The Bible is the Word of God?

Bible Highlighter said:

No, you can't. 1 John 2:3 says we can have an assurance of knowing the Lord if we keep His commandments.

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True those who know God do not practice sin. James says if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God or breaking all of them. This includes God's 4th commandments which is one of God's 10 commandments that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *James 2:10-11

Bible Highlighter said:

Jesus kept the Old Law and fulfilled it upon the cross. Hence, why the temple veil was torn from top to bottom. The laws on animal sacrifices were kept before the cross

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True, this includes all the old covenant laws for remission of sins. The new covenant laws for remission of sins has a new ministration as Jesus as our new high priest ministering on our behalf in the Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man of which the earthly was only a copy *Hebrews 8:1-6. This means under the new ministration of the new covenant there is no more Levitical Priesthood, animal sacrifices and sin offerings for remission of sins. God's sacrifice for the sins of the world in Jesus is once and for all to all those who believe and follow God's Word *John 1:29; Hebrews 10:10

Bible Highlighter said:

But after the cross we do not keep them because Jesus fulfilled the Old Law. Christ nailed to the cross those ordinances that were against us (Colossians 2:14).

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It is not that those "shadow laws" for remission of sins are abolished. It is that they are fulfilled in Christ to who they pointed to *John 1:29 and are continued in him under the new ministration of the new covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6. If we sin today we no longer need a Levitical Priest, animal sacrifices and an earthly Sanctuary. We through faith believe the promises of God's word for forgiveness *1 John 1:9 in God's perfect sacrifice in Jesus for the sins of the world *John 1:29 once and for all *Hebrews 10:10 and his new ministration as our great High Priest making intercession on our behalf for us *Hebrews 7:25.

Bible Highlighter said:

The Sabbath is an ordinance according to Isaiah. Colossians 2:16 tells us that we are not to let other people judge us on matters of the Sabbaths. Meaning, if we do not keep the Sabbath, I am not going to let another judge me on how I do not keep it.

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That claim is not true at all and is not biblical. The Sabbath commandment of Gods 10 commandments is not an ordinance whatsoever. There is nowhere in Isaiah 58:2 or scripture anywhere in the bible that says that the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments *Exodus 20:8-11 is an "ordinance". That would be impossible as an "ordinance" in the Hebrew is a judgement for obedience or disobedience to a standard of right doing (moral law). All of God's 10 commandments are "moral laws" as they are the standard of right doing which is the very definition of "moral". Therefore an "ordinance" in the Hebrew "mishpat" מִשְׁפָּט is a judgement, sentence or penalty (e.g. death for sin) for obedience or disobedience to God's law (the standard of right doing). As posted in post # 173 already that you ignored, the Greek and Hebrew words for the English translations to "ordinance" have different meanings. For example "ordinance" used in Colossians 2:14 is "dogma" δόγμα and means civil; ceremonial or ecclesiastical law. Whereas "ordinance" in the Hebrew (Isaiah 58:2) is "mishpat" מִשְׁפָּט and means a judgement or sentence or penalty in regards to law or decisions of judgement. None of God's 10 commandments can be "ordinances" because they are the standard of righteousness (right doing) if obeyed and sin (missing the mark of the standard or wrong doing) if disobeyed. The "ordinance" or "mishpat" is the judgement or penalty for breaking God's laws of disobeyed and reward if obeyed (see Deuteronomy 28 on the blessings and the curses). What was nailed to the cross in was the judgements and condemnation for sin, the "mishpat" מִשְׁפָּט that was against us (penalty for sin - death Romans 6:23) and the old ministration for remission of sins.

Hope this helps..

Direct Driver said:

You seem to be hung up on words used in the English translation and ignore the actual contextual meaning of the words. "Jot" and "tittle" are not Hebrew words. They are English words. The actual Greek words in the NT there are ἰῶτα and κεραία and actually have a definition. Just perusing a Greek lexicon will clarify. And those words are in the NT, in Matthew 5:18. The message is pretty simple. Even the tiniest part will not pass away until...

