The Rapture theory is true?

iamlamad said:

Do you have trouble understanding verses 6 thought 8? Let's go over them:
6 And you know what currently restrains him, so that he will be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way, 8 and then the lawless one will be revealed. The Lord Jesus will destroy him with the breath of His mouth and will bring him to nothing with the brightness of His coming.

verse 6: "and now you know who currently is restraining..." Why would Paul write that? It is simple: He just TOLD the reader, but did it in away one must study to get it.Do you KNOW who the restrainer is...?

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Who is He who now do not let the MAN of sin, SON of perdition, a former Cherub, be manifested among his own people, and before all the nations, before the whole Gentile world?

The MAN of sin, son of perdition, he was already born decades ago, do not you know this yet? Do not think that he will be born yet, if so, it is because your master is blind EVIDENTLY.

Even him, the MAN Beast of the earth, who will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as GOD will sit -be enthroned- in the temple of God -in Jerusalem- , shewing himself that he is God?

Again: Who is he who now do not let the MAN of sin, SON of perdition, a former Cherub, be manifested among his own people, and before all the whole Gentile world? The complete Jewish Bible says he is at work secretly, in other words-KJV-, "the mystery of iniquity doth already work", " but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining him is out of the way"- CJB.
There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in One. The blood is the blood of JESUS that was shed on the cross; the blood of JESUS is the millennial sacrifice of JESUS on the cross that REMAINS until the current time for salvation of souls, AND WILL REMAIN until it BE TAKEN AWAY NOT SO FAR FROM THESE DAYS. For GOD, even GOD, will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie, believe in the MAN Beast of sin, son of perdition, that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth -believed not in JESUS-, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Then the MAN Beast of the earth, the MAN of sin, the son of perdition will manifest himself, and the abomination of desolation set up or is instituted, or is established in Jerusalem, called spiritually Sodom and Egypt.

Be careful or get ready

Biblewriter said:

I have conclusively proved that in ancient Greek, this word was used in regard to a departure from a place. Now you are alleging, without an atom of evidence, that in a particular period it was never used in that sense. But THAT is a claim that you not only HAVE not proved, but you CAN not prove. For to prove it was NEVER used in that sense, you would have to examine every text that was written during that period, and listen to every conversation from that period.

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Adam departed from the Garden and God’s presence. The whole human race fell into sin. They are both examples of the same issue. Departing is deliberate. Falling "away from" may not be a choice, but a condition of circumstances.

In Romans 1, we see that because of the hardness of humanity, God gave them up, to the point they lost the ability to choose. Many humans deliberately choose their own way, thinking they have God’s blessing and peace, when the truth, it is just the opposite. That is the apostate condition that is the worse. That is what departing is. Falling away, can be overcome by repentance. One who departs, may never see the need to repent, yet such can be repented of, most will never see the need to change their stance.

Departing to heaven is an extreme interpretation of 2 Thessalonians 2. We can not deliberately leave earth for Paradise. Sure we could die at our own hand, but that is not advisable for many reasons. One can still depart from the faith and think they have God’s blessing, yet in worse condition than sending one's soul to Paradise.

iamlamad said:

It is no mistake that God showed John the just raptured church already in heaven in Rev. 7 - before any part of the 70th week begins.

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Christ's coming will be preceded by strong and gigantic manifestations of Antichrist by/through a powerful Jewish man, the man doomed to perdition, a former Cherub, a former ruler of God's Garden, now the red Dragon, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, father of the Jews, as said JESUS-John 8:44.

Get ready, yeah, get ready, and do not believe in cunning devised fable like the theory of a supposed and false rapture, based in the dream of a prophetess called Margareth, by which you are dreaming will desappear out of the earth before the last week, this is false, this is a lie, it is satanic, teachings of demons based in devilish dreams according is preached among God's people, it's apostasy.

Everything that is not true will be burned with eternal fire, and to those who sowed the lie, the punishment is inevitable. Revelation 21:v.8 - 8 But the fearful (the cowards), and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

iamlamad said:

We do agree that "the Word" is God.

