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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Johnny4ChristJesus, Oct 21, 2018.

  1. Johnny4ChristJesus

    Johnny4ChristJesus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Where in the Bible does it say that "The Book" is the "Word of God"?

    I see where Jesus Christ is the Word of God.
    I see where God speaks the Word of God within the Bible.
    I can see a declaration of historical facts as considered The Word of God.

    But, where does it say that The Bible is the Word of God?
     
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  2. HTacianas

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    Don't confuse Jesus as the "Word" of God with the bible as the word of God. It's two completely different concepts.

    The bible is the written word of God in that the Church chose those books not contradicting the teachings of Christianity as the written word.
     
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  3. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    But, the written word isn't always "The Word of God" in that sometimes people say stuff about God and/or a situation and what they said is shared in the Bible, but not intended to be an authoritative declaration--because it is an error they spoke that is recorded. For instance, what Job's friends say.

    An honest and true testimony is what God presents in Scripture, but not all of what is in Scripture represents Him correctly. It is imperative to know what is the Word of God and what is a false voice speaking about God within the confines of Scripture. That was my point, unless someone could invalidate that with a Scripture I am missing.
     
  4. Acts2:38

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    2 Timothy 3:16-17
     
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  5. Danthemailman

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    Yes, Jesus is the Living Word (John 1:1) and the Bible is the written Word (2 Timothy 3:16-17). All scripture is inspired by God-God breathed.
     
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  6. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    "And that from a child you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise unto salvation through faith which is in Jesus Christ. All Scripture is given by the inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect/complete, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Tim 3:15-17)

    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Same was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made. (John 1:1-3)

    I agree with all these Scriptures! I also understand that the living Word of God, Jesus Christ, is much bigger than the written Word we call the Bible. John even said:

    "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you might have life through His Name." (John 20:30-1) "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen" (John 21:25)

    "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."--Jesus (John 6:63)

    I don't refute the value of Scripture--even words that are spoken in error by men and just shared by God as part of an honest testimony.

    But, if God doesn't accept what Job's friends say about Him, should we? OR should we learn from what they said (according to God's honest testimony of even errors spoken about Him) and God's chastisement that it wasn't correct, and not do what they did?

    Sometimes we don't mean what we say, because we don't think through the implications of what we are saying. I am not de-valuing Scripture at all. I love Scripture. I believe that All our Scripture (writings in the Bible) are Inspired by God and that includes Him honestly sharing what men--who have not spoken correctly--have said about Him.
     
  7. BNR32FAN

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    Jesus was quoting the scriptures when He was tempted by satan in the wilderness when He said man does not live by bread alone but from every word that comes from the mouth of God.
     
  8. BNR32FAN

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    But we can see in the context what is from God and what isn’t. The message itself is from God. If the parts of the story that are not strictly God’s words are omitted we wouldn’t have the full story or message it was intended to bring us.
     
  9. Akita Suggagaki

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    I think sometimes we seeek to make decision making easy for ourselves, as in the Bible's is the verbatim word of God literally...case closed, jus accept it.

    But it is all much more complex than that. The Bible is a collection of many different genres of "inspired" literature. Even within the Bible we must still seek out the "Word of God" and tha takes study, reflection, prayer and sometimes scripture commentary.
     
  10. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    I wholeheartedly agree with you! That was my point.

    There are people who quote from sections of the Book of Job that God denounces in later chapters. They quote as if they are speaking the Word of God. But they are speaking the errant words of men within the Word of God. I think it is incredibly important we know whether the inspired Word, as shared in full context, is to be attributed to a man in error or a godly man truly inspired to say what He said or God Himself.

    And Jesus didn't quote jezebel's words. He quoted God's Words. Jezebel's words, though recorded in Scripture, do not have life in them. God's Words have life, never return void, are watched over to be preformed, and inspire faith.
     
  11. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    Thank you for sharing. I think differently, but that probably comes from underlying differences, given your distinction of being Catholic and mine as being Christian. For instance, I don't use "inspired" in quotes. I went to a seminary once that would have done that.

    I believe the Bible is wholly inspired from beginning to end. But, within that inspiration, some of it is simply sharing errant words spoken by uninspired men or bad choices and the resultant outcomes. They are shared to make God's Testimony complete, not to suggest we repeat them as if they are "of God".
     
  12. dqhall

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    One who is truthful may find both life’s inspiration in the Bible and sin in the Bible.

    Paul wrote in Romans 8:2
    For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.

    If the Bible was perfect, the teachers of the law (of Moses) would not have asked for the execution of Jesus Christ.
     