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Jots and tittles is the translation into English. It is how I would communicate to you in how they are Hebrew words. While the gospels are written in Greek, jots and tittles is how I describe these Hebrew words in English.



Jesus said salvation was of the Jews.

Direct Driver said:

You seem to be hung up on words used in the English translation and ignore the actual contextual meaning of the words. "Jot" and "tittle" are not Hebrew words. They are English words. The actual Greek words in the NT there are ἰῶτα and κεραία and actually have a definition. Just perusing a Greek lexicon will clarify. And those words are in the NT, in Matthew 5:18. The message is pretty simple. Even the tiniest part will not pass away until...

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I believe God’s Word has been preserved in the world language of today (i.e. English) with KJB Cambridge Edition (circa 1900). It has proven to be just as divine as the original languages. To view evidences for the Word of God, check out my blogger article here:

Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God

To see my full list of reasons why I believe the KJB is the Word of God for today, check out this CF thread here:

30 reasons why the KJB is the divine and pure Word of God for today

Direct Driver said:

Yes. The important thing to take into account is the context, both within the chapter, within the book within the moment in history and within the culture from which it comes. Timothy was written before the NT was compiled. Scripture at that time would have been the OT. And "scripture" literally means "something written down". So, it was written down copies of the OT. and yes, it IS good for everything 2 Timothy 3 says.

Regarding "scripture inspired by God", I would ask the question, keeping in mind, "scripture" means something written down, what things that are written down are written by people inspired by God? Any 20th century writings? How about C. S. Lewis? How about any 19th, or 18th, or even 21st century writers? Frankly, I think it ALL is "profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness".

For me, it is really that simple. I think Bibles are very important. I think a Christian life lived without one is missing an important aspect of the Christian life. And I think the bible - both testaments - CONTAINS the word of God. It has both divine and human content.

Two examples of human content:
First (bold mine), 1 Corinthians 7:12 - "To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her."

This is not the word of God because, well, it clearly says it isn't.

Second, 1 Cor 11:15-16 - "Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering."

A lot of people have a hard time with this verse because, frankly, it doesn't make a lot of sense and sounds kinda cultural, but when you understand that Paul was well read and Hippocrates had a perspective on this that Paul was parroting, it suddenly makes complete sense. So, is it inspired by God, or by Hippocrates?

IMO, key to our relationship with our creator in the spiritual realm is prayer, and study of the words of other men seeking a relationship with our creator in the spiritual realm. That includes, as a first source, the bible, followed by the writings (scripture) of men inspired by God throughout the centuries. And it is all profitable for teaching, reproof, correction and for training in righteousness." And if one has a solid relationship with our Creator, it will become apparent which ones are true, and which ones are nonsense. Ultimately, the holy spirit is our guide, not anything written by any human being that claims to be inspired.

If the bible was, in fact, the "word of God", we'd only need one Gospel. That's how the Quoran and Book of Mormon work. One human source, claiming to be "inspired by God".

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Peter referred to Paul’s writings as Scripture.

But the Bible is not just another book. It is how we get our faith. 2 Timothy 3:16 would include all of NT Scripture; Scripture is not the writings of C.S. Lewis (who promoted witchcraft in his stories).

1 Thessalonians 2:13 says,
“For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.”

Fervent said:

The Bible doesn't state that it is the word of God, but it speaks of Scripture and how it has been invested with God's authority. When it comes down to it, accepting the Bible as the word of God is a matter of faith as well as necessity. If the Bible is not the word of God, we have no independent means of separating our own desires from God's will and will inevitably build God in our image rather than coming to know Him as He is. If we treat the Bible as just another book, we become judges over it and can then accept and reject the pieces we agree and disagree with. Yet if we take it as the word of God, we must wrestle with those bits that rub against our desires and in so doing are formed into what God desires of us. The Bible isn't simply a manual of instructions, but an indispensable tool for shaping us as people and it only operates as such if we accept it as the authentic word of God in which His authority has been placed.