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JESUS left clear: No man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.

JulieB67 said:

it was never used as a physical departure but as a departure from a religious or political stance. And it certainly means that in context of what Paul is trying to tell us in that chapter in regards of people not accepting the love of the "truth". Context is so important. E

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TRUE.

keras said:

A belief that contradicts much scripture and opposes Gods plans for His faithful people.
Did the early Christians get 'raptured'? No; and still today people are killed for their Christian faith.
God is not going to change the allowing of His people to be martyred. Proved by Revelation 6:9-11, where the souls of those killed before have to wait until their number is completed. Right up until the Return of Jesus.

The 'rapture to heaven' of the Church is a Satanically inspired fable and those who believe it are under serious deception.

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TRUE.

JulieB67 said:

There's a fake christ that eventually will be on the horizon. He comes before Christ. If you don't want to accept the truth of that you are in danger of "falling away" to the fake one. The warnings Christ and Paul are very serious. "Falling away" means defection from the truth. These are Christian people because they obviously once had the truth but will fall away from that. Unsaved people having nothing to fall away from.

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TRUE. You should quote the letter of Paul Apostle to Timothy to give support to you words -2Timothy 4:v.3-4. Allow me to do this:

verse 3 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
verse 4 - And they shall turn away their ears from the Truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The current spiritual environment within Christianity is as the Devil likes, full of apostasies, and idolatries, and doctrines of demons-1Timothy 4:v.1-2-, and multitudes have turned away their ears from the Truth and turned unto fables as Paul said to Timothy. So, Christianity remains fully propitious for the manifestation in the earth -i.e. in Israel - of the MAN Beast of the earth- the false messiah -that has two horns like a lamb, but this MAN Beast speaks like a Dragon-Revelation 13:v.11.

JulieB67 said:

There's a fake christ that eventually will be on the horizon. He comes before Christ. If you don't want to accept the truth of that you are in danger of "falling away" to the fake one.

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Yes, you are right. JESUS said to the Jews: John 5:v.43-47

verse 43 - I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if ANOTHER shall come in his own name (Revelation 13:v.11)-, him ye will receive. (Comments: Actually AN IMPOSTOR, a false lamb who has two horns, symbol of the two kingdoms of Israel, in fact a ruthless false messiah, an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist false messiah, who will be the head of the esoteric Judaism, as soon as he manifest himself, and he speaks or will speak as Dragon.
Then, there will be TWO Beasts MEN in the world, i.e. the current MAN Beast of sea-Revelation 13:v.1-10- , and the MAN Beast who will rise up from the earth -Israel- he will manifest himself very soon-Revelation 13:v.11-18- , for he was already born decades ago).

verse 44 - How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

The false lamb, the false messiah(John 5:v.43), he is a Jewish man, he is from one of the 10 tribes of Israel, it may be from the tribe of Dan as prophesied Jacob -Genesis:49:v.16-17. By the way, the tribe of Dan is not mentioned in Revelation 7.

The false messiah will still rise up from the earth-Israel-in the very near future, exactly from one of the ten (10) tribes of Israel-the clay, the dry land- Isaiah 64:v.8. Actually the 10 kings, symbol of the 10 tribes of Israel-Revelation 17:v.12- i.e. the 10 tribes are the ten horns which have received no kingdom as yet; but will receive power AS KINGS one hour (1.260 days) with the Beast of sea-Revelation 13:v.2, exactly when the false messiah, the main ruler of Israel in the period of the last week-Daniel 9:v.27, gives to the Beast of sea his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority - Rev.13:v.2. Check it out. 13 These 10 horns-10 kings or 10 tribes precisely, - they will have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the Beast-the Beast of sea.

