpful.

God did not want them to eat, He does not want us to eat.

God did not want them to have the knowledge, He does not want us to have the knowledge.

God does not change His mind like that.

imge said:

What does this mean to you? Are you free to lie, steal, worship idols, vain His name and Sabbath? Doing these things frees you and you’re in God’s Spirit? If you have God’s Spirit you will obey His laws not break them.

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The two love commands replaced the Decalogue.

It’s obvious if you love your neighbor as yourself you won’t steal from him, lie against him, kill him, or harm him in any way, and if you love God with all your heart you won’t worship idols or take His name in vain.

The ten commands are the ministry of death, of condemnation, and is the letter that kills, that has passed away, replaced by the law of the Spirit, that gives life. 2 Corinthians ch. 3.

The entire covenant given on Mount Sinai is bondage and slavery. Galatians 4:21-31

HIM said:

If you have nothing in respect to what was shown that is what you should have said. Otherwise Prove the objective facts shared wrong within the passages shared and we will recant.

First off you can't disprove a text by going to another letter to say that the one text does not say what it says. You must prove passage's intent with in the passage or the context of the passage.

Galatians is a big letter with a lot of Meat. It tells us quite a bit. Care to share how how chapter four fits into context to these surrounding passages?

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed into Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.


The ministration of it brought death. Outward observance avails nothing. It must come from the heart. This is the new ministration. Not on tables of stone but in the fleshly tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward. For God has said I will put my laws into their hearts and into their minds write them.

It is written. The Word is in our hearts and in our mouth, that is the word of Faith in which we preach. Christ in us the Hope of Glory. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. For it is a certain that in Him we live move and have our being...Amen

2Cor 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Cor 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Cor 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
2Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Cor 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Cor 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Cor 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Cor 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Cor 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

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The entire book of Galatians has one theme: we are not under the law of Moses any longer.

Before faith came, we were under the law.

The law was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, so we can now be justified by faith.

Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

That’s very clear.

The entire old covenant has ended, and with it the law of Moses, and the Decalogue.

The ten commands are the letter that kills because the penalty for breaking it is death. If the ten were still in effect, the penalty of death by stoning would also still be in effect.

That makes them negative commands - keep them or die.
They are kept out of fear of punishment.

The two love commands are positive commands, kept out of love.

chad kincham said:

The two love commands replaced the Decalogue.


The entire covenant given on Mount Sinai is bondage and slavery. Galatians 4:21-31

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Agree, it’s also the knowledge of sin.

It was brought in to increase the trespass - to point us away from ourselves and toward God.

As you point out, the law kept the nation of Israel in slavery, under a guardian, so that through them The One to free them would be revealed - for Faith.

The New Covenant is through Faith.

God you are so good! We praise You in Your Son and lift Your name up. For you have given us all things that pertain to life and godliness. Thank you for not leaving us or forsaking us.

chad kincham said:

The two love commands replaced the Decalogue.

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The word of God does not say that. We dare not add to the word of God. It says that they hang not that they are replaced by them.

Matt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Matt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Matt 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

If something is hung on something it is still there. It depends on the thing it is hung on for support and to function properly. It is not replaced, it is still there. As a matter fact it can't go any where either because it is hung there.

It’s obvious if you love your neighbor as yourself you won’t steal from him, lie against him, kill him, or harm him in any way, and if you love God with all your heart you won’t worship idols or take His name in vain.

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Amen

Nathan@work said:

Agree, it’s also the knowledge of sin.

It was brought in to increase the trespass - to point us away from ourselves and toward God.

As you point out, the law kept the nation of Israel in slavery, under a guardian, so that through them The One to free them would be revealed - for Faith.

The New Covenant is through Faith.

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Faith that God has put His commandments, His Laws in our hearts and minds. That His word is nigh unto us. In our hearts and mouths. This is the faith in which we speak.

So why try to take out or not accept what he has placed there?

chad kincham said:

The entire book of Galatians has one theme: we are not under the law of Moses any longer.

Before faith came, we were under the law.

The law was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, so we can now be justified by faith.

Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

That’s very clear.

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Justification, is rendered or seen to be righteous. 1 jo 3:7 says, "Little children let no man deceive you, He that does righteousness is righteous even as he is righteous."
"Even as" is a direct comparison. That direct comparison is to Jesus. How was Jesus righteous?


How can we be found sinners, make ourselves transgressors if the Decalogue and the laws contained in the Law of Moses pertaining to morality have been done away with. Remember now the context of being a transgressing sinner in Gal 2:16-20 is being said in respect to the Law.

It is interesting to note and very worthy to mention, that we are dead to the Law. But if we are found sinning transgressors are we? Have the the things been destroyed? Are we dead to the Law?
And what does it mean to be dead to the Law?