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There is not a single Scripture that states that the Bible is the Word of God, not one! On the other hand, there are numerous Scriptures that state that Jesus is the Word of God. The Word of God is His name, His title. Scripture is called Scripture, or it has a name on the cover saying Bible. Don't give Jesus' name to the book that God so graciously gave us. If you do call the Bible the Word of God, then when you're reading Scripture and you read that the Word of God.... how do you know whether it's talking about Jesus or Scripture? For example, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. Do you hear your Bible or do you hear Jesus? You read your Bible, you listen to Jesus. Also, consider Hebrews 4.12. Is this talking about Scripture or Jesus? I have seen many many people hold up their bibles quoting this Scripture, but it is Jesus who is living and powerful etc. He is the discerner of our thoughts and the intents of our hearts. So you can see how confusing it gets when you call the Bible by the name given to Jesus. Did you know that there are over 100 instances of the Word of God came speaking to people in the Old Testament, the first of which is found in Genesis 15.1?

onefollows said:

There is not a single Scripture that states that the Bible is the Word of God, not one! On the other hand, there are numerous Scriptures that state that Jesus is the Word of God. The Word of God is His name, His title. Scripture is called Scripture, or it has a name on the cover saying Bible. Don't give Jesus' name to the book that God so graciously gave us. If you do call the Bible the Word of God, then when you're reading Scripture and you read that the Word of God.... how do you know whether it's talking about Jesus or Scripture? For example, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. Do you hear your Bible or do you hear Jesus? You read your Bible, you listen to Jesus. Also, consider Hebrews 4.12. Is this talking about Scripture or Jesus? I have seen many many people hold up their bibles quoting this Scripture, but it is Jesus who is living and powerful etc. He is the discerner of our thoughts and the intents of our hearts. So you can see how confusing it gets when you call the Bible by the name given to Jesus. Did you know that there are over 100 instances of the Word of God came speaking to people in the Old Testament, the first of which is found in Genesis 15.1?

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Whether it is explicitly called the word of God or not, the authority of Scripture is clear. As for your mention of Romans 10:17, we can distinguish by the original languages. Jesus is the logos of God, which has been translated as word but has a broader meaning. But Romans 10:17 uses the word hrema which is distinct from logos. Where logos is used in Greek we have to look at context and other grammatical features such as if it is in the genitive case as Jesus as Logos is going to be in the accusative or nominative. In Hebrews it's not speaking about the written word, nor Jesus, but about God's declarations. Jesus as the Word of God is a different, more complete, concept from Scripture as the word of God, but neither can be dismissed and the faith left in tact.

Johnny4ChristJesus said:

Where in the Bible does it say that "The Book" is the "Word of God"?

I see where Jesus Christ is the Word of God.
I see where God speaks the Word of God within the Bible.
I can see a declaration of historical facts as considered The Word of God.

But, where does it say that The Bible is the Word of God?

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Good topic.
I scanned through a few pages, but not all of it.
Did anyone manage to prove that the Bible is "the Word of God"?

1 Thessalonians 2:13 says
“For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.”

This to me is very clear that this is in reference to the “communicated Word of God” (Which can be either in reference to the spoken Word of God or Scripture). For it compares the Word of God as not being like that of the words of men.

But I am sure those who are die hard to not see the Word of God as being reference to Scripture (or the Bible) will find a way to undo the plain normal reading of this verse.

Side Note:

Yes, I am not doubting that the apostles were speaking a verbal form of the Word of God here, but they were preaching the gospel and the gospel is recorded in Scripture. Without Scripture, we would not know about the gospel.

Saint Steven said:

Good topic.
I scanned through a few pages, but not all of it.
Did anyone manage to prove that the Bible is "the Word of God"?

