BLM and ANTIFA protests....

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I've witnessed multiple BLM protests and Trump rallies that remained peaceful, but what happened in the summer of 2020 and January 6th at the Capitol has over shadowed those peaceful protests and rallies and the news media mainly focuses only on the violence. If I didn't know any better, I would believe that the main goal of the news media is to keep people paranoid, angry and afraid.

Jeffrey Dahmer killed 17 people -- nobody ever talks about the hundreds, maybe thousands, of people in his life he didn't kill.
 
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I would say that windows being broken is a far different thing than the VP almost being assassinated because of the rioters a president encouraged to attack our Capitol. But maybe that's just me.
The VP almost being assassinated; are you kidding me??? Do you really believe her life was ever in danger? And is this the same Kamala Harris who encouraged her followers and raised money to bail out violent rioters so they can return to the streets and riot, assault, and even kill some more? If you expect me to shed any tears for this woman who got a slight taste of the type carnage her contribution imposed on others…. sorry it ain’t gonna happen; I say justice served.
Windows can be replaced. Black lives - and the lives of elected officials, regardless of their party affiliation - cannot.
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Broken windows? Tell that to business owners in Seattle who had their business burned down while the cops not allowed to stop it. Tell that to Aaron Jay Danielson who was hunted down, and shot in the streets of Portland because he was a part of a prayer group that supported Trump. Tell that to the countless people who died during those BLM/Antifa riots; their lives cannot be replaced either. You can’t compare 9 months of rioting, looting, and killing to 2 hours of over running a federal building, then leaving without further incident.
 
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The VP almost being assassinated; are you kidding me??? Do you really believe her life was ever in danger? And is this the same Kamala Harris who encouraged her followers and raised money to bail out violent rioters so they can return to the streets and riot, assault, and even kill some more? If you expect me to shed any tears for this woman who got a slight taste of the type carnage her contribution imposed on others…. sorry it ain’t gonna happen; I say justice served.

I believe he was talking about Mike Pence.
 
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Also, numbers CLEARLY show that, infact, yes 93% of protests were peaceful. I'll call that "nearly all"
Said from a person who was not a victim of the protests. When you consider the thousands of protests that happened all over the country everyday, 7% is too many.
OF course you didn't. If you did, it'd be pretty clear that you were bearing false witness.
How do you know this? You have no idea how I would have described the BLM narrative. Perhaps had you described the Trump narrative, you would be bearing false witness.
 
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Said from a person who was not a victim of the protests. When you consider the thousands of protests that happened all over the country everyday, 7% is too many.
What about the issues that led to the protests?
Do they go away because 7% of the protests got out of hand?

That’d be a boon to law enforcement!
Trouble for roughing up suspects?

Just do more violence at the resultant protests to make sure that they can say, “see? They’re violent, you’re lucky that we’re here!”
 
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Said from a person who was not a victim of the protests. When you consider the thousands of protests that happened all over the country everyday, 7% is too many.

. Perhaps had you described the Trump narrative, you would be bearing false witness.
it was in the papers. He blasted it from his mouth Evry chance he got.

.How do you know this? You have no idea how I would have described the BLM narrative
I can take a pretty good educated guess since you stated

. “Nearly all Police encounters with black people do not result in them killed despite the narrative from BLM
when you use the phrase "despite the narrative from BLM" you imply their narrative; implying it is the opposite of what you stated. And if you're going to ask me to further spell it out so you can righteously accuse me of putting words in your mouth I'll just take a pass.
 
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What about the issues that led to the protests?
Do they go away because 7% of the protests got out of hand?
How about protesting WITHOUT rioting? How about peaceful protesters calling out the people who show up to riot, and point them out to the cops? How about stop trying to justify hurting someone else because you perceive misconduct of the Police? How about if we condemn bad protesters and bad cops.
Let’s start with that.
 
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I can take a pretty good educated guess since you stated

when you use the phrase "despite the narrative from BLM" you imply their narrative; implying it is the opposite of what you stated.
No I don't. Let's say hypothetically that I claim the BLM narrative is something vague like too many black people are being killed by the Police. My response would be perfectly reasonable were this my view of their narrative
 
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How about protesting WITHOUT rioting? How about peaceful protesters calling out the people who show up to riot, and point them out to the cops? How about stop trying to justify hurting someone else because you perceive misconduct of the Police? How about if we condemn bad protesters and bad cops.
Let’s start with that.

