GOD'S DIETARY LAWS AND BAT SOUP STEW - COVID 19

Jipsah · Dec 11, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Good point 1213, although Acts of the Apostles 10:15 is not talking about clean and unclean meat but is in reference to Gentiles now being clean in God's eyes and has nothing to do with God making unclean foods clean. The context of Acts 10:15 is shown in Acts of the Apostles 10:14-28 showing that the reference here is to Gentile believers.

So Peter was to arise, kill, and eat the Gentiles? Dang, that's harsh!

Jipsah · Dec 11, 2020

mmksparbud said:
That is not the subject at hand---it is the meaning of Peter's vision. Which is decidedly about people and not food.

Kill and eat? Sorry, ain't buying it. That's your dogma talking.

mmksparbud · Dec 11, 2020

Jipsah said:
Kill and eat? Sorry, ain't buying it. That's your dogma talking.

You don't have to---it's only Peter that had the vision and Peter who declared what it all meant and he clearly said what it meant. You are free to believe whatever you want. God does not hold a gun to your head, He just gives us the scriptures and we answer to no one but Him at the end of it all. You can tell Him all about why you rejected His word---it will have no affect on me. Your dogma is obviously the correct one and I'm sure God will give your opinion it's due consideration.
After all---Peter did not understand the vision at first himself.

Act_10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean,"

And then said Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

But I am assuming you found the verse that Peter says "of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of meats."---Everyone has been looking for it, but has not found it yet, so maybe you can share it with us. Obviously, Peter has it all wrong.

LoveGodsWord · Dec 11, 2020

Jipsah said:
So Peter was to arise, kill, and eat the Gentiles? Dang, that's harsh!

WOW... that was your interpretation from the scripture? I knew there was a reason to prayerfully read God's Word asking for his guidance. Peter knew what the dream meant. It seems from your comment that you do not...

Acts of the Apostles 10:28 [28], And he said unto them, YOU KNOW THAT IT IS AN UNLAWFUL THING FOR A MAN THAT IS A JEW TO KEEP COMPANY, OR COME UNTO ONE OF ANOTHER NATION; BUT GOD HAS SHOWN ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANY MAN COMMON OR UNCLEAN

Hope this helps.

HIM · Dec 11, 2020

Jipsah said:
So Peter was to arise, kill, and eat the Gentiles? Dang, that's harsh!

What God had cleansed call thou not common is what the verse says. NO MENTION OF THE UNCLEAN being cleansed.

Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Please do not add what is not there.

LoveGodsWord · Dec 11, 2020

Jipsah said:
Acts 11:5-9 5I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me: 6Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 7And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat. 8But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth. 9But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

BTW, the "the Rona made the jump from animals to humans by people in China eating bats" is a crock. THere my be some people in China who eat bats, just as there may be some in the US who do. From my purely personal experience, the Chinese are little if any more enthusiastic about bats for supper than the average American. The story falls apart completely when you discover that there is a virology lab in Wuhan not a mile from the "wet market" where people were supposedly buying bats for a weekend grill-out, that that lab was working with corona viruses at the time, but that, of course, there was no way at all of that lab having released Covid-19 into the population through lax security or sloppy containment protocols. oh no no no no no! It was just a coincidence! It was them bats!

Right.

1 Corinthians 10:23-27 23All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. 24Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth. 25Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: 26For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. 27If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.

Actually no. Acts 10 has nothing to do with God saying that unclean foods are now clean. Peter had a vision from God showing him that Gentiles are not unclean. Peter did not interpret the vision given him as saying all unclean foods are now clean. His interpretation of the dream was that Gentiles are clean and it is ok to share the gospel with them. Here let's look at the detail in the scriptures...

Acts of the Apostles 10:1-28
1, There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, 2, A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God always. 3, He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius. 4, And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. 5, And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter: 6, He lodges with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what you should do. 7, And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually; 8, And when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.................

9, On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

10, And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12, Wherein were all manner of four footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13, And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

14, But Peter said, NOT SO LORD FOR I HAVE NEVER EATEN ANYTHING THAT IS UNCLEAN AND COMMON.

15, And the voice spake unto him again the second time, WHAT GOD HAS CLEANSED, THAT DO NOT CALL COMMON.

16, This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

17, Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

Now the question here to consider is what was it that God had cleansed and we should not call common, this is what Peter was thinking about. While Peter was thinking about what was the meaning of the vision The praying gentile that believed God was at his gate asking for Peter...

18, And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.

19, While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

20, Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

What was it that God was teaching Peter.....

27, And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.