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Proverbs 30:5, and Luke 4:4 are some really good ones. It says EVERY word of God. So if this is in reference to Jesus then there must be multiple Jesus’s out there.

Direct Driver said:

Yes. The important thing to take into account is the context, both within the chapter, within the book within the moment in history and within the culture from which it comes. Timothy was written before the NT was compiled. Scripture at that time would have been the OT. And "scripture" literally means "something written down". So, it was written down copies of the OT. and yes, it IS good for everything 2 Timothy 3 says.

Regarding "scripture inspired by God", I would ask the question, keeping in mind, "scripture" means something written down, what things that are written down are written by people inspired by God? Any 20th century writings? How about C. S. Lewis? How about any 19th, or 18th, or even 21st century writers? Frankly, I think it ALL is "profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness".

For me, it is really that simple. I think Bibles are very important. I think a Christian life lived without one is missing an important aspect of the Christian life. And I think the bible - both testaments - CONTAINS the word of God. It has both divine and human content.

Two examples of human content:
First (bold mine), 1 Corinthians 7:12 - "To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her."

This is not the word of God because, well, it clearly says it isn't.

Second, 1 Cor 11:15-16 - "Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering."

A lot of people have a hard time with this verse because, frankly, it doesn't make a lot of sense and sounds kinda cultural, but when you understand that Paul was well read and Hippocrates had a perspective on this that Paul was parroting, it suddenly makes complete sense. So, is it inspired by God, or by Hippocrates?

IMO, key to our relationship with our creator in the spiritual realm is prayer, and study of the words of other men seeking a relationship with our creator in the spiritual realm. That includes, as a first source, the bible, followed by the writings (scripture) of men inspired by God throughout the centuries. And it is all profitable for teaching, reproof, correction and for training in righteousness." And if one has a solid relationship with our Creator, it will become apparent which ones are true, and which ones are nonsense. Ultimately, the holy spirit is our guide, not anything written by any human being that claims to be inspired.

If the bible was, in fact, the "word of God", we'd only need one Gospel. That's how the Quoran and Book of Mormon work. One human source, claiming to be "inspired by God".

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In 1 Corinthians 7:12, Paul is not saying that his words are not authorized Scripture in this particular instance. He is merely saying that he did not receive this particular advice directly from the Lord Jesus Himself. It does not mean that his words in Scripture (at this particular point) are any less inspired than other portions of Scripture.

Direct Driver said:

Yes. The important thing to take into account is the context, both within the chapter, within the book within the moment in history and within the culture from which it comes. Timothy was written before the NT was compiled. Scripture at that time would have been the OT. And "scripture" literally means "something written down". So, it was written down copies of the OT. and yes, it IS good for everything 2 Timothy 3 says.

Regarding "scripture inspired by God", I would ask the question, keeping in mind, "scripture" means something written down, what things that are written down are written by people inspired by God? Any 20th century writings? How about C. S. Lewis? How about any 19th, or 18th, or even 21st century writers? Frankly, I think it ALL is "profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness".

For me, it is really that simple. I think Bibles are very important. I think a Christian life lived without one is missing an important aspect of the Christian life. And I think the bible - both testaments - CONTAINS the word of God. It has both divine and human content.

Two examples of human content:
First (bold mine), 1 Corinthians 7:12 - "To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her."

This is not the word of God because, well, it clearly says it isn't.

Second, 1 Cor 11:15-16 - "Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering."

A lot of people have a hard time with this verse because, frankly, it doesn't make a lot of sense and sounds kinda cultural, but when you understand that Paul was well read and Hippocrates had a perspective on this that Paul was parroting, it suddenly makes complete sense. So, is it inspired by God, or by Hippocrates?

