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I am an American evangelical missionary serving in the balkans. I am working with a national pastor in a small church.

I have encountered a bit of an issue in which I would value some input. I have tried explaining things, but I can’t seem to explain it adequately enough to the pastor. Can I give a bit of background about the situation and perhaps someone could share any thoughts they have regarding the situation?

My wife and I have three teenage children ages 13, 15, and 17. Over the years, we have encouraged and tried to integrate our kids into our host culture as much as possible. They have made strides in this area, but they feel most comfortable with other MKs and TCKs.

Our kids attend an English speaking Christian school that is comprised mostly of MKs and TCKs. All three of our kids attend either a Bible study or youth ministry event every Friday night that is sponsored by the school. Their community and activities mainly center around the school, with many of the teachers being surrogate spiritual mentors and disciplers in the absence of what would be a normal church experience for them. All three of our children are believers in Christ Jesus and have been baptized of their own initiative.

My wife and I have worked hard at developing a healthy understanding and involvement in “church” with our kids. This has been a challenging task and not at all unique to us, but a lot of missionary families struggle in this area. We minister and attend a church that is not in our language or culture, and our two youngest do not understand or speak enough Albanian to understand sermons, Bible studies, or conversations. We have had many discussions about why they need to go to this local church when they don’t understand anything! When we are in the United States, we are often at a different church every Sunday. So even though they understand the sermon, they do not have consistent community, accountability, or a means of being involved regularly in the church.

What we have settled on is piecing together all the components of “church” with some overlap. Three separate efforts help our children grow in their faith in a church experience - our local Albanian church, our children’s school, and our family church time. At the local church, they have a place of service in helping with children’s church and set-up/clean-up; they have multi-generational fellowship and care; they have a place to give tithes and to financially help others in need; and they have accountability in consistency. At the school, our children have Bible teaching; they have accountability with their peers in their daily lives; they have community and deeper fellowship for encouragement and growth; and they have spiritual mentors and youth pastors that come alongside them. In our family church time, we have worship and preaching from the Bible in English through the online services of a church in the US; we pray together and discuss the sermon and its application in our lives. We are careful to explain that normally a healthy church involvement would have all these components in one community, but we realize that this doesn’t happen on the mission field for our kids. I explain all this to underscore that church is very important to our family, but also complicated to explain to those that are not missionaries.

With this background in mind, here is the issue that has surfaced recently. Our local church has started a youth meeting which meets twice a month on Friday nights. Our children have been and continue to be invited to this church youth meeting, but it is on the same night that our kids have a Bible study/youth event through the school. The kids don’t relate as well to the church group compared to their MK and TCK peer group. We have talked with our kids about the church youth meeting, but they still do not have much of an interest in attending.

I am under pressure by our pastor to have our kids not go to the ministry events that they are a part of (and have been for years) and instead go to the church youth group meeting. Our kids don’t want to go to it. I have recently been told that it is an expectation that our kids would attend the church meeting. I don’t know what would happen if our kids still don’t go to it. I suppose the most extreme possibility would be revoking their membership of the church or asking us to leave our ministry with the church.

Everything that I read and believe to be good parenting given our context tells me not to force our kids to go to the church meeting when they don’t feel comfortable there, especially when they are growing spiritually and being ministered to at the youth ministry that is with their peers and in their heart language.

Am I off base here in saying, “Thanks for the invitation but our kids already have a ministry event that they go to.” Even if the church meeting was moved to a different night, I don’t think they would want to go. Not because they don’t like the people in the church, but because they feel so uncomfortable and are already having their needs met through the school’s ministry.

I was told by the pastor that as a missionary and elder of the church, it sets a poor example if my kids don’t go. And the expectation is that they would be there.

I want to say this situation is not that big of a deal, but I have seen missionaries ousted from national partnership for some pretty little things.

Does anyone have any thoughts regarding this situation?
 

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what are 'MKs and TCKs'?

have you shared this reasoning with the pastor?

when in doubt, follow peace; if peace is difficult to discern amongst the choices you see, avoid strife. it could be that your time in this role is coming to an end, and the Lord has something better - the US needs committed Christian ministers as much as any other nation (perhaps more so); maybe the Lord is nudging you to let someone else serve there while you bring your kids back to the US.
 
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My initial thought is that they are your children and your responsibility. They aren’t pawns in a missionary game. So nobody should tell you how to raise them, as long are you aren’t doing something sinful.
 