28, And he said unto them, YOU KNOW THAT IT IS AN UNLAWFUL THING FOR A MAN THAT IS A JEW TO KEEP COMPANY, OR COME UNTO ONE OF ANOTHER NATION; BUT GOD HAS SHOWN ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANY MAN COMMON OR UNCLEAN

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CONCLUSION: The vision was not about saying that all foods are clean but that now all man are clean and that the Jewish believers can preach the Gospel to the Gentiles.

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BTW, no one knows if the jump of Rona from Bats to people was by people eating bats or not eating bats. So your message is one of silence. Fact is though it is a well known fact that CORONA-19 is in bats and people eat them in China. You work out how the virus made the jump.

Your welcome

LoveGodsWord · Dec 12, 2020

Some snacks anyone?

Are all things really now clean?

section9+1 · Dec 12, 2020

mmksparbud said:
You can think whatever you like. The fact is that God said if they followed those rules they would not get the diseases that the Egyptians got. And they did not so it definitely is about health. God made us and He knows what is best for us. Obviously, it messes with what you want to do so it is far easier to come up with your own ideas of what they are instead of just accepting what God said. Go ahead and ignore them, you will never answer to anyone but God--and He says--

1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

It's between you and God. We just pass on the info, reject it or not---your choice. I mean---after all---it was just a piece of fruit that God said not to eat. But Adam and Eve listened to someone else. God certainly wouldn't call eating a piece of fruit sin, now would He? Fruit is good for you, and thou shalt not surely die ---Listen to whomever you want.

It is between us and God. And I will reject the SDA views. They do not fit my understanding of scripture so why should I give them any accounting? I've heard them all before. You do not just pass on info. You insist upon requiring everyone to adopt what you believe and you insist upon applying your understanding onto the rest of us. And when we won't have it, you wave God at us. Sorry, but you offer a lesser gospel than what I already have. Why should I trade more for less?

HIM · Dec 12, 2020

1213 said:
Law is not abolished, but it may be that some things have been cleaned so that they are not anymore unclean.

… "What God has cleansed, you must not call unclean."
Acts 10:15

And that is why some people think it is ok to eat anything.

That is not the case though.

Two classes of animals mentioned in the vision. Common and unclean.

Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Only the common are mentioned as being cleansed.

Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

HIM · Dec 12, 2020

section9+1 said:
It is between us and God. And I will reject the SDA views. They do not fit my understanding of scripture so why should I give them any accounting? I've heard them all before. You do not just pass on info. You insist upon requiring everyone to adopt what you believe and you insist upon applying your understanding onto the rest of us. And when we won't have it, you wave God at us. Sorry, but you offer a lesser gospel than what I already have. Why should I trade more for less?

It is not a SDA view. It God's.

HIM · Dec 12, 2020

Bruce Leiter said:
Q1. No.
Q2. I can't read his mind, but I don't think so (below).
Q3. Isn't the question the other way around--an unclean meat become a clean meat today? Yes.

No, God never cleansed the unclean in the vision only the common.
Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

See Romans 14 for Paul's guidelines about disputable matters, including food, in order to determine the principles for dealing with those matters upon which Christians disagree.

Probably due to a bad translation you are misunderstanding Romans 14. The KJV translates the Greek word kionos unclean there. It shouldn't be. It should be translated common.

Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing common of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be common, to him it is common.

Acts 10 proves this. TWO types of animals are being let down before Peter. Common and unclean. There the Greek akathoros is used, that is the word for unclean. And It is used with the word for common.

Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common OR unclean.

The word "or" makes a distinction between the two.

section9+1 · Dec 12, 2020

HIM said:
It is not a SDA view. It God's.

That doesn't say much because I don't think there's ever been a church on the planet that has ever seen itself in opposition to the word of God.
John 5 says Jesus broke the Sabbath. God said that, too.

HIM · Dec 12, 2020

section9+1 said:
That doesn't say much because I don't think there's ever been a church on the planet that has ever seen itself in opposition to the word of God.
John 5 says Jesus broke the Sabbath. God said that, too.

You are mistaken if you think healing someone is a sin on the Sabbath.

LoveGodsWord · Dec 12, 2020

HIM said:
It is not a SDA view. It God's.

I think this is the key point here. It is God's Word and God's Word is for everyone. That said I am quite amazed to be honest reading this thread and seeing so many people of different faiths reading the bible for themselves agreeing with what God says. This has been quite surprising to me to be honest. Thanks for sharing HIM.

God bless

LoveGodsWord · Dec 12, 2020

section9+1 said:
That doesn't say much because I don't think there's ever been a church on the planet that has ever seen itself in opposition to the word of God.
John 5 says Jesus broke the Sabbath. God said that, too.