Who isn't doing that? I've yet to hear anyone claiming violent protesters are good, or that we need more bad cops. On the other hand, BLM members have repeatedly condemned and denounced violence at their rallies.

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politician who has spoken about the riots, on both sides of the aisle, has condemned the violence, none have supported or encouraged it.

-- A2SG, compare that to the response of elected officials to the Jan. 6 insurrection and you'll see a marked difference.....
 
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Who isn't doing that? I've yet to hear anyone claiming violent protesters are good, or that we need more bad cops. On the other hand, BLM members have repeatedly condemned and denounced violence at their rallies.

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politician who has spoken about the riots, on both sides of the aisle, has condemned the violence, none have supported or encouraged it.

-- A2SG, compare that to the response of elected officials to the Jan. 6 insurrection and you'll see a marked difference.....
They don't necessarily condone it, or even encourage it; they will often down play, or even try to justify it. Plenty of politicians in my state have done this; calling them "uprisings" or other terms that down play the violence instead of calling them riots. And it isn't only politicians, the media (that has more influence than politicians) are guilty of this as well;
Below is a link of some examples I'm talking about
Here’s A List Of Media And Politicians Who Downplayed Violence And Looting
 
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They don't necessarily condone it, or even encourage it; they will often down play, or even try to justify it. Plenty of politicians in my state have done this; calling them "uprisings" or other terms that down play the violence instead of calling them riots. And it isn't only politicians, the media (that has more influence than politicians) are guilty of this as well;
Below is a link of some examples I'm talking about
Here’s A List Of Media And Politicians Who Downplayed Violence And Looting

"Uprising" sounds like a pretty violent description of an event to me.
 
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They don't necessarily condone it, or even encourage it; they will often down play, or even try to justify it. Plenty of politicians in my state have done this; calling them "uprisings" or other terms that down play the violence instead of calling them riots. And it isn't only politicians, the media (that has more influence than politicians) are guilty of this as well;
Below is a link of some examples I'm talking about
Here’s A List Of Media And Politicians Who Downplayed Violence And Looting

And, despite the fact that the vast majority of protests are peaceful, many on the right have overstated the violence, making it sound like every one is a warzone. Even as they downplay the violence on Jan. 6.

Seems to me, there's plenty of exaggeration to go around.

Though, I can't recall if any elected or appointed government officials participated in violent acts during any BLM protest.

-- A2SG, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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The VP almost being assassinated; are you kidding me??? Do you really believe her life was ever in danger? And is this the same Kamala Harris who encouraged her followers and raised money to bail out violent rioters so they can return to the streets and riot, assault, and even kill some more? If you expect me to shed any tears for this woman who got a slight taste of the type carnage her contribution imposed on others…. sorry it ain’t gonna happen; I say justice served.

I was talking about Mike Pence: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/15/dc-capitol-rioters-nearly-reached-vice-president-mike-pence.html

Interesting that despite not liking him, I care more about Pence than you seem to.

Broken windows? Tell that to business owners in Seattle who had their business burned down while the cops not allowed to stop it. Tell that to Aaron Jay Danielson who was hunted down, and shot in the streets of Portland because he was a part of a prayer group that supported Trump. Tell that to the countless people who died during those BLM/Antifa riots; their lives cannot be replaced either. You can’t compare 9 months of rioting, looting, and killing to 2 hours of over running a federal building, then leaving without further incident.

Windows can be replaced. Black lives cannot.

Windows being broken is also very much not the same thing as rushing the US Capitol. So I'll turn your own question back to you: are you kidding me?
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According to the FBI, of all the rioters that stormed the Capital bldg, none of them had guns. Yeah; some had flag poles, and sticks that could be used as weapons, but other than that they were basically unarmed. Had they ran into the secret service that was surrounding the VP, they would have run into machine gun fire. I don’t care how big of a stick, or long of a flag pole they may have had, they wouldn’t have stood a chance against machine guns fire.
Interesting that despite not liking him, I care more about Pence than you seem to.
Why does it surprise you that you like the guy more than I?
Windows being broken is also very much not the same thing as rushing the US Capitol. So I'll turn your own question back to you: are you kidding me?
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I ain’t talking about breaking windows, I’m talking about people dead. Address that!
 