In respect to that Paul writes in relation to us all, we are dead nevertheless we live, yet not us, but Christ lives in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith of the Son of God who gave himself for us.
Gal 2:16 says We must believe INTO Christ that we might be justified, made righteous, live out of the faith of Christ. We who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. We are all one in Christ Jesus chapter 3 verse 27 and 28 say. There is no need for the Law because we are living through Him. His law, His commandments, His Word are who we are through him.

David the beloved wrote of himself, us and Christ in Ps 40:6-8. How do we know he wrote it of himself and us? Because it was written in the first person, David was speaking of himself. And if David being a man as we can say it so can we. He said, "Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart."

Interestingly enough, to further this point these text are quoted in Hebrews 10 in the context of quoting the New Covenant. Please follow along. Notice verse 5 is in reference to Jesus, then in verse 7 the writer of Hebrew speaks in the first person like David the beloved did. He says as we, "we come in the volume of the Book it is written of us, to do Your will O God" Then the kicker, God says, "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."

And how were we that are sanctified perfected? God answer that in the very next verses. He says the, "Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them."

So how can that which was written of us, that which has become part of us not be?
We are dead to it because through Christ we are now living it. They that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts Gal 5:24 says. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit then. There is no longer a need for a law, something to tell us what to do. Because that which was written of us, the schoolmaster; to do the will of God has become part of us. For He has perfected forever them that are sanctified. For we are dead and the life we now live is by the faith of Christ. His Word in in our heart and mouth. That is the Faith in which we speak. Rom 10:8


Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;


Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but through the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed into Jesus Christ, that we might be justified out of the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us INTO Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God through the faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

LoveGodsWord said:

Your response...

No. Jesus says it in Matthew 9:12-13 where he says; [12], But when Jesus heard that, he said to them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. [13], But go you and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. What do you think these scriptures mean?

Your response...

Perhaps we should slow it down a little. What do you think my posts are saying to you and what do you think Matthew 9:12-13 or Galatians 3:22-25; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 or James 2:10-11 all mean?

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I’m not going to even read your message because right off the bat you quote a different message of yours combined with a reply to another message of mine.

Your twisting my words. Good thing is, you cannot change my posts so everyone else can see how you twist it.

Maybe you do all of this by accident. If so, do you not also suppose that you do the same with Bible passages?

HIM said:

Faith that God has put His commandments, His Laws in our hearts and minds. That His word is nigh unto us. In our hearts and mouths. This is the faith in which we speak.

So why try to take out or not accept what he has placed there?

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It would be impossible to take the law out of Christ, or to accept Christ and not the law. So I’m not sure what you are speaking of with your question?

Faith is not that God has put His laws in our heart, Faith is that God has put us in Christ.

In Christ His laws are kept perfect, in us they are not kept perfect.

Faith is us following Him, by the leading of His Spirit. Faith is not us following our own thoughts on what His law means.

Galatians 5:16-18 (ESV) But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

The flesh is opposed to Faith. The flesh says ‘here is the law, I can see it, I can hear it, I can touch it’.

Faith say, ‘I will listen to Him, look to Him, touch Him’. Faith is on the living, not the dead.

Abraham had Faith before circumcision. We are given Faith before God circumcises our heart. The law, placed on our Heart, is none other than Christ - not a law written in stone.

I think we forget here that the Gospel is good news to those who are perishing.

There are other things that are good news to some, but only those who know their need for Christ see Him as the Gospel.

Luke 5:31 (ESV)
And Jesus answered them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.

People who see the law as their righteousness are not looking for a physician.

@LoveGodsWord if you go back and look through the posts they will show you where you went off in our conversation.

At this point, it is 'pointless' to backtrack. You can do it if you would like.

God's commandments - regardless if they are written on stone, paper, or the very creation itself - tell us our need for Christ.

The Gospel tells us who Christ is.

Christ tells us who God is.

There is a reason it's called the Gospel of the Kingdom.

The Bible is preparing us for heavenly citizenship. Sin will be absent. Sin is transgression of the law of God. Heaven is a place of righteousness and harmony with the will of God. It's why we are called to such a high standard, because we are literally taking on heavenly attributes through our Christian walk.

If one dismisses the law in this life, they will not obey the law in the next; they will forfeit their inheritance by their worldly claims. It boggles my mind that Christians can't see this.

Freth said:

There is a reason it's called the Gospel of the Kingdom.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
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The Bible is preparing us for heavenly citizenship. Sin will be absent. Sin is transgression of the law of God. Heaven is a place of righteousness and harmony with the will of God. It's why we are called to such a high standard, because we are literally taking on heavenly attributes through our Christian walk.

If one dismisses the law in this life, they will not obey the law in the next; they will forfeit their inheritance by their worldly claims. It boggles my mind that Christians can't see this.

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No one in Christ dismisses the law. It is impossible. The Spirit He has given us will not let it be so.

There are many, however, who dismiss the Spirit in favor of their view of the law.

The Gospel is about Christ, not the law. If one dismisses Christ in this life he will not ever have life.

The law doesn’t give life, Christ does.