Majority of Capitol Rioters have financial trouble

Hans Blaster said:

The arrested Capitol Rioters are *ALL* Trump supporters.

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No...say it ain’t so! I was sure they were Antifa hotheads carrying out a false flag operation. Stupid me...

Their financial hardships may give insight to their recklessness. I can’t fathom anyone doing the same without considering the consequences or unlikelihood of success. Most have too much to lose and value their freedom too highly to risk it.

Yours in His Service,

~bella

Capitol Hill Siege | Program on Extremism | The George Washington University

February 10, 2021
The number of federal cases against individuals involved in the Capitol Hill Siege stands at 201. According to our latest analysis of the cases:

• The average age of individuals was 40-years-old.
  
• Individuals came from 40 states and the District of Columbia.
  
• Cases have been brought against 174 men and 27 women.

GreekOrthodox said:

That was one of the points of the WP article. The group IS different than the general public.

"The group’s bankruptcy rate — 18 percent — was nearly twice as high as that of the American public, The Post found. A quarter of them had been sued for money owed to a creditor. And 1 in 5 of them faced losing their home at one point, according to court filings."

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According to the article:

"Nearly 60 percent of the people facing charges related to the Capitol riot showed signs of prior money troubles, including bankruptcies, notices of eviction or foreclosure, bad debts, or unpaid taxes over the past two decades"

So 60 percent:

bankruptcies or
notices of eviction or
foreclosure or
bad debts or
unpaid taxes over the past two decades

And that is over the last two decades. If you collected up 100 people at random you would likely find one of those things in their history over the last 20 years. Ever lose a job over the last 20 years? Ever have any financial difficulties at all over the last 20 years? Anyone who has ever been through any kind of financial problem over the last twenty years has at least one of those on their record. That includes the covid epidemic and the financial crash of 2008.

Hans Blaster said:

Back from whom?

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The vast majority of voters, apparently.

GreekOrthodox said:

Washington Post - A Majority Of The People Arrested For Capitol Riot Had A History Of Financial Trouble.

• "Nearly 60 percent of the people facing charges related to the Capitol riot showed signs of prior money troubles, including bankruptcies, notices of eviction or foreclosure, bad debts, or unpaid taxes over the past two decades, according to a Washington Post analysis of public records for 125 defendants with sufficient information to detail their financial histories."
  
• "The group’s bankruptcy rate — 18 percent — was nearly twice as high as that of the American public, The Post found. A quarter of them had been sued for money owed to a creditor. And 1 in 5 of them faced losing their home at one point, according to court filings."
  
• "The financial problems are revealing because they offer potential clues for understanding why so many Trump supporters — many with professional careers and few with violent criminal histories — were willing to participate in an attack egged on by the president’s rhetoric painting him and his supporters as undeserving victims."

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That certainly explains their looking at Trump as a leader, he has many of those same qualities.

KCfromNC said:

The vast majority of voters, apparently.

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What else should we expect from those with royalist handles?

GreekOrthodox said:

Washington Post - A Majority Of The People Arrested For Capitol Riot Had A History Of Financial Trouble.

• "Nearly 60 percent of the people facing charges related to the Capitol riot showed signs of prior money troubles, including bankruptcies, notices of eviction or foreclosure, bad debts, or unpaid taxes over the past two decades, according to a Washington Post analysis of public records for 125 defendants with sufficient information to detail their financial histories."
  
• "The group’s bankruptcy rate — 18 percent — was nearly twice as high as that of the American public, The Post found. A quarter of them had been sued for money owed to a creditor. And 1 in 5 of them faced losing their home at one point, according to court filings."
  
• "The financial problems are revealing because they offer potential clues for understanding why so many Trump supporters — many with professional careers and few with violent criminal histories — were willing to participate in an attack egged on by the president’s rhetoric painting him and his supporters as undeserving victims."

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Maybe it's time to start rethinking "debtors prisons"... Just kidding, but such a thing has existed here in US history. Thankfully, that practice has been banned.

What happened at the capitol was wrong. Whether they agreed with the results or not doesn’t excuse their behavior or the mob action that followed.

If you won’t subject yourself or loved ones to the same. You have no right condoning it for others. It’s unbiblical, hypocritical, and mean spirited.

Yours in His Service,

~bella

HTacianas said:

According to the article:

"Nearly 60 percent of the people facing charges related to the Capitol riot showed signs of prior money troubles, including bankruptcies, notices of eviction or foreclosure, bad debts, or unpaid taxes over the past two decades"

So 60 percent:

bankruptcies or
notices of eviction or
foreclosure or
bad debts or
unpaid taxes over the past two decades

And that is over the last two decades. If you collected up 100 people at random you would likely find one of those things in their history over the last 20 years. Ever lose a job over the last 20 years? Ever have any financial difficulties at all over the last 20 years? Anyone who has ever been through any kind of financial problem over the last twenty years has at least one of those on their record. That includes the covid epidemic and the financial crash of 2008.

