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I was a TCK, and many of my friends were MKs. We developed a special bond, and several decades later, most of us are still very close friends, though we are spread all over the globe. Your childrens' TCK experience will be a very positive factor in shaping the rest of their lives.

With regard to your question, I think the pastor is being unreasonable. You are the missionary, not the children. They are at a delicate stage of life, and need to be nurtured. It's especially difficult for kids to live outside of their own culture, and the TCK community is precious in that it provides a cultural bridge.

On the other hand, since the church meeting is only twice monthly, it would be a good gesture if they would agree to attend once a month. That way, they are at their own group 75% of the time, and can see it as a generous tithe of their time to mix with the kids at the church.

In the end, I would not push the kids too hard. They are already living in a foreign land, and they need as much comfort and support that is available to them. They have unique challenges that their fellow MKs and TCKs understand, and that community is invaluable to them.
 
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I am an American evangelical missionary serving in the balkans. I am working with a national pastor in a small church.

I have encountered a bit of an issue in which I would value some input. I have tried explaining things, but I can’t seem to explain it adequately enough to the pastor. Can I give a bit of background about the situation and perhaps someone could share any thoughts they have regarding the situation?

My wife and I have three teenage children ages 13, 15, and 17. Over the years, we have encouraged and tried to integrate our kids into our host culture as much as possible. They have made strides in this area, but they feel most comfortable with other MKs and TCKs.

Our kids attend an English speaking Christian school that is comprised mostly of MKs and TCKs. All three of our kids attend either a Bible study or youth ministry event every Friday night that is sponsored by the school. Their community and activities mainly center around the school, with many of the teachers being surrogate spiritual mentors and disciplers in the absence of what would be a normal church experience for them. All three of our children are believers in Christ Jesus and have been baptized of their own initiative.

My wife and I have worked hard at developing a healthy understanding and involvement in “church” with our kids. This has been a challenging task and not at all unique to us, but a lot of missionary families struggle in this area. We minister and attend a church that is not in our language or culture, and our two youngest do not understand or speak enough Albanian to understand sermons, Bible studies, or conversations. We have had many discussions about why they need to go to this local church when they don’t understand anything! When we are in the United States, we are often at a different church every Sunday. So even though they understand the sermon, they do not have consistent community, accountability, or a means of being involved regularly in the church.

What we have settled on is piecing together all the components of “church” with some overlap. Three separate efforts help our children grow in their faith in a church experience - our local Albanian church, our children’s school, and our family church time. At the local church, they have a place of service in helping with children’s church and set-up/clean-up; they have multi-generational fellowship and care; they have a place to give tithes and to financially help others in need; and they have accountability in consistency. At the school, our children have Bible teaching; they have accountability with their peers in their daily lives; they have community and deeper fellowship for encouragement and growth; and they have spiritual mentors and youth pastors that come alongside them. In our family church time, we have worship and preaching from the Bible in English through the online services of a church in the US; we pray together and discuss the sermon and its application in our lives. We are careful to explain that normally a healthy church involvement would have all these components in one community, but we realize that this doesn’t happen on the mission field for our kids. I explain all this to underscore that church is very important to our family, but also complicated to explain to those that are not missionaries.

With this background in mind, here is the issue that has surfaced recently. Our local church has started a youth meeting which meets twice a month on Friday nights. Our children have been and continue to be invited to this church youth meeting, but it is on the same night that our kids have a Bible study/youth event through the school. The kids don’t relate as well to the church group compared to their MK and TCK peer group. We have talked with our kids about the church youth meeting, but they still do not have much of an interest in attending.

I am under pressure by our pastor to have our kids not go to the ministry events that they are a part of (and have been for years) and instead go to the church youth group meeting. Our kids don’t want to go to it. I have recently been told that it is an expectation that our kids would attend the church meeting. I don’t know what would happen if our kids still don’t go to it. I suppose the most extreme possibility would be revoking their membership of the church or asking us to leave our ministry with the church.

Everything that I read and believe to be good parenting given our context tells me not to force our kids to go to the church meeting when they don’t feel comfortable there, especially when they are growing spiritually and being ministered to at the youth ministry that is with their peers and in their heart language.

Am I off base here in saying, “Thanks for the invitation but our kids already have a ministry event that they go to.” Even if the church meeting was moved to a different night, I don’t think they would want to go. Not because they don’t like the people in the church, but because they feel so uncomfortable and are already having their needs met through the school’s ministry.

I was told by the pastor that as a missionary and elder of the church, it sets a poor example if my kids don’t go. And the expectation is that they would be there.

I want to say this situation is not that big of a deal, but I have seen missionaries ousted from national partnership for some pretty little things.

Does anyone have any thoughts regarding this situation?


Hi Mantho:

It is always a tough situation when we have to deal with our strong willed teens.

Bottom line? Teach them the language somehow someway! They need to learn obedience. They are under your roof still so you are the head of your home and get to call these shots!

I agree with the local pastor! It sets a terrible trend and makes for a very poor testimony that a missionary will not get his children involved and that the children are allowed to run counter to the wishes of their parents.

This is tough but needed love. You said they were baptized on their own desire. Then they need to learn that being a follower means they lose many personal rights for the sake of the kingdom.