IMO, key to our relationship with our creator in the spiritual realm is prayer, and study of the words of other men seeking a relationship with our creator in the spiritual realm. That includes, as a first source, the bible, followed by the writings (scripture) of men inspired by God throughout the centuries. And it is all profitable for teaching, reproof, correction and for training in righteousness." And if one has a solid relationship with our Creator, it will become apparent which ones are true, and which ones are nonsense. Ultimately, the holy spirit is our guide, not anything written by any human being that claims to be inspired.

If the bible was, in fact, the "word of God", we'd only need one Gospel. That's how the Quoran and Book of Mormon work. One human source, claiming to be "inspired by God".

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1 Corinthians 11:15-16 is inspired Scripture. Whether or not Paul quoted a secular author is not relevant. 2 Timothy 3:16 says all Scripture is inspired by God and not just some Scripture is inspired by God. The Holy Bible is Scripture according to most Christians. Is there any proof that the Bible is holy as the cover says? Yes. There are tons of evidences that back up the Bible. The Book of Mormon and the Quran are jokes by comparison to the Holy Bible.

Is the Bible truly God’s Word?

Our answer to this question will not only determine how we view the Bible and its importance to our lives, but also it will ultimately have an eternal impact on us. If the Bible is truly God’s Word, then we should cherish it, study it, obey it, and fully trust it. If the Bible is the Word of God, then to dismiss it is to dismiss God Himself.

The fact that God gave us the Bible is an evidence and illustration of His love for us. The term “revelation” simply means that God communicated to mankind what He is like and how we can have a right relationship with Him. These are things that we could not have known had God not divinely revealed them to us in the Bible. Although God’s revelation of Himself in the Bible was given progressively over approximately 1500 years, it has always contained everything man needs to know about God in order to have a right relationship with Him. If the Bible is truly the Word of God, then it is the final authority for all matters of faith, religious practice, and morals.

The question we must ask ourselves is how can we know that the Bible is the Word of God and not just a good book? What is unique about the Bible that sets it apart from all other religious books ever written? Is there any evidence that the Bible is truly God’s Word? These types of questions must be seriously examined if we are to determine the validity of the Bible’s claim to be the very Word of God, divinely inspired, and totally sufficient for all matters of faith and practice. There can be no doubt that the Bible does claim to be the very Word of God. This is clearly seen in Paul’s commendation to Timothy: “… from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:15-17).

There are both internal and external evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word. The internal evidences are those things within the Bible that testify of its divine origin. One of the first internal evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word is seen in its unity. Even though it is really sixty-six individual books, written on three continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more than 40 authors who came from many walks of life, the Bible remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction. This unity is unique from all other books and is evidence of the divine origin of the words which God moved men to record.

Another of the internal evidences that indicates the Bible is truly God’s Word is the prophecies contained within its pages. The Bible contains hundreds of detailed prophecies relating to the future of individual nations including Israel, certain cities, and mankind. Other prophecies concern the coming of One who would be the Messiah, the Savior of all who would believe in Him. Unlike the prophecies found in other religious books or those by men such as Nostradamus, biblical prophecies are extremely detailed. There are over three hundred prophecies concerning Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. Not only was it foretold where He would be born and His lineage, but also how He would die and that He would rise again. There simply is no logical way to explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible other than by divine origin. There is no other religious book with the extent or type of predictive prophecy that the Bible contains.

A third internal evidence of the divine origin of the Bible is its unique authority and power. While this evidence is more subjective than the first two, it is no less a powerful testimony of the divine origin of the Bible. The Bible’s authority is unlike any other book ever written. This authority and power are best seen in the way countless lives have been transformed by the supernatural power of God’s Word. Drug addicts have been cured by it, homosexuals set free by it, derelicts and deadbeats transformed by it, hardened criminals reformed by it, sinners rebuked by it, and hate turned to love by it. The Bible does possess a dynamic and transforming power that is only possible because it is truly God’s Word.