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what are 'MKs and TCKs'?

have you shared this reasoning with the pastor?

when in doubt, follow peace; if peace is difficult to discern amongst the choices you see, avoid strife. it could be that your time in this role is coming to an end, and the Lord has something better - the US needs committed Christian ministers as much as any other nation (perhaps more so); maybe the Lord is nudging you to let someone else serve there while you bring your kids back to the US.


Mks are missionary kids and TCKs are third culture kids.
 
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Family comes first. I don't know your kids or the details of whole situation, but as long as no one is being unduly hurt, family comes first. Being a missionary in a strange country is a great burden on one's family in the first place. Did you ever ask your kids if that was their choice of life? Better to lose the entire mission than to lose family.
 
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Bottom line, you have to make this choice; not your "pastor". And in this case, I think your best bet is to let your children avoid ministry events if it's that bad for them.
I agree; and if doing this costs you your affiliation with the missionary agency, affiliating with a better one should be the next step.
 
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I am an American evangelical missionary serving in the balkans. I am working with a national pastor in a small church.

I have encountered a bit of an issue in which I would value some input. I have tried explaining things, but I can’t seem to explain it adequately enough to the pastor. Can I give a bit of background about the situation and perhaps someone could share any thoughts they have regarding the situation?

My wife and I have three teenage children ages 13, 15, and 17. Over the years, we have encouraged and tried to integrate our kids into our host culture as much as possible. They have made strides in this area, but they feel most comfortable with other MKs and TCKs.

Our kids attend an English speaking Christian school that is comprised mostly of MKs and TCKs. All three of our kids attend either a Bible study or youth ministry event every Friday night that is sponsored by the school. Their community and activities mainly center around the school, with many of the teachers being surrogate spiritual mentors and disciplers in the absence of what would be a normal church experience for them. All three of our children are believers in Christ Jesus and have been baptized of their own initiative.

My wife and I have worked hard at developing a healthy understanding and involvement in “church” with our kids. This has been a challenging task and not at all unique to us, but a lot of missionary families struggle in this area. We minister and attend a church that is not in our language or culture, and our two youngest do not understand or speak enough Albanian to understand sermons, Bible studies, or conversations. We have had many discussions about why they need to go to this local church when they don’t understand anything! When we are in the United States, we are often at a different church every Sunday. So even though they understand the sermon, they do not have consistent community, accountability, or a means of being involved regularly in the church.

What we have settled on is piecing together all the components of “church” with some overlap. Three separate efforts help our children grow in their faith in a church experience - our local Albanian church, our children’s school, and our family church time. At the local church, they have a place of service in helping with children’s church and set-up/clean-up; they have multi-generational fellowship and care; they have a place to give tithes and to financially help others in need; and they have accountability in consistency. At the school, our children have Bible teaching; they have accountability with their peers in their daily lives; they have community and deeper fellowship for encouragement and growth; and they have spiritual mentors and youth pastors that come alongside them. In our family church time, we have worship and preaching from the Bible in English through the online services of a church in the US; we pray together and discuss the sermon and its application in our lives. We are careful to explain that normally a healthy church involvement would have all these components in one community, but we realize that this doesn’t happen on the mission field for our kids. I explain all this to underscore that church is very important to our family, but also complicated to explain to those that are not missionaries.

With this background in mind, here is the issue that has surfaced recently. Our local church has started a youth meeting which meets twice a month on Friday nights. Our children have been and continue to be invited to this church youth meeting, but it is on the same night that our kids have a Bible study/youth event through the school. The kids don’t relate as well to the church group compared to their MK and TCK peer group. We have talked with our kids about the church youth meeting, but they still do not have much of an interest in attending.

I am under pressure by our pastor to have our kids not go to the ministry events that they are a part of (and have been for years) and instead go to the church youth group meeting. Our kids don’t want to go to it. I have recently been told that it is an expectation that our kids would attend the church meeting. I don’t know what would happen if our kids still don’t go to it. I suppose the most extreme possibility would be revoking their membership of the church or asking us to leave our ministry with the church.

Everything that I read and believe to be good parenting given our context tells me not to force our kids to go to the church meeting when they don’t feel comfortable there, especially when they are growing spiritually and being ministered to at the youth ministry that is with their peers and in their heart language.

Am I off base here in saying, “Thanks for the invitation but our kids already have a ministry event that they go to.” Even if the church meeting was moved to a different night, I don’t think they would want to go. Not because they don’t like the people in the church, but because they feel so uncomfortable and are already having their needs met through the school’s ministry.

I was told by the pastor that as a missionary and elder of the church, it sets a poor example if my kids don’t go. And the expectation is that they would be there.

I want to say this situation is not that big of a deal, but I have seen missionaries ousted from national partnership for some pretty little things.