Revelation 11:v.1-2
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the Holy City shall they tread under foot forty and two months. - 1.260 days - exactly when the false messiah, the main ruler of Israel in the period of the last week-Daniel 9:v.27, gives to the Beast of sea his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority - Rev.13:v.2. Check it out

- The FIRST half of the week - Dan. 9:v.27, will be ruled by the MAN Beast of sea, and as soon as ends this FIRST period of 1260 days (FIRST half of the last week), will be established the Abomination of Desolation until the END of the period of 1290 days, i.e. the second half of the week, through the rule of the MAN Beast of the earth-Revelation 13:v.11-18.

Daniel 12:v.12 - 12 Blessed is he that waits, and comes to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Why is blessed he who waits and comes to the glorious, ineffable, unspeakable DAY 1,335?

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection

Amen.

Oseas said:

verse 3 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
verse 4 - And they shall turn away their ears from the Truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

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Yes, I agree. This definitely goes hand in hand with the "falling away" from the truth that Paul is teaching about.

JulieB67 said:

Yes, I agree. This definitely goes hand in hand with the "falling away" from the truth that Paul is teaching about.

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Yes. What prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD.

JESUS said: John 17:v.1 and 15-17 and 21-26

1- These words spake Jesus, and lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them through thy Truth: thy Word is Truth.


21 That they all may be One; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be One in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be One, even as we are One:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in One; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. Revelation 4:v.1- After this I looked, and,
behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Amen

Praised be our Lord GOD, Lord Jesus Christ.

What prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD.

1 Corinthians 15:v.24-27

24 The END cometh, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when He saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

Revelation 11:v.15 and 18-
15 - The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

18 And the nations were (will be) angry, ...

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02-21-2021 is the FIFTY-SECOND DAY of the LAST DECADE of the Devil's world.

The LAST WEEK - Daniel 9:v.27 - is within of this LAST DECADE.

Be careful and get ready

In Christ JESUS, KING of kings(kings made by Him) and LORD of lords
Fellow in Christ
Oseas

Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, ... Luke 13:v.24-25

Paul spoke of "sleepers" and was going to explain the concept in 1 Thess 4:13. Then in 1 Thess 5:6 tells them not to fall "asleep".

The Rapture theory is unscriptural for one main reason. People assume that the word “sleep” means “death” since the word “sleep” is used to represent “death” in other parts of scripture.

The word "sleep" in this instance cannot refer to death. In 1 Thess 4:13 Paul begins to speak of this "sleep" and 12 verses later (in a continuation of the same topic) in 1 Thess 5:6 He tells them not to fall "asleep". This means that the "sleep" referred to in this instance is voluntary.

Reason number two is because some Christians don’t understand that the term “Second Coming” does not refer to the same thing as the term “Day of the Lord”. The “Day of the Lord” is specifically a time of discipline brought about by a person’s disobedience.

The “sleepers” are believers who have been made alive (1 Cor 15:22) but have not “watched and been sober”, 1 Thess 5:6.

They have fallen “asleep” in a time of darkness and are not “of the Day, 1 Thess 5:8”.

The “sleeping condition” is what happens to believers who are not “alert and sober”.

The term “sleeping” as it is used here refers to what we would today call a backslidden believer. These believers had not put on their spiritual armor, 1 Thess 5:8.

1Th 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent or Come before, (Strongs #5348) them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1Th 5:1 ¶ But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction or punishment (Strong’s #3639) cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 ¶ Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
11 ¶ Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
Whether a Christian believer is of the day (awake) or in the night (asleep) they live together with the Lord, 5:10. This is not an issue of losing salvation, but an issue of being exposed to the correction of the Lord (1 Cor 11:32) due to inattention to spiritual concerns.

The “sleepers“ are not to be awoken by other believers, but by the Lord’s discipline. The command to not "come before" (1 Thess 4:15) the sleepers is so that their backslidden condition does not effect those who remain Faithful to Jesus. Believers are commanded by the Lord not to come before “sleeping” or backslidden brethren, 1 Thess 4:15.

These verses also refer to obedient Christians not associating with willfully disobedient believers.- Mt 18:17; 1Co 5:9,11; 2Th 3:6; 2Thess 3:14.
The Lord will wake them in the proper way by means of the Destruction/punishment (Strong’s #3639) of the “day” of the Lord, 1 Thess 5:4.

brmicke said:

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent or Come before, (Strongs #5348) them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

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Daniel 12:v.1-3

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Daniel 11:v.33-35

33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. (1,260 days? 1,290 days? Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.)