Hope this helps.
 
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I suspect there may be a bit of a culture clash here. The American Liberal way would be to let the children decide for themselves where they want to go and be what they want to be. I was in Kosovo for a little while about a year after the war ended there and saw a bit of the culture there. The Albanian Kosovar culture was very much men were the head of the family and women and children did what they were told. I would expect from the Pastors view he is just asking you to do what would be expected in their culture. I would suggest you have a talk with him about the differences in culture in Albania and the US. That would include how you think your kids will develop and how they might serve in the church in their future. There is also the issue that English is their first language so forcing them to attend an Albanian group could hinder their spiritual growth. I'd also include that they are effectively training and growing in an environment closer to their own culture.

As with everything their are always going to be different views, but one of the key considerations is always going to be how it might affect them long term. If they joined the Albanian group it could help therm learn the language better and integrate into the culture. It could also alienate them and lave them unhappy about being there. You need to tread fairly carefully including ultimately deciding whether remaining there is the right thing if you cant do the right thing for your family. Hopefully it would never get anywhere near this though.
 
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I am an American evangelical missionary serving in the balkans. I am working with a national pastor in a small church.

I have encountered a bit of an issue in which I would value some input. I have tried explaining things, but I can’t seem to explain it adequately enough to the pastor. Can I give a bit of background about the situation and perhaps someone could share any thoughts they have regarding the situation?

My wife and I have three teenage children ages 13, 15, and 17. Over the years, we have encouraged and tried to integrate our kids into our host culture as much as possible. They have made strides in this area, but they feel most comfortable with other MKs and TCKs.

Our kids attend an English speaking Christian school that is comprised mostly of MKs and TCKs. All three of our kids attend either a Bible study or youth ministry event every Friday night that is sponsored by the school. Their community and activities mainly center around the school, with many of the teachers being surrogate spiritual mentors and disciplers in the absence of what would be a normal church experience for them. All three of our children are believers in Christ Jesus and have been baptized of their own initiative.

My wife and I have worked hard at developing a healthy understanding and involvement in “church” with our kids. This has been a challenging task and not at all unique to us, but a lot of missionary families struggle in this area. We minister and attend a church that is not in our language or culture, and our two youngest do not understand or speak enough Albanian to understand sermons, Bible studies, or conversations. We have had many discussions about why they need to go to this local church when they don’t understand anything! When we are in the United States, we are often at a different church every Sunday. So even though they understand the sermon, they do not have consistent community, accountability, or a means of being involved regularly in the church.

What we have settled on is piecing together all the components of “church” with some overlap. Three separate efforts help our children grow in their faith in a church experience - our local Albanian church, our children’s school, and our family church time. At the local church, they have a place of service in helping with children’s church and set-up/clean-up; they have multi-generational fellowship and care; they have a place to give tithes and to financially help others in need; and they have accountability in consistency. At the school, our children have Bible teaching; they have accountability with their peers in their daily lives; they have community and deeper fellowship for encouragement and growth; and they have spiritual mentors and youth pastors that come alongside them. In our family church time, we have worship and preaching from the Bible in English through the online services of a church in the US; we pray together and discuss the sermon and its application in our lives. We are careful to explain that normally a healthy church involvement would have all these components in one community, but we realize that this doesn’t happen on the mission field for our kids. I explain all this to underscore that church is very important to our family, but also complicated to explain to those that are not missionaries.

With this background in mind, here is the issue that has surfaced recently. Our local church has started a youth meeting which meets twice a month on Friday nights. Our children have been and continue to be invited to this church youth meeting, but it is on the same night that our kids have a Bible study/youth event through the school. The kids don’t relate as well to the church group compared to their MK and TCK peer group. We have talked with our kids about the church youth meeting, but they still do not have much of an interest in attending.

I am under pressure by our pastor to have our kids not go to the ministry events that they are a part of (and have been for years) and instead go to the church youth group meeting. Our kids don’t want to go to it. I have recently been told that it is an expectation that our kids would attend the church meeting. I don’t know what would happen if our kids still don’t go to it. I suppose the most extreme possibility would be revoking their membership of the church or asking us to leave our ministry with the church.

Everything that I read and believe to be good parenting given our context tells me not to force our kids to go to the church meeting when they don’t feel comfortable there, especially when they are growing spiritually and being ministered to at the youth ministry that is with their peers and in their heart language.

Am I off base here in saying, “Thanks for the invitation but our kids already have a ministry event that they go to.” Even if the church meeting was moved to a different night, I don’t think they would want to go. Not because they don’t like the people in the church, but because they feel so uncomfortable and are already having their needs met through the school’s ministry.

I was told by the pastor that as a missionary and elder of the church, it sets a poor example if my kids don’t go. And the expectation is that they would be there.

I want to say this situation is not that big of a deal, but I have seen missionaries ousted from national partnership for some pretty little things.

Does anyone have any thoughts regarding this situation?
It sounds like you are being required to sacrifice your children’s best chance at a sense of normalcy and possibly some of their spiritual well being on the alter of church politics. I don’t envy the politics that come with church leadership.

It sounds like a situation that will not spiritually benefit your kids but will only help you and your pastor secure awesome church leadership imagery. Church leadership imagery can masks some unwholesome stuff. I hate this for you if this is your case.