Does anyone have any thoughts regarding this situation?
I heard similar issues/stories..many times.
- From those who are involved in..
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More of His wisdom and discernment to you.
 
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Does anyone have any thoughts regarding this situation?

Is meeting the perceived needs of your kids the apex concern in their involvement in various church activities? If so, why? Does Scripture bear this out as the primary concern you should have in dealing with your kids and their participation in the Albanian Youth Group?

What sort of thinking and attitude toward the Church in Albania are you fostering in your children in allowing them to prioritize themselves over the church community you're serving in Albania?

Are your kids being strengthened in their understanding of the crucified life to which they are called as disciples of Jesus Christ (Matthew 16:24-25; John 12:24-25; Galatians 2:20) by making what they want and find comfortable the chief basis of their decision-making in this situation with the Albanian church?

What are you communicating to your kids about your own thinking and commitments as a missionary to the Albanians? It won't be merely what you say, of course, that will teach them, but what you do.

When I was a child, back in the 1970s, churches still typically had morning and evening services on Sunday. My Dad was determined that we should attend both services, and we did. But the evening service began at the very same time as the Disney hour was airing on t.v.! At eight years of age, no dry, tedious, largely-unintelligible spiritual monologuing by the pastor could, in my mind, compete with Mickey Mouse, or Bedknobs and Broomsticks, or the Apple Dumpling Gang!

What a stink I and my siblings would raise in protest when my Dad would herd us all off to the Sunday evening church service! There were six of us, so we could raise quite a fuss. But my Dad was adamantine in his commitment to attending the evening service. We went whether we wanted to or not.

While as a young child I couldn't connect the dots well between my Dad's unyielding determination to be at church on Sunday evening and his love of the Lord, I could see - every Sunday - what my Dad's real priorities were. This I knew, at least: Going to church was extremely important to my Dad - so important he would endure our pouting, and fuming, and grumping to make sure we were all at the service. As I grew older, I saw that there were many points in my Dad's life where this same sort of unyielding commitment to God and His people existed - often at a significant cost to my Dad.

It was these things my Dad did, rather than what he said, that showed me what my Dad really believed and valued. I understood, too, from his example, that loving Christ meant sacrifice and even suffering, at times. The better I understand God's word now, as an adult, the more respect I have for my Dad and the work God has done in him, and the less surprised and disturbed I am at the necessary sacrifice and "light affliction" of knowing and serving Christ.

What sermons are you preaching to your kids with your life? What truths of Scripture is the character of your life revealing to your family?

John 12:24-26
24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.
25 "He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal.
26 "If anyone serves Me, he must follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also; if anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him.
 
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I am an American evangelical missionary serving in the balkans. I am working with a national pastor in a small church.

I have encountered a bit of an issue in which I would value some input. I have tried explaining things, but I can’t seem to explain it adequately enough to the pastor. Can I give a bit of background about the situation and perhaps someone could share any thoughts they have regarding the situation?

My wife and I have three teenage children ages 13, 15, and 17. Over the years, we have encouraged and tried to integrate our kids into our host culture as much as possible. They have made strides in this area, but they feel most comfortable with other MKs and TCKs.

Our kids attend an English speaking Christian school that is comprised mostly of MKs and TCKs. All three of our kids attend either a Bible study or youth ministry event every Friday night that is sponsored by the school. Their community and activities mainly center around the school, with many of the teachers being surrogate spiritual mentors and disciplers in the absence of what would be a normal church experience for them. All three of our children are believers in Christ Jesus and have been baptized of their own initiative.

My wife and I have worked hard at developing a healthy understanding and involvement in “church” with our kids. This has been a challenging task and not at all unique to us, but a lot of missionary families struggle in this area. We minister and attend a church that is not in our language or culture, and our two youngest do not understand or speak enough Albanian to understand sermons, Bible studies, or conversations. We have had many discussions about why they need to go to this local church when they don’t understand anything! When we are in the United States, we are often at a different church every Sunday. So even though they understand the sermon, they do not have consistent community, accountability, or a means of being involved regularly in the church.

What we have settled on is piecing together all the components of “church” with some overlap. Three separate efforts help our children grow in their faith in a church experience - our local Albanian church, our children’s school, and our family church time. At the local church, they have a place of service in helping with children’s church and set-up/clean-up; they have multi-generational fellowship and care; they have a place to give tithes and to financially help others in need; and they have accountability in consistency. At the school, our children have Bible teaching; they have accountability with their peers in their daily lives; they have community and deeper fellowship for encouragement and growth; and they have spiritual mentors and youth pastors that come alongside them. In our family church time, we have worship and preaching from the Bible in English through the online services of a church in the US; we pray together and discuss the sermon and its application in our lives. We are careful to explain that normally a healthy church involvement would have all these components in one community, but we realize that this doesn’t happen on the mission field for our kids. I explain all this to underscore that church is very important to our family, but also complicated to explain to those that are not missionaries.