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According to the FBI, of all the rioters that stormed the Capital bldg, none of them had guns. Yeah; some had flag poles, and sticks that could be used as weapons, but other than that they were basically unarmed. Had they ran into the secret service that was surrounding the VP, they would have run into machine gun fire. I don’t care how big of a stick, or long of a flag pole they may have had, they wouldn’t have stood a chance against machine guns fire.

So what?

The fact that they breached the Capitol at all is an indictment of Trumpism. Why are you defending them?

Why does it surprise you that you like the guy more than I?

Reading comprehension is helpful. I said I didn't especially like Pence, but I don't want to see him merc'd by angry Q-anoners either.

I ain’t talking about breaking windows, I’m talking about people dead. Address that!

George Floyd is a big reason why BLM protests are happening. Hope this helps!
Ringo
 
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And, despite the fact that the vast majority of protests are peaceful, many on the right have overstated the violence, making it sound like every one is a warzone. Even as they downplay the violence on Jan. 6.
In some cities, it was a war zone. There were protests going on all over the country (and the world) but in a few choice cities (my city included), there were far more violent protests than peaceful ones, these are the cities that get the most media attention. In my city, Mayor and city council allowed the rioters to secure 6 blocks of the city for themselves to do as they pleased without police intervention; they called this area CHAZ. Though the media didn’t report enough of it IMO there were reports of people living and doing business in the area being forced to pay a fee to CHAZ (armed) security just to go to their homes, or their place of business. There were reports of rapes, beatings by CHAZ security, and only when CHAZ security began killing too many people did the mayor allow the police to take the area back.
Now to compare that to a bunch of unarmed knuckleheads storming the capital building, then leaving peacefully once inside.
Seems to me, there's plenty of exaggeration to go around.

Though, I can't recall if any elected or appointed government officials participated in violent acts during any BLM protest....
I can only speak for my city, not the others; (but I suspect the same thing happened in other cities as well) but when the politicians running the city forced the Police to step back and allow the rioters to take over, this did far more to encourage rioting, killing, and mayhem, than anything they could have done had they been directly involved.
 
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So what?

The fact that they breached the Capitol at all is an indictment of Trumpism. Why are you defending them?
This conversation has nothing to do with an indictment of Trumpism, it's about whether or not the VP's life was ever in danger. I'm pointing out that it was not
George Floyd is a big reason why BLM protests are happening. Hope this helps!
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George Floyd happened in Minneapolis. To protest the Minneapolis police department I understand. But why all the other cities? Police departments in the other cities had nothing to do with George Floyd's death.
 
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This conversation has nothing to do with an indictment of Trumpism, it's about whether or not the VP's life was ever in danger. I'm pointing out that it was not

It's about both, and you've been proven wrong on both counts.

George Floyd happened in Minneapolis. To protest the Minneapolis police department I understand. But why all the other cities? Police departments in the other cities had nothing to do with George Floyd's death.

Because as I tried to explain to you many times already: policing in this country is a system, and the same sort of racism that got Floyd killed in Minneapolis is the same sort of racism that happened Rodney King in LA, happened to Trayvon Martin, etc etc etc.
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It's about both, and you've been proven wrong on both counts.
According to the Secret Service, I'm right, and you are wrong.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/15/dc-capitol-rioters-nearly-reached-vice-president-mike-pence.html
Because as I tried to explain to you many times already: policing in this country is a system, and the same sort of racism that got Floyd killed in Minneapolis is the same sort of racism that happened Rodney King in LA, happened to Trayvon Martin, etc etc etc.
Ringo
You keep bringing up this refuted claim that all police departments are under a single system. Judging from your claims it appears have no clue how policing works in this country.
BTW Trayvon Martin was not killed by police
 
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