If you want to risk it, have a heart to heart with the pastor. Tell him your kids are already on unfamiliar ground. Tell him you feel pressured by him and are not comfortable with what he is asking of your family. Maybe ask him if there is something else that your family can do to present a unified church leadership front?

Or give in to his request but with boundaries. Maybe tell him your kids will attend for a semester to help kick off the newer youth ministry? This way your children will not be uncomfortable indefinitely and the pastor gets his ministry preference and you don’t have to feel like your ministry relationship is threatened? Perhaps he will ease off when he sees you bending at his request for a time?

I pray all the best for your situation. God Bless your family’s missionary efforts!
 
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I'm 60 now so when I say I'm a preacher's kid, please keep that in perspective because it means I grew up in a different decade to this one.

Anyway, I got dragged everywhere, and it wasn't pretty. Not that I was unwilling to go, usually there was fun to be had somewhere, but it doesn't mean I was always happy about it.

Its not quite the same as your poor kids are facing [sorry, I empathise with them] but Rhodesia, which is now Zimbabwe, was culturally diverse and there were different languages, plus racial tension.

Quite frankly my oldest son tells me I'm too blunt but I would likely have told that Albanian pastor to butt out and leave my kids alone. It is actually your choice, dad, as to what your kids do and I feel this is unscriptural pressure being placed on you, you are the head of your home. He may not like your decision but its not his place to demand.

However let me share a family story with you that does not include me as I was still a baby then. You have taught your children to be spiritual, trust them to follow God's leading.

A lady came to our home to invite my two older brothers to go to the circus [they were around 5 & 6 years]. My dad called them into the lounge and gave her permission to invite them, which she did. My brothers asked if they could go and pray about it first then receded to their bedroom [closet if you would] to pray.

When they returned they first spoke to dad, asking, "Would you go?"

He answered, "No."

Turning to the lady they thanked her very much for the invitation but had decided to decline the offer.

Respecting their decision she left our home after a cup of tea and a visit.

If you are unsure, gently ask your children if they have prayed about this to know God's mind on the matter. If their answer to the demand is still, no, then that is what it is. Support your kids, you won't regret it in the long run. It is better to lose standing than to lose your children.

Dad and I have a sometimes turbulent but excellent relationship. He's 85 now, and I visit him at least twice a week, and we fellowship together.

It is good to keep the peace but sometimes it is necessary to make a stand for what is right and good. If a door closes in one place God will open another, he's a Father too, and he's very good at that.
 
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Could you suggest to your children that they each ask the Lord what He wants them to do on Friday evenings and ask for a clear answer? (It may not be the same for each of them.) It's part of spiritual growth to seek the Lord's will first and to do it. If they feel they should go to the Church youth group, they could pray for the Lord's help in being able to integrate more and for good relationships with the local people there. (If that were so, would they still be able to go to the school event on the other two Fridays each month?) If the Lord says stay with what they are already doing, on Friday evenings, then they can do so with the peace of knowing that they are in His will.

I tend to think that your children are already coping with a different culture so that it seems a bit hard for them to have to go to the Church youth group, and maybe the Pastor could do with understanding how difficult it is for them, especially in view of the language problems. On the other hand serving the Lord means putting His Kingdom first so it's not just about what they do/don't want to do. The only thing I can suggest is seeking a clear answer from God, Whom they have all made a decision to serve, and see what He says. Are any of them of an age, do you think, when they can make their own decision depending on what they believe He is saying? Thus you are not forcing them, but guiding them in choosing (or not) to follow the Lord's leading.
 
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I am an American evangelical missionary serving in the balkans. I am working with a national pastor in a small church.

I have encountered a bit of an issue in which I would value some input. I have tried explaining things, but I can’t seem to explain it adequately enough to the pastor. Can I give a bit of background about the situation and perhaps someone could share any thoughts they have regarding the situation?

My wife and I have three teenage children ages 13, 15, and 17. Over the years, we have encouraged and tried to integrate our kids into our host culture as much as possible. They have made strides in this area, but they feel most comfortable with other MKs and TCKs.

Our kids attend an English speaking Christian school that is comprised mostly of MKs and TCKs. All three of our kids attend either a Bible study or youth ministry event every Friday night that is sponsored by the school. Their community and activities mainly center around the school, with many of the teachers being surrogate spiritual mentors and disciplers in the absence of what would be a normal church experience for them. All three of our children are believers in Christ Jesus and have been baptized of their own initiative.

My wife and I have worked hard at developing a healthy understanding and involvement in “church” with our kids. This has been a challenging task and not at all unique to us, but a lot of missionary families struggle in this area. We minister and attend a church that is not in our language or culture, and our two youngest do not understand or speak enough Albanian to understand sermons, Bible studies, or conversations. We have had many discussions about why they need to go to this local church when they don’t understand anything! When we are in the United States, we are often at a different church every Sunday. So even though they understand the sermon, they do not have consistent community, accountability, or a means of being involved regularly in the church.