With this background in mind, here is the issue that has surfaced recently. Our local church has started a youth meeting which meets twice a month on Friday nights. Our children have been and continue to be invited to this church youth meeting, but it is on the same night that our kids have a Bible study/youth event through the school. The kids don’t relate as well to the church group compared to their MK and TCK peer group. We have talked with our kids about the church youth meeting, but they still do not have much of an interest in attending.

I am under pressure by our pastor to have our kids not go to the ministry events that they are a part of (and have been for years) and instead go to the church youth group meeting. Our kids don’t want to go to it. I have recently been told that it is an expectation that our kids would attend the church meeting. I don’t know what would happen if our kids still don’t go to it. I suppose the most extreme possibility would be revoking their membership of the church or asking us to leave our ministry with the church.

Everything that I read and believe to be good parenting given our context tells me not to force our kids to go to the church meeting when they don’t feel comfortable there, especially when they are growing spiritually and being ministered to at the youth ministry that is with their peers and in their heart language.

Am I off base here in saying, “Thanks for the invitation but our kids already have a ministry event that they go to.” Even if the church meeting was moved to a different night, I don’t think they would want to go. Not because they don’t like the people in the church, but because they feel so uncomfortable and are already having their needs met through the school’s ministry.

I was told by the pastor that as a missionary and elder of the church, it sets a poor example if my kids don’t go. And the expectation is that they would be there.

I want to say this situation is not that big of a deal, but I have seen missionaries ousted from national partnership for some pretty little things.

Does anyone have any thoughts regarding this situation?

Blessings in Christ Jesus! There is a time and a season for all things under the sun. Your children are where they are meant to be in this season for them. This season will serve them well later in life. It is The Lord alone that changes the seasons. It is The Lord alone, that fully prepares them for the next season. If you would humbly ask The Lord, in the same way David did(Should we go out against them) should they attend, He will answer you, like He did David. The Lord is there, in all who are truly born from above, and He is faithful to lead us and guide us, unto all righteousness. He also loves it, when we ask and depend on Him alone. And in this ,He will be glorified through you. Have a Blessed Day!
 
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Note: were it the case that the kids didn't want to attend any gatherings other than Sunday worship services, the conclusion might be different. The situation as described for us in the original post, however, made clear that this is not the case.

Our local church has started a youth meeting which meets twice a month on Friday nights. Our children have been and continue to be invited to this church youth meeting, but it is on the same night that our kids have a Bible study/youth event through the school.
 
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Have a look at this video. It is about third culture kids. It will help you understand what is meant by "third culture".

that did help; thanks!

i would say that your kids' welfare comes first; you and your wife made the choice to go there for the Lord as adults, but your kids aren't of age to make such a choice yet - if the local pastor can't understand that, then he may not value the sacrifice you and your wife have made to help him and his church the way he should.

(1Ti 5:8) But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

you might ask the pastor if this scripture would apply to spiritual provision as well; maybe it will help him see things from your perspective.
 
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Since they have not effectively integrated into the host culture, you may need to consider sending the older two back to the US to stay with relatives and finish out high school in a familiar environment. Something to consider.
 
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I am an American evangelical missionary serving in the balkans. I am working with a national pastor in a small church.

I have encountered a bit of an issue in which I would value some input. I have tried explaining things, but I can’t seem to explain it adequately enough to the pastor. Can I give a bit of background about the situation and perhaps someone could share any thoughts they have regarding the situation?

My wife and I have three teenage children ages 13, 15, and 17. Over the years, we have encouraged and tried to integrate our kids into our host culture as much as possible. They have made strides in this area, but they feel most comfortable with other MKs and TCKs.

Our kids attend an English speaking Christian school that is comprised mostly of MKs and TCKs. All three of our kids attend either a Bible study or youth ministry event every Friday night that is sponsored by the school. Their community and activities mainly center around the school, with many of the teachers being surrogate spiritual mentors and disciplers in the absence of what would be a normal church experience for them. All three of our children are believers in Christ Jesus and have been baptized of their own initiative.