  13. Albion

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    You are letting terminology trick you. The Bible is the compilation of inspired writings as determined by the Church. It was not accomplished until the 4th century after Christ.

    But the writings themselves, which we call Scripture or Holy Scripture are what you are asking about, and the term word of God is indeed used of Scripture in a number of places in the Bible.
     
  14. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    DQ, I don't agree that the "Scripture isn't perfect" in what it communicates to us. I would argue that people's motives and predispositions (largely from traditions or lies taught out it) cause the less-than-perfect render of God's wholly-inspired Scriptures. The Scripture exposes their motives for their wrongful interpretations and desire to kill Him. God allowed it, because He had a bigger plan than they could see. He even had the high priest, who stood against Jesus, speak prophetically about a purpose for Jesus being allowed to die. Jesus Himself, who never lied, said himself in the Scriptures that He could have asked the Father who would have sent more than 12 legions of angels to rescue Him.

    I believe God wanted us to wrestle with the Scriptures for a purpose. We all know that He could have much more clearly said what He had to say, if He had so chosen.
     
  15. Karola

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    Jesus was limited as to what he could tell his disciples, according to his own words:
    I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. John16:12&13
     
  16. dqhall

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    You may wrestle with scriptures requiring burnt offerings of bulls, rams and doves. You may look for Levites to pay ten percent to as if they are inspired by God. Jesus taught us to not resist violence and to turn the other cheek. He did make a whip of cords to drive out those selling animals for sacrifice and the money changers. Jesus told Peter to put away his sword, for all who live by the sword will die by the sword. The scripture declared all who eat shrimp are unclean, but those who eat tuna are clean in as much as they have fins and scales. Tuna have higher levels of mercury. The Bible declared Moses ordered someone executed for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. Jesus declared, “Blessed are the merciful, for they will obtain mercy.” If you should reach a fork in the road and are not sure what way to go, will God provide direction? God is more than a book.
     
  17. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    I wholeheartedly agree with that. Just so nobody misinterprets what I was saying, I don't believe the lie that The Bible is the "perfect" in "when that which is perfect is come".
     
  18. dqhall

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    Good point. I have read the Bible over the course of decades. I did not throw it in the trash. This morning I woke up thinking I was supposed to read, “The Gospel According to John.” There may be better callings, but this on my to do list today. Good passage leads to good passage.
     
  19. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    I do agree with your conclusion that God is MUCH MORE than the book we call The Bible! The Word of God is much more than what we call The Bible--even though we may refer to that collection of Scriptures as "The Word of God" as well. In fact, the Bible hardly scratches the surface regarding our amazing God.

    However, I don't find fault with what God said, because it appears there are contradictions. I simply understand that the Truth is deeper. "it is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the glory of kings to seek it out." "Jacob wrestled with God." "Abraham believed God" [even when everything he could see appeared to contradict what God said to him).

    I don't believe God lies. If I believed He did, how could I trust His promises. I don't believe, with the way God talks about Moses, that Moses gave anything less than exactly what God told him to give to people who didn't want to converse with God directly. In one place, Jesus even explained why Moses said something that appeared to be in contradiction to what Jesus was saying God always intended--with regards to divorce. Jesus didn't say that as if to condemn Moses for violating the direction of God, but as if He had God's approval to do it and why it was allowed. If there are things that appear to be contradictions, it is because His thoughts are higher and His ways are higher; not because God couldn't get it right or because His chosen servants corrupted what He said or did.

    God has made it abundantly clear that He wants a relationship with us. If Scripture didn't require His involvement anymore, that would defeat His very purpose in communicating with us.
     
  20. Acts2:38

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    Please don't misunderstand my quotation of 2 Tim 3:16-17. I never meant to question you about refuting scripture. You asked a simple question that had a simple answer. Your OP question was direct and was answered direct.

    This is where you are straying from your simple OP question. The bible records many many different scenarios of things that are "wrong" to do and "right" to do. Wrong and right attitudes. Wrong and right decisions. So on and so forth.

    The simple fact of the matter is the bible IS in fact inspired by God and IS in fact the word of God.

    Think of the bible this way...

    B- basic
    I- instructions
    B- before
    L- Leaving
    E- earth

    God has His word for us in written form on how we are to conduct ourselves so that we can have salvation and eternal life with Him. To not obey, has consequences, and the bible has examples all throughout of the "wrong" way to do things and the "right" way to do things.

    Alas, that was not your MAIN OP question. Your root, starting question was....

    To which the answer is 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

    I hope this helps.
     
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