What we have settled on is piecing together all the components of “church” with some overlap. Three separate efforts help our children grow in their faith in a church experience - our local Albanian church, our children’s school, and our family church time. At the local church, they have a place of service in helping with children’s church and set-up/clean-up; they have multi-generational fellowship and care; they have a place to give tithes and to financially help others in need; and they have accountability in consistency. At the school, our children have Bible teaching; they have accountability with their peers in their daily lives; they have community and deeper fellowship for encouragement and growth; and they have spiritual mentors and youth pastors that come alongside them. In our family church time, we have worship and preaching from the Bible in English through the online services of a church in the US; we pray together and discuss the sermon and its application in our lives. We are careful to explain that normally a healthy church involvement would have all these components in one community, but we realize that this doesn’t happen on the mission field for our kids. I explain all this to underscore that church is very important to our family, but also complicated to explain to those that are not missionaries.

With this background in mind, here is the issue that has surfaced recently. Our local church has started a youth meeting which meets twice a month on Friday nights. Our children have been and continue to be invited to this church youth meeting, but it is on the same night that our kids have a Bible study/youth event through the school. The kids don’t relate as well to the church group compared to their MK and TCK peer group. We have talked with our kids about the church youth meeting, but they still do not have much of an interest in attending.

I am under pressure by our pastor to have our kids not go to the ministry events that they are a part of (and have been for years) and instead go to the church youth group meeting. Our kids don’t want to go to it. I have recently been told that it is an expectation that our kids would attend the church meeting. I don’t know what would happen if our kids still don’t go to it. I suppose the most extreme possibility would be revoking their membership of the church or asking us to leave our ministry with the church.

Everything that I read and believe to be good parenting given our context tells me not to force our kids to go to the church meeting when they don’t feel comfortable there, especially when they are growing spiritually and being ministered to at the youth ministry that is with their peers and in their heart language.

Am I off base here in saying, “Thanks for the invitation but our kids already have a ministry event that they go to.” Even if the church meeting was moved to a different night, I don’t think they would want to go. Not because they don’t like the people in the church, but because they feel so uncomfortable and are already having their needs met through the school’s ministry.

I was told by the pastor that as a missionary and elder of the church, it sets a poor example if my kids don’t go. And the expectation is that they would be there.

I want to say this situation is not that big of a deal, but I have seen missionaries ousted from national partnership for some pretty little things.

Does anyone have any thoughts regarding this situation?
Wondering if you believe all teaching/preaching sources for your children are equally beneficial as for spiritual growth? I'd say follow the course you believe God wishes you to take. You will need to critically consider all aspects of your children's spiritual condition and the merits of all routes presented. Do all these "church" or children's ministries hold to the same teachings...is contradiction ok with you? Are possible contradictions in doctrine being discussed and resolved. Could more growth and maturity and unity be achieved by asking your children to join in the church group provided by your church? Would they be serving in a missionary role themselves by making the sacrifice of outreach over comfort? I don't know...just some thoughts.
 
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I am an American evangelical missionary serving in the balkans. I am working with a national pastor in a small church.

I have encountered a bit of an issue in which I would value some input. I have tried explaining things, but I can’t seem to explain it adequately enough to the pastor. Can I give a bit of background about the situation and perhaps someone could share any thoughts they have regarding the situation?

My wife and I have three teenage children ages 13, 15, and 17. Over the years, we have encouraged and tried to integrate our kids into our host culture as much as possible. They have made strides in this area, but they feel most comfortable with other MKs and TCKs.

Our kids attend an English speaking Christian school that is comprised mostly of MKs and TCKs. All three of our kids attend either a Bible study or youth ministry event every Friday night that is sponsored by the school. Their community and activities mainly center around the school, with many of the teachers being surrogate spiritual mentors and disciplers in the absence of what would be a normal church experience for them. All three of our children are believers in Christ Jesus and have been baptized of their own initiative.

My wife and I have worked hard at developing a healthy understanding and involvement in “church” with our kids. This has been a challenging task and not at all unique to us, but a lot of missionary families struggle in this area. We minister and attend a church that is not in our language or culture, and our two youngest do not understand or speak enough Albanian to understand sermons, Bible studies, or conversations. We have had many discussions about why they need to go to this local church when they don’t understand anything! When we are in the United States, we are often at a different church every Sunday. So even though they understand the sermon, they do not have consistent community, accountability, or a means of being involved regularly in the church.

What we have settled on is piecing together all the components of “church” with some overlap. Three separate efforts help our children grow in their faith in a church experience - our local Albanian church, our children’s school, and our family church time. At the local church, they have a place of service in helping with children’s church and set-up/clean-up; they have multi-generational fellowship and care; they have a place to give tithes and to financially help others in need; and they have accountability in consistency. At the school, our children have Bible teaching; they have accountability with their peers in their daily lives; they have community and deeper fellowship for encouragement and growth; and they have spiritual mentors and youth pastors that come alongside them. In our family church time, we have worship and preaching from the Bible in English through the online services of a church in the US; we pray together and discuss the sermon and its application in our lives. We are careful to explain that normally a healthy church involvement would have all these components in one community, but we realize that this doesn’t happen on the mission field for our kids. I explain all this to underscore that church is very important to our family, but also complicated to explain to those that are not missionaries.