If JESUS broke the Sabbath commandment he would be guilty of sin. If JESUS sinned we are all lost because he would not be sinless and a sinner like you and me. Gods Word says that JESUS was sinless *1 Peter 2:22; Hebrews 4:15; 1 John 3:5. Think it through dear friend. JESUS was the creator of the Sabbath that he made for all mankind *Mark 2:27-28. John 5 does not say JESUS broke the Sabbath. It says the JEWS accused him of breaking the Sabbath because of their false interpretation of the Sabbath and man-made laws that were put in place around the Sabbath. JESUS taught us that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day in Matthew 12:1-12 which is what he did in healing the sick.

Hope this helps.

mmksparbud · Dec 12, 2020

section9+1 said:
It is between us and God. And I will reject the SDA views. They do not fit my understanding of scripture so why should I give them any accounting? I've heard them all before. You do not just pass on info. You insist upon requiring everyone to adopt what you believe and you insist upon applying your understanding onto the rest of us. And when we won't have it, you wave God at us. Sorry, but you offer a lesser gospel than what I already have. Why should I trade more for less?

You are free to do so. I offer no gospel, I offer the scriptures. They speak for themselves---as you do. If you wish to make them say something other than what they say--it's your choice. No one is holding a gun to your head. I can not insist on anyone doing what I believe. You, however, are insisting that I do as you think. I can only do what the scriptures say, I refuse to do what men think I should do. As I've said many times. Not one person will ever answer to me or anyone else. We all will have to stand before God and we stand alone. We can only stand on scripture. We will take the same scriptures with us. I will stand on the very same ones as you will. It is God that makes the final decision and what everybody else thinks will hold no weight with God. It is---it is written that matters. Same as Jesus said.

nolidad · Dec 12, 2020

mmksparbud said:
I don't need to. I know them. They were not all instituted by God, but by the Rabbi's. God wrote the 10 on stone with His own finger and placed them inside the ark. They are permanent and forever. The rest were dictated by God, written by Moses on parchment and placed outside the ark. They were temporary. You are free to believe what you want.

But yet you write like the dietary laws are just as permanent, and wish to denigrate those who do not adhere to teh dietary laws given to Moses by God but placed outside the Ark.

mmksparbud · Dec 12, 2020

nolidad said:
But yet you write like the dietary laws are just as permanent, and wish to denigrate those who do not adhere to teh dietary laws given to Moses by God but placed outside the Ark.

I have denigrated no one. I explain my stand. I do as Jesus commanded--Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations," I speak what scripture says and answer question on my believes. I can do nothing else. I most certainly can not refrain from speaking what the scriptures say and what Jesus commanded us to say to all. Believe, however, is a personal; choice. I can not make anyone believe and not even God forces anyone to believe. We have a health message to offer the world. One that has been proven over and over by much research to stand the test of time. Study after study has stated the SDA lifestyle leads to greater health and longer lives. Why should we not speak of it and help those who wish to follow? God made us, He knows what is best for our health. He wants us to live long and happy lives. Why should we deprive those who do wish to live longer healthier lives by hiding what we have found in His word? We do as we have been commanded to do--go and teach. We do not go and shoot those who choose to ignore. As with Trump---we present the facts and the truth we found in his word---but, just as Trump ignores the truth---you are free to ignore it also. It has not altered the facts---it is what it is!

HIM · Dec 12, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
I think this is the key point here. It is God's Word and God's Word is for everyone. That said I am quite amazed to be honest reading this thread and seeing so many people of different faiths reading the bible for themselves agreeing with what God says. This has been quite surprising to me to be honest. Thanks for sharing HIM.

God bless

I know this is not what you meant but I like the sound of that LoveGodsWord. "Thanks for sharing HIM". HIM being GOD that is. For it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. God is good.

I also would like to thank you for your time and commitment friend.

Happy Sabbath

section9+1 · Dec 12, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
If JESUS broke the Sabbath commandment he would be guilty of sin. If JESUS sinned we are all lost because he would not be sinless and a sinner like you and me. Gods Word says that JESUS was sinless *1 Peter 2:22; Hebrews 4:15; 1 John 3:5. Think it through dear friend. JESUS was the creator of the Sabbath that he made for all mankind *Mark 2:27-28. John 5 does not say JESUS broke the Sabbath. It says the JEWS accused him of breaking the Sabbath because of their false interpretation of the Sabbath and man-made laws that were put in place around the Sabbath. JESUS taught us that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day in Matthew 12:1-12 which is what he did in healing the sick.

Hope this helps.

It does not say that. It says the Jews were offended because he broke the Sabbath. It doesn't say they were wrong.

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