There are also external evidences that indicate the Bible is truly the Word of God. One is the historicity of the Bible. Because the Bible details historical events, its truthfulness and accuracy are subject to verification like any other historical document. Through both archaeological evidences and other writings, the historical accounts of the Bible have been proven time and time again to be accurate and true. In fact, all the archaeological and manuscript evidence supporting the Bible makes it the best-documented book from the ancient world. The fact that the Bible accurately and truthfully records historically verifiable events is a great indication of its truthfulness when dealing with religious subjects and doctrines and helps substantiate its claim to be the very Word of God.

Another external evidence that the Bible is truly God’s Word is the integrity of its human authors. As mentioned earlier, God used men from many walks of life to record His words. In studying the lives of these men, we find them to be honest and sincere. The fact that they were willing to die often excruciating deaths for what they believed testifies that these ordinary yet honest men truly believed God had spoken to them. The men who wrote the New Testament and many hundreds of other believers (1 Corinthians 15:6) knew the truth of their message because they had seen and spent time with Jesus Christ after He had risen from the dead. Seeing the risen Christ had a tremendous impact on them. They went from hiding in fear to being willing to die for the message God had revealed to them. Their lives and deaths testify to the fact that the Bible truly is God’s Word.

A final external evidence that the Bible is truly God’s Word is the indestructibility of the Bible. Because of its importance and its claim to be the very Word of God, the Bible has suffered more vicious attacks and attempts to destroy it than any other book in history. From early Roman Emperors like Diocletian, through communist dictators and on to modern-day atheists and agnostics, the Bible has withstood and outlasted all of its attackers and is still today the most widely published book in the world.

Throughout time, skeptics have regarded the Bible as mythological, but archeology has confirmed it as historical. Opponents have attacked its teaching as primitive and outdated, but its moral and legal concepts and teachings have had a positive influence on societies and cultures throughout the world. It continues to be attacked by pseudo-science, psychology, and political movements, yet it remains just as true and relevant today as it was when it was first written. It is a book that has transformed countless lives and cultures throughout the last 2000 years. No matter how its opponents try to attack, destroy, or discredit it, the Bible remains; its veracity and impact on lives is unmistakable. The accuracy which has been preserved despite every attempt to corrupt, attack, or destroy it is clear testimony to the fact that the Bible is truly God’s Word and is supernaturally protected by Him. It should not surprise us that, no matter how the Bible is attacked, it always comes out unchanged and unscathed. After all, Jesus said, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Mark 13:31). After looking at the evidence, one can say without a doubt that, yes, the Bible is truly God’s Word.


Source:
Is the Bible truly God’s Word? | GotQuestions.org

Bible Highlighter said:

Jots and tittles is the translation into English. It is how I would communicate to you in how they are Hebrew words. While the gospels are written in Greek, jots and tittles is how I describe these Hebrew words in English.

Jesus said salvation was of the Jews.

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Please, understand this as a generic statement and not a personal slam:

I think we all, from time to time, get so lost "in the weeds" on bible study that we forget the general meaning of what we're reading. That is, we can't see the forest for the trees. I think "jot" and "tittle" have become nuances in the bark of a tree, and we're forgetting the meaning of the verse in question. IMO that meaning is that not even the most insignificant part of the law "will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished'. As long as we understand that "jot and tittle" refers to even "part's of letters of words", we're getting the point.

I really try to avoid violating 2 Timothy 2:23 and Titus 3:9, not to mention several other versus.

Bible Highlighter said:

I believe God’s Word has been preserved in the world language of today (i.e. English) with KJB Cambridge Edition (circa 1900). It has proven to be just as divine as the original languages. To view evidences for the Word of God, check out my blogger article here:

Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God

To see my full list of reasons why I believe the KJB is the Word of God for today, check out this CF thread here:

30 reasons why the KJB is the divine and pure Word of God for today

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Honestly, a KJV bible is somewhere between a modern English bible and a German bible for me. I have to use too much of my CPU (my brain) trying to decipher old figures of speech into modern English - my native tongue. The only thing I use it for is when studying other versions I may refer to it to see if there are differences. I switched from NIV to ESV a few years ago because the ESV is based on new manuscripts that didn't exist when the KJV was penned.