With this background in mind, here is the issue that has surfaced recently. Our local church has started a youth meeting which meets twice a month on Friday nights. Our children have been and continue to be invited to this church youth meeting, but it is on the same night that our kids have a Bible study/youth event through the school. The kids don’t relate as well to the church group compared to their MK and TCK peer group. We have talked with our kids about the church youth meeting, but they still do not have much of an interest in attending.

I am under pressure by our pastor to have our kids not go to the ministry events that they are a part of (and have been for years) and instead go to the church youth group meeting. Our kids don’t want to go to it. I have recently been told that it is an expectation that our kids would attend the church meeting. I don’t know what would happen if our kids still don’t go to it. I suppose the most extreme possibility would be revoking their membership of the church or asking us to leave our ministry with the church.

Everything that I read and believe to be good parenting given our context tells me not to force our kids to go to the church meeting when they don’t feel comfortable there, especially when they are growing spiritually and being ministered to at the youth ministry that is with their peers and in their heart language.

Am I off base here in saying, “Thanks for the invitation but our kids already have a ministry event that they go to.” Even if the church meeting was moved to a different night, I don’t think they would want to go. Not because they don’t like the people in the church, but because they feel so uncomfortable and are already having their needs met through the school’s ministry.

I was told by the pastor that as a missionary and elder of the church, it sets a poor example if my kids don’t go. And the expectation is that they would be there.

I want to say this situation is not that big of a deal, but I have seen missionaries ousted from national partnership for some pretty little things.

Does anyone have any thoughts regarding this situation?
Not that contentiousness is a worthy means, but it seems a bit much to me that the local church demands what even them would probably seem unreasonable were roles reversed. That being said, however:

I'm an MK, son of MKs. (My grandparents on both sides were missionaries.) Yet out of all my many brothers and sisters, I alone did not learn the local language well, mostly for lack of play time with local kids. This makes English by far my first language, and to some degree caused discomfort with the local church. I don't mean there is any use in crying over spilt milk, but your children should have been taught and practiced, playing with locals, etc, learning the local language. It would have made all the difference at this point.

Your oldest may not have long with you, and should hopefully be mature enough to understand the situation instead of demanding his (her) way for just one year (or whatever). The others are young enough, and maybe the oldest would be interested --ask the pastor for help tutoring them in the language, time spent speaking it with locals. Things can happen in a relatively short time.

Finally, and this is hard, but your children, if brought up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, should understand submission, if to none other, to their parents. That is more important than their comfort. As they grow up they may find as you no doubt have been noticing --life is not all about them.
 
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I am an American evangelical missionary serving in the balkans. I am working with a national pastor in a small church.

I have encountered a bit of an issue in which I would value some input. I have tried explaining things, but I can’t seem to explain it adequately enough to the pastor. Can I give a bit of background about the situation and perhaps someone could share any thoughts they have regarding the situation?

My wife and I have three teenage children ages 13, 15, and 17. Over the years, we have encouraged and tried to integrate our kids into our host culture as much as possible. They have made strides in this area, but they feel most comfortable with other MKs and TCKs.

Our kids attend an English speaking Christian school that is comprised mostly of MKs and TCKs. All three of our kids attend either a Bible study or youth ministry event every Friday night that is sponsored by the school. Their community and activities mainly center around the school, with many of the teachers being surrogate spiritual mentors and disciplers in the absence of what would be a normal church experience for them. All three of our children are believers in Christ Jesus and have been baptized of their own initiative.

My wife and I have worked hard at developing a healthy understanding and involvement in “church” with our kids. This has been a challenging task and not at all unique to us, but a lot of missionary families struggle in this area. We minister and attend a church that is not in our language or culture, and our two youngest do not understand or speak enough Albanian to understand sermons, Bible studies, or conversations. We have had many discussions about why they need to go to this local church when they don’t understand anything! When we are in the United States, we are often at a different church every Sunday. So even though they understand the sermon, they do not have consistent community, accountability, or a means of being involved regularly in the church.

What we have settled on is piecing together all the components of “church” with some overlap. Three separate efforts help our children grow in their faith in a church experience - our local Albanian church, our children’s school, and our family church time. At the local church, they have a place of service in helping with children’s church and set-up/clean-up; they have multi-generational fellowship and care; they have a place to give tithes and to financially help others in need; and they have accountability in consistency. At the school, our children have Bible teaching; they have accountability with their peers in their daily lives; they have community and deeper fellowship for encouragement and growth; and they have spiritual mentors and youth pastors that come alongside them. In our family church time, we have worship and preaching from the Bible in English through the online services of a church in the US; we pray together and discuss the sermon and its application in our lives. We are careful to explain that normally a healthy church involvement would have all these components in one community, but we realize that this doesn’t happen on the mission field for our kids. I explain all this to underscore that church is very important to our family, but also complicated to explain to those that are not missionaries.

With this background in mind, here is the issue that has surfaced recently. Our local church has started a youth meeting which meets twice a month on Friday nights. Our children have been and continue to be invited to this church youth meeting, but it is on the same night that our kids have a Bible study/youth event through the school. The kids don’t relate as well to the church group compared to their MK and TCK peer group. We have talked with our kids about the church youth meeting, but they still do not have much of an interest in attending.