My wife and I have worked hard at developing a healthy understanding and involvement in “church” with our kids. This has been a challenging task and not at all unique to us, but a lot of missionary families struggle in this area. We minister and attend a church that is not in our language or culture, and our two youngest do not understand or speak enough Albanian to understand sermons, Bible studies, or conversations. We have had many discussions about why they need to go to this local church when they don’t understand anything! When we are in the United States, we are often at a different church every Sunday. So even though they understand the sermon, they do not have consistent community, accountability, or a means of being involved regularly in the church.

What we have settled on is piecing together all the components of “church” with some overlap. Three separate efforts help our children grow in their faith in a church experience - our local Albanian church, our children’s school, and our family church time. At the local church, they have a place of service in helping with children’s church and set-up/clean-up; they have multi-generational fellowship and care; they have a place to give tithes and to financially help others in need; and they have accountability in consistency. At the school, our children have Bible teaching; they have accountability with their peers in their daily lives; they have community and deeper fellowship for encouragement and growth; and they have spiritual mentors and youth pastors that come alongside them. In our family church time, we have worship and preaching from the Bible in English through the online services of a church in the US; we pray together and discuss the sermon and its application in our lives. We are careful to explain that normally a healthy church involvement would have all these components in one community, but we realize that this doesn’t happen on the mission field for our kids. I explain all this to underscore that church is very important to our family, but also complicated to explain to those that are not missionaries.

With this background in mind, here is the issue that has surfaced recently. Our local church has started a youth meeting which meets twice a month on Friday nights. Our children have been and continue to be invited to this church youth meeting, but it is on the same night that our kids have a Bible study/youth event through the school. The kids don’t relate as well to the church group compared to their MK and TCK peer group. We have talked with our kids about the church youth meeting, but they still do not have much of an interest in attending.

I am under pressure by our pastor to have our kids not go to the ministry events that they are a part of (and have been for years) and instead go to the church youth group meeting. Our kids don’t want to go to it. I have recently been told that it is an expectation that our kids would attend the church meeting. I don’t know what would happen if our kids still don’t go to it. I suppose the most extreme possibility would be revoking their membership of the church or asking us to leave our ministry with the church.

Everything that I read and believe to be good parenting given our context tells me not to force our kids to go to the church meeting when they don’t feel comfortable there, especially when they are growing spiritually and being ministered to at the youth ministry that is with their peers and in their heart language.

Am I off base here in saying, “Thanks for the invitation but our kids already have a ministry event that they go to.” Even if the church meeting was moved to a different night, I don’t think they would want to go. Not because they don’t like the people in the church, but because they feel so uncomfortable and are already having their needs met through the school’s ministry.

I was told by the pastor that as a missionary and elder of the church, it sets a poor example if my kids don’t go. And the expectation is that they would be there.

I want to say this situation is not that big of a deal, but I have seen missionaries ousted from national partnership for some pretty little things.

Does anyone have any thoughts regarding this situation?
Are your kids missionaries? No, they are not. Should you set an example of unity and not cause a stumbling block ? Yes you should. A house can not be divided. Your pastor is feeling the divide. Be blessed.
 
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When we are in the United States, we are often at a different church every Sunday.
You can discover the truly Christian ones in each place, so you know and feed on how God's people are. They can be in different church groups.

Everything that I read and believe to be good parenting given our context tells me not to force our kids to go to the church meeting when they don’t feel comfortable there, especially when they are growing spiritually and being ministered to at the youth ministry that is with their peers and in their heart language.
"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

Even if the church meeting was moved to a different night, I don’t think they would want to go. Not because they don’t like the people in the church, but because they feel so uncomfortable and are already having their needs met through the school’s ministry.
But we need to become all-loving, not hanging out only with certain social and cultural favorites!

You can feed on how our Apostle Paul, in his missionary ministry, became "all things to all men" > 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 > I understand Paul means he adjusted to the culture of the ones he was reaching. And this is our example, including in becoming all-loving.

So, my opinion is, that possibly your children spiritually need to become all-loving, with the help of becoming comfortable in sharing with ones of a different language and culture . . . how God is able to make them comfortable, of course.

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

One time, a missionary in Italy said that at home the parents and children only spoke Italian.

I was told by the pastor that as a missionary and elder of the church, it sets a poor example if my kids don’t go. And the expectation is that they would be there.
Of course, how things look to others is not the only or main reason to do something. But I do understand how it can be not a mature example of love, if I stay away from ones of another culture because of that difference. I can become as they are, and discover how God blesses this.
 
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Thank you and your family for serving as evangelical missionaries.

Think the kids should go where they prefer. If they were younger or didn't want to attend any meetings it would be different. You've been telling them what to do but now at their ages they shift more to being guided.
 
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