4,100 people died Jan 6th of the coronavirus

Redwingfan9 said:

You have zero evidence that this is the case.

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Had and posted it before...

JohnDB said:

Had and posted it before...

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There is zero evidence that immunity only lasts 6 months. Other than a handful of people who have allegedly gotten the virus twice, there is no evidence that this is happening on a mass scale.

The Liturgist said:

My medical doctor is of the opinion that the draconian measures being used to control the spread of the virus are doing more harm than good, and is a proponent of the approach Sweden is taking, as am I. It is also his considered opinion, looking at the statistics, that a large percentage of Covid fatalities are people who were already at substantial risk of death due to advanced age, and that Covid merely accelerated it.

The greatest cruelty inflicted on us by this dreadful virus is the inability of hospital patients, regardless of whether or not they have covid-19, to be attended by their relations at the bedside, even if those relations test negative for Covid or have been vaccinated.

Colophon:

The key to containing Covid will ultimately be the large scale distribution of the vaccine. This must be done as swiftly as possible; the current slow pace of the rollout runs the risk of the virus mutating in such a way as to reduce vaccine efficacy. That said, President Trump and the Rt. Hon. Boris Johnson deserve a great deal of credit for Operation Warp Speed in the US and similar initiatives in the UK which have greatly expedited the development and release of the vaccine.

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Your Dr. is draconian.

I've posted this before---people who fear some sort of government control because of wearing masks are the problem. This would have not gone as far as it has if everyone had complied with the wearing of masks and hand washing with the social distancing--it would have gone by now. There was no government control after the influenza outbreak in 1918 when people went to jail and were actually shot for not wearing one! And democracy did not die!!

Redwingfan9 said:

There is zero evidence that immunity only lasts 6 months. Other than a handful of people who have allegedly gotten the virus twice, there is no evidence that this is happening on a mass scale.

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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30764-7/fulltext

Under "Findings"
Genomic analysis of SARS-CoV-2 showed genetically significant differences between each variant associated with each instance of infection. The second infection was symptomatically more severe than the first.

Study: COVID antibodies may fend off reinfection for 6 months

which suggests that previous infection resulting in antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 is associated with protection from reinfection for most people for at least 6 months," they said.
These are TWO of many different studies that are focused on Coronavirus re-infection.
You said there was no proof...
I just provided two inside of ten minutes of a google search.

JohnDB said:

Christmas boom...
Lots of people went to parties and family get togethers anyway despite the warnings.

And it's showing.

It will keep up until February.

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Yep, politicians are indeed hypocrites.

Early treatment to prevent hospitalizations and reduce the severity of the disease is a topic that needs more discussion than it's getting, as is strengthening your immune system with supplements, such as vitamin D3, vitamin C, Zinc, and Quercetin. This being in addition to the mitigation strategies, by the way.

tulc said:

...it's news so I posted it.
tulc(kind of thought that was the point of a forum called "current news and events")

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I am just reaching the point of exhaustion with death reports, is there any positive news out there that you can find, some of us would appreciate something encouraging.

DavidPT said:

What ever happened to influenza? No one ever gets sick from that anymore? No one ever dies from that anymore? Anyone that gets sick now, anyone that dies now, it is from coronavirus??

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Thus may help explain.
COVID-19 Is Surging but Flu Cases Are Down: Here's Why

tulc said:

21,857,616 cases
369,990 deaths
13,024,142 recovered
4,100 deaths Jan 6th

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Deaths so far in the USA ( as of January 9th ), the worst -hit country that we know of:
379,000 since things started just over a year ago.
Over 89 million reported cases worldwide, 64 million recovered and 1.9 million deaths.

Compare that to over 675,000 during the H1N1 outbreak of 1918-19 and over 50 million deaths, worldwide.

Question:
How many people in the world died of tuberculosis that day?
"Old age"?
AIDS?
Influenza?
Suicide?
Smoking and smoking-related illnesses?
Alcohol abuse?
Cancer?
Abortion?
Traffic accidents?
Drug abuse?
War?
Murder?
Malnutrition?
Yellow fever?
Malaria? = 409,000 in 2019: Fact sheet about Malaria
Cholera? = 21,000 to 143,000 each year: Cholera
Hepatitus? = 1.34 million in 2015: Viral hepatitis: a hidden killer gains visibility

Spend some time at the WHO website, and I think many of you will get an idea of just how precarious life is on this planet.

Also,
You've pointed out a website that I spotted sometime ago that I have found valuable ( perhaps not completely accurate, but it gives me an idea of numbers ) and also sheds light on the seriousness ( or lack of ) of this, the 8th "coronavirus" on record:

Worldometer - real time world statistics

@tulc :
My point?

Covid-19 is not the killer that they thought it was going to be when it first started.
In fact, when it first started ( or was estimated to have started ) in December of 2019, most health professionals did not panic about it and it took several months for the concerns to mount.

Now it seems that the world's reaction to it is at an all-time high, despite the facts...
It has a roughly 1% ( if not less ) mortality rate;
Not based on tested results, but based on estimates and factors like being asymptomatic and still carrying it...like people with tuberculosis and many other pathogens and "bugs" do.