I am under pressure by our pastor to have our kids not go to the ministry events that they are a part of (and have been for years) and instead go to the church youth group meeting. Our kids don’t want to go to it. I have recently been told that it is an expectation that our kids would attend the church meeting. I don’t know what would happen if our kids still don’t go to it. I suppose the most extreme possibility would be revoking their membership of the church or asking us to leave our ministry with the church.

Everything that I read and believe to be good parenting given our context tells me not to force our kids to go to the church meeting when they don’t feel comfortable there, especially when they are growing spiritually and being ministered to at the youth ministry that is with their peers and in their heart language.

Am I off base here in saying, “Thanks for the invitation but our kids already have a ministry event that they go to.” Even if the church meeting was moved to a different night, I don’t think they would want to go. Not because they don’t like the people in the church, but because they feel so uncomfortable and are already having their needs met through the school’s ministry.

I was told by the pastor that as a missionary and elder of the church, it sets a poor example if my kids don’t go. And the expectation is that they would be there.

I want to say this situation is not that big of a deal, but I have seen missionaries ousted from national partnership for some pretty little things.

Does anyone have any thoughts regarding this situation?
Our children are all now older adults with their children living and working away from home. They all profess Christ and try to live according to The Word. What I have tried to instill in them is the Truth about a personal relationship with Christ. When it’s the proper time, Christ will reveal himself and teach each individually. If you honestly have not been taught directly taught by him yet, this might not make sense. I’m talking about when he appears a second time to those who look for Him. This very True and simple message is, the True Church only Christ knows.
 
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Although, I realize it places you in a quite a bind I'd have to look at the primary purpose of having children in Bible study or fellowship groups. For me the primary purpose is to nurture and support the Christian faith. So then the question becomes, where is the Christian faith more nurtured for your children? Is that not the best place for them to be? And should that not be their decision, rather than yours?

Disclaimer: I was raised a Methodist PK (i.e. Preacher's kid). I was always of the opinion that the church hired my dad and not me or my mom.
 
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From the Pastor's point of view, it seems like other kids in church look up to yours. In this case i would suggest that you explain to your kids about it, let them know that their attendance will encourage other kids to attend. Perhaps you can download a language app for them that couldrrecord and translate sermons into English or have them attend language classes so that they learn Albanian.
 
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I've been both an MK & separately in the position of leading a youth ministry, that for a variety of reasons wasn't well suited for our own kids. So I fully understand how difficult a situation this can be. I don't think there's any right answer, all I can give is a thoughts, most of which I'm sure you've already considered.

- Having your kids involved in your ministry, is a fantastic way of them seeing God working learning what real love is. Learning to give when it hurts. Seeing God work in people, while on the mission field with my parents has been on of the biggest contributors to my own faith as an adult.
- Kids need Christian friends, love & fun in an environment where that they are comfortable in. As TCK's, the only place they will find this is with other TCK's. Their school youth group is important.
- Probably the only solution is compromise, on everyone's part. Moving one of the nights, or attending some combination of the two groups.
- If you do ask your kids to attend the church group some of time, make sure to encourage them to do it as a ministry. Encourage them and thank them for their willingness to do something they don't like out of love for others.
- Don't expect the church to really understand. The only people I've found who relate to the challenges of TCKs are the kids of immigrants, who are in many ways TCKs themselves.
- Pray. Sometimes only God has answers
 
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I am an American evangelical missionary serving in the balkans. I am working with a national pastor in a small church.

I have encountered a bit of an issue in which I would value some input. I have tried explaining things, but I can’t seem to explain it adequately enough to the pastor. Can I give a bit of background about the situation and perhaps someone could share any thoughts they have regarding the situation?

My wife and I have three teenage children ages 13, 15, and 17. Over the years, we have encouraged and tried to integrate our kids into our host culture as much as possible. They have made strides in this area, but they feel most comfortable with other MKs and TCKs.

Our kids attend an English speaking Christian school that is comprised mostly of MKs and TCKs. All three of our kids attend either a Bible study or youth ministry event every Friday night that is sponsored by the school. Their community and activities mainly center around the school, with many of the teachers being surrogate spiritual mentors and disciplers in the absence of what would be a normal church experience for them. All three of our children are believers in Christ Jesus and have been baptized of their own initiative.

My wife and I have worked hard at developing a healthy understanding and involvement in “church” with our kids. This has been a challenging task and not at all unique to us, but a lot of missionary families struggle in this area. We minister and attend a church that is not in our language or culture, and our two youngest do not understand or speak enough Albanian to understand sermons, Bible studies, or conversations. We have had many discussions about why they need to go to this local church when they don’t understand anything! When we are in the United States, we are often at a different church every Sunday. So even though they understand the sermon, they do not have consistent community, accountability, or a means of being involved regularly in the church.

What we have settled on is piecing together all the components of “church” with some overlap. Three separate efforts help our children grow in their faith in a church experience - our local Albanian church, our children’s school, and our family church time. At the local church, they have a place of service in helping with children’s church and set-up/clean-up; they have multi-generational fellowship and care; they have a place to give tithes and to financially help others in need; and they have accountability in consistency. At the school, our children have Bible teaching; they have accountability with their peers in their daily lives; they have community and deeper fellowship for encouragement and growth; and they have spiritual mentors and youth pastors that come alongside them. In our family church time, we have worship and preaching from the Bible in English through the online services of a church in the US; we pray together and discuss the sermon and its application in our lives. We are careful to explain that normally a healthy church involvement would have all these components in one community, but we realize that this doesn’t happen on the mission field for our kids. I explain all this to underscore that church is very important to our family, but also complicated to explain to those that are not missionaries.