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Umm, you committed a debate error there.

It would not be difficult to collect 100 people at random and find many who did not have a bankruptcy, notice of eviction, foreclosure, bad debt declaration, or unpaid taxes since 2001. Me, for instance. I don't have any of those. And I'm nobody special. I expect fewer than 60 out of a random 100 people will have any of those specific issues.

Then you tried to conflate that as "any kind of financial trouble," but it's not about "any kind of financial trouble," but quite severe financial troubles.

That's not surprising...most troubled people, if you took a look at their situation, and the source of said "trouble" would probably trace back to some sort of financial issues.

The female insurrectionist who was shot at the capitol was actually an Air Force vet, and an Obama supporter previously. Her business was forced to close due to covid restrictions, and she was upside down in a high-interest loan (169%) that she took at the beginning of the pandemic when her business was forcibly shutdown to try to keep afloat (because she, like everyone else, was told that it was to be a very short term effort to flatten the curve, and then things would go back to normal), when 15 days turned into the better part of the year.

People in dire financial circumstances, turning to irrational behavior, is something that both sides need to look through with a lens of consistency. ...rather than looking at it as "when someone who sides with the other political faction does it, they're just bad people...however when someone from my side does it, we have to look at it sympathetically taking their personal circumstances into account"...people need to apply the same sets of rules.

That means, far-right folks need to give inner-city street gangs the same level of contextual understanding they'd give a person who's acting out because their business was forcibly shut down, and far-left folks need to give ruined business owners the same level of leeway that they'd grant an inner-city youth who was making poor choices due to their financial situation.

I have worked in businesses that credit score customers. And I can tell you that having those things over a period of twenty years is normal. To have any of those more than seven years ago does not affect a person's creditworthiness, neither does it mean, as the OP said, that a person has financial problems. It means that they had financial problems in the past. If the story said 60 percent of those people currently have any of those things it might mean they have financial problems.

That someone has gone back and investigated a person's financial history for the last twenty years means that they are actively looking to gin up some controversy. The article is a hit piece written to portray those people in as bad a light as possible.

GreekOrthodox said:

I just started watching Robert Reich's documentary on Netflix called "Saving Capitalism" done in 2017. In one section, he compares Occupy Wall Street and Tea Party folks saying the same thing - The system is broken.

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I have seen that...it's a decent film.

I did agree with him on some of the solutions and prescriptions for the problem, but disagreed on some other parts.

In a nutshell, you have the government creating some of these problems for people, and then using said problems as a sort of political football, and making "the fix" for said problems contingent on support for a broader agenda.

As a simplistic example. Let's say the government saw fit to dump waste in the river behind your house...it would rightfully upset you. It would be doubly frustrating if a politician from the party (that originally came up with the hairbrained policy in the first place) claimed to be a fighter for that cause of cleaning up the river, and said "we have a plan to prevent the dumping of waste in rivers...it's part of this larger bill we've written (that may or may not contain a bunch of other things you don't like), so all you have to is support this larger bill, and your river problems will be solved.


In a political system, obviously we can't have one party for every single individual, that would be absurd and everyone has to make certain concessions. However, when you reduce the number of options so much so, that a significant number of people feel that they have to make so many concessions, that they basically have to abandon > 40% of their preferences no matter which party they pick, you're going to end up with a log of disgruntled people.

keith99 said:

Perhaps that sort of fiscal irresponsibility is a major contributor to their financial problems.

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My thoughts exactly. Legit economical anxiety vs. inherently antisocial, dysfunctional people who can't save themselves from themselves.

Kalevalatar said:

My thoughts exactly. Legit economical anxiety vs. inherently antisocial, dysfunctional people who can't save themselves from themselves.

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One of my favorite commercials had the ultimate 50's guy mowing his huge front lawn on a riding mower and talking about his beautiful house, his cars and all that. It ended with him asking 'How do I do it?' And of course all the viewers thinking it was an ad for some sort of investment company or the like. Then whining through clenched teeth he said 'I'm in debt up to my eyeballs, somebody help me,please' and we find out is is an ad for a debt relief company.

Under One King said:

Actually, we on the right are tired of being taken advantage of by the Dems (and many Republicans). You won't see any unity from me until the left shows they actually mean it. They don't.

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That's the kind of thinking that lead a bunch on the right to storm the Capitol on 1/6.

Worked like a charm, didn't it?