In addition, there are many other illnesses and causes of deaths that, when taken together, result in a very bad picture for people who are doing their best not to die...
Yet those same illnesses and causes of death are seemingly "swept under the rug" everyday as just being "normal".

For example,
There is no "lockdown" for HIV, even though it has gone on since I was a young man in the early 1980's, there is no vaccine for it ( there are only treatments that slow it's effects ), over 42 million people worldwide have it ( that we know of ) and over 1 million people worldwide die from complications caused by it every year.

As another example,
There is no "lockdown" for influenza, even though 3,500 people, on average, die in my home state of Illinois in the USA...every year.

As a third example,
There is no "lockdown" for tuberculosis, even though 1.4 million died of it in 2019, perhaps as many as 1/4th of the world's population carries it and millions are ( or have been ) exposed to it without even knowing it...
and it can be spread by coughing and other means: Tuberculosis (TB)


But because SARS-CoV2 is new and there is ( or was ) no vaccine for it, the reaction to it by those who trust in themselves and man's medical knowledge ( rather than trusting in the Lord ), has been anything but rational, IMO.

My conclusion is this:
In the end, SARS CoV2 is just one more reason that we as believers in Jesus Christ have to seek the Lord and to rely on Him for not only our health, but for every good thing that we have in this world ( James 1:17 ).

JohnDB said:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30764-7/fulltext

Under "Findings"
Genomic analysis of SARS-CoV-2 showed genetically significant differences between each variant associated with each instance of infection. The second infection was symptomatically more severe than the first.

Study: COVID antibodies may fend off reinfection for 6 months

which suggests that previous infection resulting in antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 is associated with protection from reinfection for most people for at least 6 months," they said.
These are TWO of many different studies that are focused on Coronavirus re-infection.
You said there was no proof...
I just provided two inside of ten minutes of a google search.

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Allow me to jump in on the conversation between redwingfan9 and JohnDB

JohnDB has found a central article, describing the phenomenon of reinfection with covid. It can be found in the article, that to its date there were 4 reported cases worldwide of reinfection.
To think the focus this has received in the media, considering the odds - 4 out of 300 million.

Then they seemingly ascribe the reinfection to changes in the virus. Problem is that this is an N=1 case, so anything can be alleged. Wont go into depth, but really one can not draw much from an N=1 case. It could just as well be loss of memory T-cells or whatever. It can be with the patient, with the virus, or maybe something else.

Blessed sunday, Peter

PeterDona said:

Allow me to jump in on the conversation between redwingfan9 and JohnDB

JohnDB has found a central article, describing the phenomenon of reinfection with covid. It can be found in the article, that to its date there were 4 reported cases worldwide of reinfection.
To think the focus this has received in the media, considering the odds - 4 out of 300 million.

Then they seemingly ascribe the reinfection to changes in the virus. Problem is that this is an N=1 case, so anything can be alleged. Wont go into depth, but really one can not draw much from an N=1 case. It could just as well be loss of memory T-cells or whatever. It can be with the patient, with the virus, or maybe something else.

Blessed sunday, Peter

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I can't give out patient information...
But I'm telling you that very much so that natural immunity only lasts 6-8 months...
Where Vaccine can provide immunity for much longer. It's not the first time that Vaccines provide better immunity than the virus.
And currently many people who caught the virus early on in the pandemic are catching it again. Even if both strains aren't identical the Vaccines seem to be protecting against the newer strains... except for the African variant which is novel in itself. New spike proteins...but Im not sure if it's got the R-naught factor that the current plague has.

Either way... second time around is not an enjoyable experience. And here in Nashville it is beginning to become widely known... mostly from personal experience.
This city is full of sick people.

JohnDB said:

I'm telling you that very much so that natural immunity only lasts 6-8 months...

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I had the impression it would last for many years. Reason being that that is what immunity normally does. And because the youtube doctor referenced a chinese study that those who had had SARS 1 in 2004-5 were still immune to covid in 2020. And because some doctors had confirmed the covid mutated at least 10 times slower than influenza. So those were my impressions.
I am not at my home pc, so will not be able to give references here.

Green Sun said:

All of these deaths were preventable. This is beyond tragedy.

Wear a mask, stay home, save lives. Please.

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No it wasn't. The entire world is suffering from this and even in the most restrictive places it's climbing. This disease is unstoppable and many of the measure are placebos. The vaccine is the thing that will stop it.

mmksparbud said:

I've posted this before---people who fear some sort of government control because of wearing masks are the problem. This would have not gone as far as it has if everyone had complied with the wearing of masks and hand washing with the social distancing--it would have gone by now. There was no government control after the influenza outbreak in 1918 when people went to jail and were actually shot for not wearing one! And democracy did not die!!

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Is that supposed to be some sort of excuse for government control? It was wrong then and it's wrong now. Posting inappropriate actions by goverenment then and saying they did it then so it okay to do it now is not helpful. Throughout history government has done thing in the US at times that they shouldn't have. You think if they started shooting people with COVID that would fly?