With this background in mind, here is the issue that has surfaced recently. Our local church has started a youth meeting which meets twice a month on Friday nights. Our children have been and continue to be invited to this church youth meeting, but it is on the same night that our kids have a Bible study/youth event through the school. The kids don’t relate as well to the church group compared to their MK and TCK peer group. We have talked with our kids about the church youth meeting, but they still do not have much of an interest in attending.

I am under pressure by our pastor to have our kids not go to the ministry events that they are a part of (and have been for years) and instead go to the church youth group meeting. Our kids don’t want to go to it. I have recently been told that it is an expectation that our kids would attend the church meeting. I don’t know what would happen if our kids still don’t go to it. I suppose the most extreme possibility would be revoking their membership of the church or asking us to leave our ministry with the church.

Everything that I read and believe to be good parenting given our context tells me not to force our kids to go to the church meeting when they don’t feel comfortable there, especially when they are growing spiritually and being ministered to at the youth ministry that is with their peers and in their heart language.

Am I off base here in saying, “Thanks for the invitation but our kids already have a ministry event that they go to.” Even if the church meeting was moved to a different night, I don’t think they would want to go. Not because they don’t like the people in the church, but because they feel so uncomfortable and are already having their needs met through the school’s ministry.

I was told by the pastor that as a missionary and elder of the church, it sets a poor example if my kids don’t go. And the expectation is that they would be there.

I want to say this situation is not that big of a deal, but I have seen missionaries ousted from national partnership for some pretty little things.

Does anyone have any thoughts regarding this situation?

Interesting question. The question is whether your kids want to make friends with the local community or develop their own path. In our church, the young people group was only 5 or so people, and if you did not get on, you found other groups to be involved with. Being in London there was always other options, which I was happy if they found a place to be integrated into.

Part of our witness is loving people and adjusting to the needs of those around.
The problem is this period is actually only a few years and each individual develops and changes a lot, then goes off to university and discovers their own way of expressing themselves.

Sadly I have met some people, children of pastors who did everything to keep their parents happy, and later in life, realised they never found their own path, even if it would have been the same, they miss out on discovering who they actually are. So I would always encourage each individual to be sure they are choosing what they are doing, and taking responsibility for it. It is an essential part of growing up, and as parents we cannot take this responsibility but can empower our kids take those next steps into the adult world. One would hope a youth group is vibrant and alive so this discovery can occur, but this is rarer than one might imagine.

God bless you
 
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I was a TCK, and many of my friends were MKs. We developed a special bond, and several decades later, most of us are still very close friends, though we are spread all over the globe. Your childrens' TCK experience will be a very positive factor in shaping the rest of their lives.

With regard to your question, I think the pastor is being unreasonable. You are the missionary, not the children. They are at a delicate stage of life, and need to be nurtured. It's especially difficult for kids to live outside of their own culture, and the TCK community is precious in that it provides a cultural bridge.

On the other hand, since the church meeting is only twice monthly, it would be a good gesture if they would agree to attend once a month. That way, they are at their own group 75% of the time, and can see it as a generous tithe of their time to mix with the kids at the church.

In the end, I would not push the kids too hard. They are already living in a foreign land, and they need as much comfort and support that is available to them. They have unique challenges that their fellow MKs and TCKs understand, and that community is invaluable to them.
 
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Churches can produce unresolvable dilemmas: they shouldn't, but they do because we are all human, and that includes pastors and missionaries. Many years ago I had eventually to face up to such a dilemma: I left the church when I sincerely judged it would do more harm to stay than, quietly, to leave. I have no way to measure how it affected the church, if at all. I can testify that God didn't leave me. He doesn't break bruised reeds.

We cannot judge this for you. I can only say that I put family first when the matter became unbearable and I would do again. The rest is in God's merciful hands.
 
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I am an American evangelical missionary serving in the balkans. I am working with a national pastor in a small church.

I have encountered a bit of an issue in which I would value some input. I have tried explaining things, but I can’t seem to explain it adequately enough to the pastor. Can I give a bit of background about the situation and perhaps someone could share any thoughts they have regarding the situation?

My wife and I have three teenage children ages 13, 15, and 17. Over the years, we have encouraged and tried to integrate our kids into our host culture as much as possible. They have made strides in this area, but they feel most comfortable with other MKs and TCKs.

Our kids attend an English speaking Christian school that is comprised mostly of MKs and TCKs. All three of our kids attend either a Bible study or youth ministry event every Friday night that is sponsored by the school. Their community and activities mainly center around the school, with many of the teachers being surrogate spiritual mentors and disciplers in the absence of what would be a normal church experience for them. All three of our children are believers in Christ Jesus and have been baptized of their own initiative.