34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

32 ... but the people that do know their GOD shall be strong, and do exploits.

Oseas said:

Philippians 3:v.20-21
20 For our conversation is in heaven (heaven? Ephesians 1:v.3); from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ:

21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.

1 Corinthians 15:v.51-56

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, ...at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
57 Thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

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There is no 'rapture to heaven' for anyone. Even the 2 Witnesses are just taken up to meet Jesus at His Return, with the rest of the GT martyrs, plus those who are alive and remain.

1 Corinthians 15:51-16 is a prophecy about the Great White Throne Judgment; AFTER the Millennium.
Proved by how it is only then that Death will be no more. Revelation 21:4 In the New Heavens and the New Earth.

brmicke said:

Paul spoke of "sleepers" and was going to explain the concept in 1 Thess 4:13. Then in 1 Thess 5:6 tells them not to fall "asleep".

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1 Thess 4:13-14, is talking about dead people. We are told exactly which Christians who have died, that Jesus will bring with Him when He Returns. Revelation 20:... ONLY the GT martyrs.

1 Thess 5:6 & 10, is talking about people who fail to be ready for the dramatic events of the end times.
Especially those who dismiss the prophesies about our future, in the false belief of being 'outta here', in a so called 'rapture to heaven'.

Philippians 3:v.20-21
20 For our conversation is in heaven (heaven? Ephesians 1:v.3); from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.

1 Corinthians 15:v.51 to 53
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

There will not be return of the LORD JESUS before Michael sounds his trumpet -1 Thes. 4:v.16 & 1 Cor.15:v.51-53 - , and before the resurrection of the dead.

The problem is :

Who is spiritually able to identify the sound of the trumpet as was prophesied by Daniel? The earth/churches is infested of fallen angels, ministers of Satan-2 Corinthians 11:v.13-15, and also infested of apostasies, and cunningly devised fables, and false interpretations of Scriptures, and there is a satanic trinity in the earth, i.e. three unclean spirits like frogs working among the Christianity in whole world -Revelation 16:v.13-16. But this is not all, because the man of sin will still manifest
himself in the days ahead, then there will be two Beasts in the world of Devil, i.e. the Beast of sea-Revelation 13:1-10 and the Beast of the earth-Revelation 13:v.11-18.

The MAN Beast of sea will be wounded to death in one of his 7 heads(South America) from now on, and then will rise up the MAN Beast of earth-of the dry land or dry clay- with two horns like a lamb, but speaks as Dragon-Revelation 13:v.11-. In fact, the MAN Beast of earth is a false lamb, a false messiah, an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, who will be the head of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism, a profound Torah connoisseur . The MAN Beast of the earth will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Even him will give to the Beast of sea his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority -Revelation 13:v.2- in order to heal the head of the sea Beast that will be mortally wounded from now on -South America-.

Be careful and get ready

Again: There is no return of the LORD JESUS before Michael sounds his trumpet-1Thes.4:v.16 & 1Cor. 15:v.51-53 -, and before the resurrection of the dead.

Daniel 12:v.1-3

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 1 Thes.4:v.16-For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (1Cor.15:v.51 to

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Daniel 11:v.33-35

33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. (1,260 days? 1,290 days? Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.)

34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

32 ... but the people that do know their GOD shall be strong, and do exploits.

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18:v.8

Parables are used to conceal the truth.

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Consider, Paul said that we are absent from the body when we are with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:6 KJV — Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

Paul also said the things you quoted about the body in 1 Cor 15. So do you He was inconsistamt regarding what He previously said about being absent from the body?

1 Cor 15 is speaking about the mortal clothing itself with immortality by putting on the attributes of Christ Jesus.

Paul wanted to attain the resurrection while in this body/life.

3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Col 3:1 ¶If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Romans 7:24 KJV — O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?