The KJV seems to have a lot of stuff that was added by (probably) well meaning scribes, but it's important to know which verses were, in fact, added.

Direct Driver said:

Please, understand this as a generic statement and not a personal slam:

I think we all, from time to time, get so lost "in the weeds" on bible study that we forget the general meaning of what we're reading. That is, we can't see the forest for the trees. I think "jot" and "tittle" have become nuances in the bark of a tree, and we're forgetting the meaning of the verse in question. IMO that meaning is that not even the most insignificant part of the law "will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished'. As long as we understand that "jot and tittle" refers to even "part's of letters of words", we're getting the point.

I really try to avoid violating 2 Timothy 2:23 and Titus 3:9, not to mention several other versus.

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Have you read Jesus post-resurrection explanation of Matthew 5:17 ? (see below) Nothing to do with "the law".

Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

Bible Highlighter said:

2 Timothy 3:16 would include all of NT Scripture;

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I can say we disagree on that point - or agree in that all things written down are "scripture".

1 Thessalonians 2:13 says,
“For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.”

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This uses past tense. It also says, "heard" rather than "read". Not to put too fine a point on it, but we don't know who the authors were of all the books of the bible. In fact, some make the case that the author of Hebrews was, in fact, Priscilla. And that NONE of the Pentateuch was written by Moses. And it is important to note that I'm not violating scripture if I were to make both claims, because neither contradicts the bible. And it is obvious in how the books in the Pentateuch were put together that at least SOME of it could not have been written by Moses. But it really doesn't matter. It was written by men inspired by God. That's the key.

All bibles have lots of flaws, and that's ok. They are both divine and human. And the human parts are flawed. Did the rooster crow once, or did it crow twice?

Bible Highlighter said:

In 1 Corinthians 7:12, Paul is not saying that his words are not authorized Scripture in this particular instance. He is merely saying that he did not receive this particular advice directly from the Lord Jesus Himself. It does not mean that his words in Scripture (at this particular point) are any less inspired than other portions of Scripture.

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I can only say that I disagree with your assertion. I think he is saying "this is not from God. This is from me." You are then free to "make of it what you will". Paul is not God. Paul is a man inspired by Jesus. But he's not the only one. There are men alive today that are inspired by Jesus. You probably are. But I'm not stapling your posts to the back of my bible.

Saint Steven said:

Have you read Jesus post-resurrection explanation of Matthew 5:17 ? (see below) Nothing to do with "the law".

Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

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You're preaching to the choir on that one.

Bible Highlighter said:

1 Corinthians 11:15-16 is inspired Scripture. Whether or not Paul quoted a secular author is not relevant. 2 Timothy 3:16 says all Scripture is inspired by God and not just some Scripture is inspired by God. The Holy Bible is Scripture according to most Christians. Is there any proof that the Bible is holy as the cover says? Yes. There are tons of evidences that back up the Bible. The Book of Mormon and the Quran are jokes by comparison to the Holy Bible.

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Define "scripture".

Who made the decision to print "holy" on the cover of a bible? Are any of those decision makers quoted in the bible? Is anything they wrote down considered "scripture" and included in the bible?

"Holy" means "separate". I believe that the bible is "separate" from all other writings. However, different Christian congregations include different collections of books in their scripture. In fact, the book of 1 Enoch is quoted in the NT, but it is not considered canon. Does that mean we throw out those verses that quote it, or does 1 Enoch become canon? My answer is this: It is not canon, but it is important, or they would not have quoted it. And it DOES offer a lot of clarification on Genesis 6. Therefore I highly recommend reading it.

And I support it with this example: If a modern preacher used a scene in Star Wars to amplify a point, you would better understand the amplification if you actually had seen Star Wars.