My wife and I have worked hard at developing a healthy understanding and involvement in “church” with our kids. This has been a challenging task and not at all unique to us, but a lot of missionary families struggle in this area. We minister and attend a church that is not in our language or culture, and our two youngest do not understand or speak enough Albanian to understand sermons, Bible studies, or conversations. We have had many discussions about why they need to go to this local church when they don’t understand anything! When we are in the United States, we are often at a different church every Sunday. So even though they understand the sermon, they do not have consistent community, accountability, or a means of being involved regularly in the church.

What we have settled on is piecing together all the components of “church” with some overlap. Three separate efforts help our children grow in their faith in a church experience - our local Albanian church, our children’s school, and our family church time. At the local church, they have a place of service in helping with children’s church and set-up/clean-up; they have multi-generational fellowship and care; they have a place to give tithes and to financially help others in need; and they have accountability in consistency. At the school, our children have Bible teaching; they have accountability with their peers in their daily lives; they have community and deeper fellowship for encouragement and growth; and they have spiritual mentors and youth pastors that come alongside them. In our family church time, we have worship and preaching from the Bible in English through the online services of a church in the US; we pray together and discuss the sermon and its application in our lives. We are careful to explain that normally a healthy church involvement would have all these components in one community, but we realize that this doesn’t happen on the mission field for our kids. I explain all this to underscore that church is very important to our family, but also complicated to explain to those that are not missionaries.

With this background in mind, here is the issue that has surfaced recently. Our local church has started a youth meeting which meets twice a month on Friday nights. Our children have been and continue to be invited to this church youth meeting, but it is on the same night that our kids have a Bible study/youth event through the school. The kids don’t relate as well to the church group compared to their MK and TCK peer group. We have talked with our kids about the church youth meeting, but they still do not have much of an interest in attending.

I am under pressure by our pastor to have our kids not go to the ministry events that they are a part of (and have been for years) and instead go to the church youth group meeting. Our kids don’t want to go to it. I have recently been told that it is an expectation that our kids would attend the church meeting. I don’t know what would happen if our kids still don’t go to it. I suppose the most extreme possibility would be revoking their membership of the church or asking us to leave our ministry with the church.

Everything that I read and believe to be good parenting given our context tells me not to force our kids to go to the church meeting when they don’t feel comfortable there, especially when they are growing spiritually and being ministered to at the youth ministry that is with their peers and in their heart language.

Am I off base here in saying, “Thanks for the invitation but our kids already have a ministry event that they go to.” Even if the church meeting was moved to a different night, I don’t think they would want to go. Not because they don’t like the people in the church, but because they feel so uncomfortable and are already having their needs met through the school’s ministry.

I was told by the pastor that as a missionary and elder of the church, it sets a poor example if my kids don’t go. And the expectation is that they would be there.

I want to say this situation is not that big of a deal, but I have seen missionaries ousted from national partnership for some pretty little things.

Does anyone have any thoughts regarding this situation?

I would suggest you get your kids involved with youth in the Albanian Orthodox Church or the Albanian Greek Catholic Church in order to build an ecumenical relationship between the Albanian evangelical community and the Albanian Catholics and Orthodox, which is extremely important for the success of Christianity in evangelizing the Islamic majority in the country. This fact will be readily apparent to your Albanian co-worker, and by involving your children in the Orthodox or Catholic communities for purposes of ecumenical inter-Christian fellowship and cultural exchange, if you do that in the right way it would render their spare time inviolable and not subject to the desires of the pastor otherwise.
 
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Perhaps if youth in the church would invite them to hang out at other times (Sunday afternoons maybe?) they might want to join them on Friday nights.

This is also a good idea I think, in that it seems probable the desire of the Albanian pastor is motivated by the very good intention of enabling the missionary kids to interact with the kids in his parish, who would probably love to get to know them and be friends with them.

Promoting to third culture kids and missionary kids a maximalist view of friendship and discouraging a reclusive attitude wherein they, out of shyness, tend to self-confine themselves to the artificial boundaries of the expatriate community is highly desirable.
 
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No thanks. A single-sentence definition would do fine.
"Culture" is about the (mostly unconcious) world view and set of rules in an ethno-social group. US culture is different to German Culture, and both are different to Albanian culture.

An missionary kid in an English school has, broadly speaking, parents in the same culture as the school. An Albanian in an English school in Albania has parents with the culture of this land. A German child in an English school in Albania is a third culture kid, with parents neither in the school (British and/or American) culture nor in the land's (Albanian) culture.

Such children usually develop a sort of culture-mix. Therefore I mentioned the culture of the parents, to avoid imprecision.

EDIT: Cleared unclear formulations.
 
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Family comes first.
Jesus said otherwise (Mt 10:37-8), and the Albanian culture agrees. It is American culture that says otherwise. What example will be set if the US missionaries openly show that American culture is more important than what the Bible says?

Things are more complicated, but I thought it good to answer your simplification with the opposite simplification ...
 
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Jesus said otherwise (Mt 10:37-8), and the Albanian culture agrees. It is American culture that says otherwise. What example will be set if the US missionaries openly show that American culture is more important than what the Bible says?

Things are more complicated, but I thought it good to answer your simplification with the opposite simplification ...
No it doesn't say that. He is talking about whether a family forces a choice between him and them. Then you choose Christ over everything. But down on the ground between people, family comes first.
 
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